Draft Expert PMBangers' (and ‘friends’) 2022 Draft Board

[Smythe]

Mitchell Lewis worked out well, if there's a Franklin Roughead or Hodge Gunstan running around that'd be great

Imagine the uproar if they were able to get that Hudson Dunstall kid with pick 18

 

[Crow till I die]

Can I direct the same question to you then and steal Bangers thread "assuming the AFL see's sense and changes the NGA rules to 20 instead 40 (40 basically made the whole thing redundant), would that be pretty big for Freo for Draper and to a lesser extent Bourne?"

I wish they would see sense and change it this year to just a top 20, the crows might benefit from that re Isaac Keeler. No chance he is there at pick 40 onwards imo but he might slip outside the top 20

 

[PMBangers]

I wish they would see sense and change it this year to just a top 20, the crows might benefit from that re Isaac Keeler. No chance he is there at pick 40 onwards imo but he might slip outside the top 20

Keeler might slide due to how many athletic talls there are and some if his areas of improvement, with VIC Footy back we'll see some real bolters there

 

[simonsaysso]

The NAB league is about to commence this coming weekend. Fingers crossed for an uninterrupted season so the kids can showcase their skills and give us footy tragics something to watch and talk about.
In talking/listening to talent managers, player managers, coaches and recruiters over the last month or so, I’ve compiled a list of players to watch this season in preparation for the 2022 draft. Practice matches, NAB testing day and general performance/attitude at training have helped to form this list. I’ve only listed 5 NAB clubs so if anyone out there can update us on the other clubs, that would be great.
Dandenong Stingrays: Mitch Szybkowski (MID)
Eastern Ranges: Lewis Hayes (BACK), Kai Windsor (MID)
Geelong Falcons: Jhye Clark (MID)
Oakleigh Chargers: George Wardlaw (MID), Riley Voulanas (FWD), Elijah Tsatas (MID), Matthew Jefferson (FWD), Luke Teal (BACK)
Sandringham Dragons: Will Ashcroft (MID), Harry Sheezel (FWD)

 

[Crow till I die]

Keeler might slide due to how many athletic talls there are and some if his areas of improvement, with VIC Footy back we'll see some real bolters there

could you see him falling outside the top 40 though?..would be great for the crows if he did but I just can't see it at this stage myself

 

[PMBangers]

The NAB league is about to commence this coming weekend. Fingers crossed for an uninterrupted season so the kids can showcase their skills and give us footy tragics something to watch and talk about.
In talking/listening to talent managers, player managers, coaches and recruiters over the last month or so, I’ve compiled a list of players to watch this season in preparation for the 2022 draft. Practice matches, NAB testing day and general performance/attitude at training have helped to form this list. I’ve only listed 5 NAB clubs so if anyone out there can update us on the other clubs, that would be great.
Dandenong Stingrays: Mitch Szybkowski (MID)
Eastern Ranges: Lewis Hayes (BACK), Kai Windsor (MID)
Geelong Falcons: Jhye Clark (MID)
Oakleigh Chargers: George Wardlaw (MID), Riley Voulanas (FWD), Elijah Tsatas (MID), Matthew Jefferson (FWD), Luke Teal (BACK)
Sandringham Dragons: Will Ashcroft (MID), Harry Sheezel (FWD)

O'Keeffe and Elliott have been dirty from oakleigh here

could you see him falling outside the top 40 though?..would be great for the crows if he did but I just can't see it at this stage myself

Yeah i could, KPPs that lack intensity/ aggression like Keeler can at times traditionally fall, Emerson Jeka is one example I can think of in recent times

 

[philthy05]

could you see him falling outside the top 40 though?..would be great for the crows if he did but I just can't see it at this stage myself

19d and 2g3b in the first game of the season says he won’t make it out of the first round.

Those are great numbers combined with size and athleticism that get clubs excited.

He will be there at your first if you want him, though crows could toss up between a couple of exciting kfs or an elite mid that offers something different to their current same same.

 

[philthy05]

O'Keeffe and Elliott have been dirty from oakleigh here

Yeah i could, KPPs that lack intensity/ aggression like Keeler can at times traditionally fall, Emerson Jeka is one example I can think of in recent times

I don’t think Emerson jeka was showing anything like keeler has tho right?

 

[eth-dog]

So odds of Munkara falling outside the 40 PMBangers? $150?

 

[Crow till I die]

19d and 2g3b in the first game of the season says he won’t make it out of the first round.

Those are great numbers combined with size and athleticism that get clubs excited.

