Roast Port Adelaide's failure to do a HIA assessment on Aliir - [AFL confirms both players FAILED concussion tests on Monday]

[perplexed]

The AFL have set the rules, Port has clearly broken them. They now need to come down very hard to show they are following through with their duty of care. Good idea making sure the punishment is so big that no one does it again.

Punishment can wait. The more pressing thing is to protect the players. Port shouldn't play another game with the same clowns doing the match day assessments. The AFL need to step in and take over this role from them.

 

[ibd77]

What amazes me is the lack of talk about Ken Hinkley in this incident. He was on the bench at ground level observing all this but no one in the media dares talk about his duty of care. Ken is just a culpable as the doctor in this situation. If you want to blame the on field playing culture at PAFC, then the buck stops with Ken.

 

[DesertRoo]

What amazes me is the lack of talk about Ken Hinkley in this incident. He was on the bench at ground level observing all this but no one in the media dares talk about his duty of care. Ken is just a culpable as the doctor in this situation. If you want to blame the on field playing culture at PAFC, then the buck stops with Ken.

The bucks stops with your pres for foresting a culture like this, the whole place needs to be gutted.

 

[chazwazza]

What amazes me is the lack of talk about Ken Hinkley in this incident. He was on the bench at ground level observing all this but no one in the media dares talk about his duty of care. Ken is just a culpable as the doctor in this situation. If you want to blame the on field playing culture at PAFC, then the buck stops with Ken.

You’re not going to get rid of him that easily.

 

[perplexed]

What amazes me is the lack of talk about Ken Hinkley in this incident. He was on the bench at ground level observing all this but no one in the media dares talk about his duty of care. Ken is just a culpable as the doctor in this situation. If you want to blame the on field playing culture at PAFC, then the buck stops with Ken.

Oh dear. You guys and Ken. Coaches should stay completely away from doing medical assessments, what are you on about?

 

[Elixuh]

What amazes me is the lack of talk about Ken Hinkley in this incident. He was on the bench at ground level observing all this but no one in the media dares talk about his duty of care. Ken is just a culpable as the doctor in this situation. If you want to blame the on field playing culture at PAFC, then the buck stops with Ken.

Ken is many things - a great coach, tactician and father - but he isn’t a medical doctor. He isn’t involved or culpable.

Nuffy take.

 

[Satan]

Ken is many things - a great coach, tactician and father - but he isn’t a medical doctor. He isn’t involved or culpable.

Nuffy take.

kenny gave his observations of alir during the presser, not for him to give a medical opinion

 

[Elixuh]

kenny gave his observations of alir during the presser, not for him to give a medical opinion

Kenny is a good man. He can make observations post match.

 

[Purple Suit]

Oh dear. You guys and Ken. Coaches should stay completely away from doing medical assessments, what are you on about?

The only way to have a robust system is to put everyone in the gun if they contribute to harm player safety.

The transport industry use to just bust the truck driver for driving fast or 18 hours a day. Now it’s everyone in the loop, including the boss, scheduler and customer threatening all sorts of things if magic doesn’t happen. When there is an accident, they investigate and anyone in the chain of command exerting excess pressure is culpable.

The same thing needs to be with this issue. If Ken is telling the doctor that he needs him on or we lose / you lose your job then he is part of the problem.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I’m a bit surprised you don’t know your clubs history on concussions and head knocks, on game day supporters watch high contact/look for frees pretty closely, surely you have some sort of memory bank of stuff like this….you seem very invested with the topic and this incident. All of a sudden you’re surprised there’s other incidents….shock horror!

Meanwhile, nearly every other poster on this thread has a very clear sense of Port having a history of poor concussion management or flouting the rules around this.

There is a chance that you don’t follow all things AFL as much as others…(as I don’t either) and fair enough but it seems strange that you have no awareness of some of the prior incidents while posting so much at the moment.

Im not surprised you dont recognise sarcasm.

 

[apollo_creed]

Port Adelaide have been caught out blatantly here. The lying attempted defusement is comical.
The most comical thing though is that they thought they would actually get away with it. Nope.

Think Port fans are right on the money re: Davies and Hinkley. Wouldn't want either of them anywhere near my club.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Has the ladder been adjusted yet?

Surely Port out of the 8 by the weekend.

 

[My_Username]

Punishment can wait. The more pressing thing is to protect the players. Port shouldn't play another game with the same clowns doing the match day assessments. The AFL need to step in and take over this role from them.

Not sure how well that'd work.

