I wonder how much of Mumford is like Sandi was at Freo. The player wants to retire but the club keep persuading with 'we need you for one more year while xxxxx develops'.
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Stratton has been cooked for 24 months now not 12
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Shaun Burgoyne is well and truly cooked
You two (and a bunch of others) must have choked on your cornflakes after today's news.
Play it again, Shaun: Veteran Hawk signs on for 20th season
Hawthorn's Shaun Burgoyne will play on for a 20th and final AFL season in 2021
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And technically I think you are right. Not that he is anywhere near the worst player on the Hawks list, it's just that they are not in a Premiership window (or even a finals one), or even close to one. So all he is doing is preventing a young guy developing.
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The implication being he gets to 400 the retires?
Fair enough, hawks should be pushing as much younger talent into the team and they'll need some leadership
Fair enough, hawks should be pushing as much younger talent into the team and they'll need some leadership
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Convincingly? For 1 round by 1 vote (in round 7). A lot were in the mix that early.
They don't have enough young talent to justify pushing him out.
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Watching today‘s Carlton game reinforces my opinion that Murphy should have finished up last season. Surely Carlton don’t let him go around again
Watching today‘s Carlton game reinforces my opinion that Murphy should have finished up last season. Surely Carlton don’t let him go around again
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They don't have enough talent full stop.
Burgoyne is 38, there are 8 players between 30 and 33. You don't really win if you axe Burgoyne and keep Puopolo.
Eagles have got a few 30+ players as well, pretty good ones too. Just sayin'
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Eagles have got a few 30+ players as well, pretty good ones too. Just sayin'
We have 7 of them. But we have 11 wins so that's OK. We've done well draftng players to step in when Kennedy and Hurn retire, remains to be seen if our young mids are good enough. Yeo (27), Gaff (28), Kelly (26), Sheed (25) coincide with Darling (28), McGovern (28) etc. so not panic stations yet. Give it a few years when all those guys are 30+ and we may be seemlessly transitioning to a new senior core or looking like complete shit.
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I think Carlton will benefit when the career losers like Murphy and Simpson finish up. Not meaning to hate on those guys who have been good players for a long time but they both had long careers in ordinary sides. People talk about Burgoyne hanging around too long but he's won 2/3 of his near 400 games. Flags with two sides, big performances in finals etc. Murphy has won 40%, Simpson 37%. I mean Burgoyne has played in more wins than the other two who have played a combined 600+. Betts was at least part of a contending Adelaide side and has played 13 finals. Is Cripps (who has won just over 1/4 of his games so far) really going to learn what it takes to win from Murphy and Simpson?
I think you guys are solid for a few more years, especially in the mids. Was a little shocked when I saw that Nic Nat is 30, what the?!?!
I personally think people are writing off our list way too early, we still have a lot of talent. The back end of last year & start of this season proved that, we just haven't adapted to the hub life like some other teams. Time will tell I guess but I'm a little more buoyant than most over our prospects for next season.
I understand why he went on again, but Matt Suckling wasn’t terribly good yesterday.
Hurley Hooker Bellchambers and Zaharakis all need to be moved on.
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You two (and a bunch of others) must have choked on your cornflakes after today's news.
Play it again, Shaun: Veteran Hawk signs on for 20th season
Hawthorn's Shaun Burgoyne will play on for a 20th and final AFL season in 2021
And technically I think you are right. Not that he is anywhere near the worst player on the Hawks list, it's just that they are not in a Premiership window (or even a finals one), or even close to one. So all he is doing is preventing a young guy developing.
Might have to change the thread title to Players who have gone onone two threefour years too long.
See Luke Hodge and Brisbane.
At best you get a serviceable player and an on-field 'coach'.
At worst you get someone who can impart a lot of wisdom behind the scenes to the young fellas.
Gives a champion of the club a chance to hit the 400 games.
Still need to pay the cap and means we get to hide Burgoyne from the staff soft cap for a year.
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Genuine question as I haven't watched much of Hawthorn this year, is Burgoyne, even allowing for how average they've been, still best 22? if someone is easily in the best, say, 15-16 players in a side, the age doesn't matter AT ALL as far as I'm concerned. If they're on the fringe though, you have to balance out what you're going to get from him as an onfield coach with what you're missing out on by leaving out a 22-23 year old who would probably contribute the same as a player, with the bonus that he's going to get better.
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Heart says he's best 22. Head says he's on the outer.
Depends which Burgoyne shows up though. His played some genuinely good games this season and some very poor ones. In any case, we lack quality depth as is.
I don't think Burgoyne rotating through and taking 10 games off a speculative best 22 player is going to make or break our rebuild. We've got nothing else to put our cap towards so I'm not averse to giving our champion a decent send off (hopefully in front of a crowd).
Heppell too.
Id fogotten about him.
If not for his hair then he is very forgettable.
Very vanilla player.
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