He will be there at your first if you want him, though crows could toss up between a couple of exciting kfs or an elite mid that offers something different to their current same same.

has to be an elite mid at the 1st..the club is screaming out for one (Rachele might end up there but he is probably going to be more a forward)

 

[PMBangers]

I don’t think Emerson jeka was showing anything like keeler has tho right?

No clue tbh, just an example off the top of my head. I think Keeler and Scully are in a similar boat imo, both freaky athletes but can be prone to 'pick and choose' when to go. Players like that just give me Jeremy Finlayson vibes, and I be hoping to get something a bit better with high end picks at the very least, combine with that how good a lot of talls look heading into the season and its not out of the question that they slide.

So odds of Munkara falling outside the 40 PMBangers? $150?

I think he's more likely to go after 40 than not

 

[Turbocat]

PMBangers ...


A recent discussion on our board about RookieB players that will be playing for the Falcons ... makes me wonder if there is a list somewhere , a link for the kids who will be playing NABL who are tied to a club.. either thru FSon or a NGA arrangement etc that will qualify for Rookie B. Obviously interested in kids tied to Geelong but a total list for all clubs would be interesting... I just wonder how much of the comp playing is already committed to a club?

also... how do you feel the comp reverting to u18 will affect the draft this year?

 

[PMBangers]

A recent discussion on our board about RookieB players that will be playing for the Falcons ... makes me wonder if there is a list somewhere , a link for the kids who will be playing NABL who are tied to a club.. either thru FSon or a NGA arrangement etc that will qualify for Rookie B. Obviously interested in kids tied to Geelong but a total list for all clubs would be interesting... I just wonder how much of the comp playing is already committed to a club?

Don't fully understand this, are you asking for a list of NGA, Father-son and CAT B players in the NAB League? Best to ask on club boards as it's not really something I track too heavily unless the kids are A) linked to the GIANTS or b) draftable

also... how do you feel the comp reverting to u18 will affect the draft this year?

Without any stats to back this up, I don't think we saw a massive increase in mature aged draftees last year with the U19s system, so I don't see it playing too much of an effect if at all. I'm pretty happy it's back to U18s though, gives kids in their draft year a better chance at exposure and will allow us to see the 2023 eligible kids a lot sooner/ more often

 

[Turbocat]

Don't fully understand this, are you asking for a list of NGA, Father-son and CAT B players in the NAB League? Best to ask on club boards as it's not really something I track too heavily unless the kids are A) linked to the GIANTS or b) draftable


Without any stats to back this up, I don't think we saw a massive increase in mature aged draftees last year with the U19s system, so I don't see it playing too much of an effect if at all. I'm pretty happy it's back to U18s though, gives kids in their draft year a better chance at exposure and will allow us to see the 2023 eligible kids a lot sooner/ more often

Just to try to clarrify.. I was wondering if you knew of a list...or a link to a list of the players in nabl already tied to each club thru Fson or nga etc. Thanks anyway.

Im pretty sure eventually the afl website will have the names..probably nearer the draft.

 

[godogs2020]

Bit late, but watched eastern v western on Sunday, Had a rough idea of players to look out for. Watson’s separation and Ariel ability was very impressive. Ended the day with 5 goals or so. Including a torp on the final siren from 60 out.

Kai Windsor, Zac Greeves were good through the mid. Lachie Reidy impressed off half back.

For Western, Matthew Payne was going pound for pound with Watson also kicking 4 or 5 and setting up another couple, his speed to get separation from defender and general position inside forward 50 was very impressive.

 

[PMBangers]

Just to try to clarrify.. I was wondering if you knew of a list...or a link to a list of the players in nabl already tied to each club thru Fson or nga etc. Thanks anyway.

Im pretty sure eventually the afl website will have the names..probably nearer the draft.

I think Twomey released an article last week that had all the players with AFL relations last week? It'll be in the 2022 Geheral discussion thread. They usually release an NGA list after a couple of NAB League rounds

 

[PMBangers]

Whilst I appreciate the practise game write ups, they'd be better served in the general draft discussion thread, more eyes on that place and I've already seen the praccys

 

[briztoon]

PMBangers ...


A recent discussion on our board about RookieB players that will be playing for the Falcons ... makes me wonder if there is a list somewhere , a link for the kids who will be playing NABL who are tied to a club.. either thru FSon or a NGA arrangement etc that will qualify for Rookie B. Obviously interested in kids tied to Geelong but a total list for all clubs would be interesting... I just wonder how much of the comp playing is already committed to a club?

also... how do you feel the comp reverting to u18 will affect the draft this year?

Not quite sure what you are asking, but I can explain how Category B Rookie work.