As I understand it, the relationship between doctor and patient is important here. The player being relaxed and familiar with the doctor will effect results, as will the doctor knowing the patient's 'usual' patterns (e.g. if it was me, I'd quite possibly crack a bad joke, because that's part of how I handle stressful situations).

So while your idea might be 'right', it wouldn't really be practical.

For now, I think informing the club/doctor that all decisions until the end of the year will be reviewed (with an implied '**** up again and we'll come down on you like a tonne of bricks'), and that the process as a whole will be looked at in the off season is most likely the best option.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Oh dear. You guys and Ken. Coaches should stay completely away from doing medical assessments, what are you on about?

Ken could have said hes not going back on, as Coach thats his prerogative, theres no rule that says if the Doc clears him he must be allowed out.

What youve said highlights the hypocrisy of you lot, youre not concerned about player welfare at all, you just want the club to suffer for your own enjoyment but as you view Ken as a hinderence to our prospects, he can stay.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

The AFL have set the rules, Port has clearly broken them. They now need to come down very hard to show they are following through with their duty of care. Good idea making sure the punishment is so big that no one does it again.

So youre walking down the road and pass a cop eating donuts, you step off the footpath on a red man with a truck approaching, the cop just keeps eating donuts as although he has authority to police the exact rule youre breaking, he lets you get run over by the truck because the possible outcome is less important than intervening.

**** me, this is bay level mentality now.

 

[Mich0]

Deliberately returned to the field. Wonder how deep this runs.

Absolutely sickening of Port Adelaide. Draft picks, premiership points should all be on the table.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Ken could have said hes not going back on, as Coach thats his prerogative, theres no rule that says if the Doc clears him he must be allowed out.

What youve said highlights the hypocrisy of you lot, youre not concerned about player welfare at all, you just want the club to suffer for your own enjoyment but as you view Ken as a hinderence to our prospects, he can stay.

There are rules that say coaches cannot overrule doctors and can't get involved in the decision making process over injuries/concussion, etc.

If you want to pin it all on Ken then provide some evidence.

 

[PowerBaz]

Sack Ken.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

There are rules that say coaches cannot overrule doctors and can't get involved in the decision making process over injuries/concussion, etc.

If you want to pin it all on Ken then provide some evidence.

Lol, he doesnt have to overrule the Doc, he just says youre not going back on, and use any reasoning he likes.
Players get dragged all the time, Coaches dont get reprimanded for doing so.

Next..

 

[perplexed]

Ken could have said hes not going back on, as Coach thats his prerogative, theres no rule that says if the Doc clears him he must be allowed out.

What youve said highlights the hypocrisy of you lot, youre not concerned about player welfare at all, you just want the club to suffer for your own enjoyment but as you view Ken as a hinderence to our prospects, he can stay.

What absolute nonsense. I like Ken, so do your players. I think he has done really well with what he has to work with.

The coach shouldn't be overruling his medical team. During a game he should be concentrating on coaching and taking the advice of the doctor. He shouldn't be trying to take over their role.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Lol, he doesnt have to overrule the Doc, he just says youre not going back on, and use any reasoning he likes.
Players get dragged all the time, Coaches dont get reprimanded for doing so.

Must be a Port Adelaide thing then. At every other club in the league the doctors and coaches are independent of one another and the medicos have final say on player welfare.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Sack Ken.

Lol, they wont sack Ken, he keeps us competetive without ultimate success, a revenue stream from hopeful supporters without sharing the spoils is where the AFL want us.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Still think the weirdest and most untouched aspect of this is the concept of how they thought they could get away with it.

Adrenaline makes you do dumb things its fair to say

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Must be a Port Adelaide thing then. At every other club in the league the doctors and coaches are independent of one another and the medicos have final say on player welfare.

The coach also has a duty of care to the people he interacts with everyday, as a human being with sympathy, empathy, morals, even as simple as just liking a bloke, you dont have to put them in harms way just because you can.
He can look at the same footage youre all outraged over and say, by the Docs word youre good to go but I think you wont play the role we need today, sit down.

Now, show us the rule that says a coach MUST. send a player back out if hes been deemed fit.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

What absolute nonsense. I like Ken, so do your players. I think he has done really well with what he has to work with.

The coach shouldn't be overruling his medical team. During a game he should be concentrating on coaching and taking the advice of the doctor. He shouldn't be trying to take over their role.

Lol, ok, he can just be the coach and make coaching calls.
Aliir, sit down, Tex is giving you a bath.

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