If you are tied to a club as a Father Son, Northern Academy or NGA, and the your club nominates you pre draft for either the National Draft or the Rookie Draft, you can automatically be placed on the Rookie list as a Cat B between the end of the National Draft and Beginning of the Rookie Draft by your club, provided your club has enough Cat B rookie spots available.

That doesn’t mean every nominated kid will be picked up as a Cat B rookie though.

As far as I’m aware, clubs can only have a maximum of 3 Cat B rookies.

A couple of examples.

In 2019 we nominated Father Son Lachie Johnson as a potential Rookie list draftee. Meaning if he was selected in the national draft, we couldn’t match the bid. If we wasn’t selected in the National draft, we were going to rookie list him as a cat b rookie. Essendon drafted him in the national draft.

In 2020 we nominated several academy players for the National Draft. None were bid on, and we chose to only pick up Carter Michael as a cat b rookie selection.

Someone does a pretty good job of putting every draft on Wikipedia, so you can check out the Cat B selections for any draft.

 

[eth-dog]

Not quite sure what you are asking, but I can explain how Category B Rookie work.

If you are tied to a club as a Father Son, Northern Academy or NGA, and the your club nominates you pre draft for either the National Draft or the Rookie Draft, you can automatically be placed on the Rookie list as a Cat B between the end of the National Draft and Beginning of the Rookie Draft by your club, provided your club has enough Cat B rookie spots available.

That doesn’t mean every nominated kid will be picked up as a Cat B rookie though.

As far as I’m aware, clubs can only have a maximum of 3 Cat B rookies.

A couple of examples.

In 2019 we nominated Father Son Lachie Johnson as a potential Rookie list draftee. Meaning if he was selected in the national draft, we couldn’t match the bid. If we wasn’t selected in the National draft, we were going to rookie list him as a cat b rookie. Essendon drafted him in the national draft.

In 2020 we nominated several academy players for the National Draft. None were bid on, and we chose to only pick up Carter Michael as a cat b rookie selection.

Someone does a pretty good job of putting every draft on Wikipedia, so you can check out the Cat B selections for any draft.

Father sons can't. Father Sons become Category A rookies (with the exception of Tom Hird, who qualified by not being registered as a player for 3 years)

 

[Turbocat]

Not quite sure what you are asking, but I can explain how Category B Rookie work.

If you are tied to a club as a Father Son, Northern Academy or NGA, and the your club nominates you pre draft for either the National Draft or the Rookie Draft, you can automatically be placed on the Rookie list as a Cat B between the end of the National Draft and Beginning of the Rookie Draft by your club, provided your club has enough Cat B rookie spots available.

That doesn’t mean every nominated kid will be picked up as a Cat B rookie though.

As far as I’m aware, clubs can only have a maximum of 3 Cat B rookies.

A couple of examples.

In 2019 we nominated Father Son Lachie Johnson as a potential Rookie list draftee. Meaning if he was selected in the national draft, we couldn’t match the bid. If we wasn’t selected in the National draft, we were going to rookie list him as a cat b rookie. Essendon drafted him in the national draft.

In 2020 we nominated several academy players for the National Draft. None were bid on, and we chose to only pick up Carter Michael as a cat b rookie selection.

Someone does a pretty good job of putting every draft on Wikipedia, so you can check out the Cat B selections for any draft.

Thanks for your input..

The discussion came from an observation about a kid playing for the Falcons... who a poster thought qualified as a Rookie B for Geelong. There seems a convolution of qualification criteria.. For Geelong Schelensog did qualify as Rookie B...but another player Idun did not... although it was thought he might for a while.

As I understood it.. To qualif as a Rookie B id think the kid would need to slip into that spot of born outside Aus or not having played for three years. The later probably doesn't applie to a kid playing NABL. Id guess it also becomes more sticky when academies come into it. I think we let FSon Simpson slide to Rookie A in a similar fashion to what you described.

Whetehr the kid is FSon and NGA and considered an early pick and would get drafted or not... I was just wonder how many kids already have a predetermined link to afl clubs. At the champs there always seems a strong number of players with allegiances playing.

Of course they may not come up to standard and the club doesnt draft them.. or they may become a R1 prospect.

 

[Davo-27]

Thanks for your input..

The discussion came from an observation about a kid playing for the Falcons... who a poster thought qualified as a Rookie B for Geelong. There seems a convolution of qualification criteria.. For Geelong Schelensog did qualify as Rookie B...but another player Idun did not... although it was thought he might for a while.

As I understood it.. To qualif as a Rookie B id think the kid would need to slip into that spot of born outside Aus or not having played for three years. The later probably doesn't applie to a kid playing NABL. Id guess it also becomes more sticky when academies come into it. I think we let FSon Simpson slide to Rookie A in a similar fashion to what you described.

Whetehr the kid is FSon and NGA and considered an early pick and would get drafted or not... I was just wonder how many kids already have a predetermined link to afl clubs. At the champs there always seems a strong number of players with allegiances playing.

Of course they may not come up to standard and the club doesnt draft them.. or they may become a R1 prospect.

Cat B rookies come from 3 places, 1. The Academies (NGA and Northern Academies) players that dont get drafted in the National Draft, if they dont get bid on and your club wants them after the draft they can place them on the cat b rookie list, 2. Players signed from overseas (Irish and US free agents usually)
3. ex-sportsmen from other sports, like Basketball and Cricket, examples are Hugh Greenwood, Alex Keath ect

if a player is in a NAB League Team and isnt in an Academy they cant be placed in the cat b rookie system

 

[briztoon]

Thanks for your input..

The discussion came from an observation about a kid playing for the Falcons... who a poster thought qualified as a Rookie B for Geelong. There seems a convolution of qualification criteria.. For Geelong Schelensog did qualify as Rookie B...but another player Idun did not... although it was thought he might for a while.

As I understood it.. To qualif as a Rookie B id think the kid would need to slip into that spot of born outside Aus or not having played for three years. The later probably doesn't applie to a kid playing NABL. Id guess it also becomes more sticky when academies come into it. I think we let FSon Simpson slide to Rookie A in a similar fashion to what you described.

Whetehr the kid is FSon and NGA and considered an early pick and would get drafted or not... I was just wonder how many kids already have a predetermined link to afl clubs. At the champs there always seems a strong number of players with allegiances playing.

Of course they may not come up to standard and the club doesnt draft them.. or they may become a R1 prospect.

Just going to address the bolded.

Last year, it looked like there were some 100+ odd kids who qualified as NGA kids for the Vic clubs.

My understanding is that the VIC clubs have done a LOT of research on talented kids family backgrounds, looking for the kids that might qualify as NGA kids, giving them first crack at such kids.

If 4 of these kids make the VIC Metro or Country teams, that’s about 8% of the kids selected.

But they are less than 4% out of all the kids in Vic NGA’s.

You’re Tarryn Thomas or JUH, still only represent a very small minority of NGA kids, less than 1% of the total nga pool over this period.


In regards to Father Sons we’re looking at a different dynamic.

I believe a lot of people forget that AFL is only a national sport and league, not a international sport, played by half the population of a small country.

The majority of players really wouldn’t qualify as National level athletes of world sport.

Father Son kids grow up with the sport, often have extra advantages and exposure to the sport, and often times have inherited genetics, compared to other kids.

 

[Turbocat]

Cat B rookies come from 3 places, 1. The Academies (NGA and Northern Academies) players that dont get drafted in the National Draft, if they dont get bid on and your club wants them after the draft they can place them on the cat b rookie list, 2. Players signed from overseas (Irish and US free agents usually)
3. ex-sportsmen from other sports, like Basketball and Cricket, examples are Hugh Greenwood, Alex Keath ect

if a player is in a NAB League Team and isnt in an Academy they cant be placed in the cat b rookie system

Thanks for that.... just to clarrify. When you use the term academies... are you talking about the Vic clubs ..or just northern clubs. The example I used was Schelensog for Geelong who qualified for NGA to Geelong then was listed as Rookie B... (as you say..probably no bid). The qualification for NGA seems a bit like FA comp.. very fluid.

 

[PMBangers]

Good weekend of the opening round for NAB League, my notes on Dande v Eastern and Sandy v Oakleigh will be up on rookiemecentral later in the week (will post here too), but of the other games I managed to see snippets of I was really impressed with Jason Gillbee (Bendigo), Aaron Cadman (GWV) and Darcy Edmends (Northern). Cadman in particular looked really improved from last season with a move from the wing to be the focal point of the Rebels attack. Gillbee was mostly a winger last year but looked comfortable woth his inside switch and Edmends didn't waste a kick on the wing

 

[eth-dog]

Good weekend of the opening round for NAB League, my notes on Dande v Eastern and Sandy v Oakleigh will be up on rookiemecentral later in the week (will post here too), but of the other games I managed to see snippets of I was really impressed with Jason Gillbee (Bendigo), Aaron Cadman (GWV) and Darcy Edmends (Northern). Cadman in particular looked really improved from last season with a move from the wing to be the focal point of the Rebels attack. Gillbee was mostly a winger last year but looked comfortable woth his inside switch and Edmends didn't waste a kick on the wing

That spelling of Edmends is triggering me