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Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood
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Seriously, Port Power can GTFOH.
North Melbourne were forced by the VFA to change jumper cause it was Geelongs.
Then in 1925 when they joined the VFL - North had to change their jumper because it was the Carlton jumper.
It is in the history of Victorian football to make teams change their uniform and colours if there is a clash. Exactly why Port were made too when they joined in 1990s.
As if West Coast didn’t want to wear black and gold. They settled for blue and gold - iconic. They understood Richmond had that history.
Port and their fans fail to understand in Victoria(the big league) there was only one black and white team. And funny enough, that team took the fact they were the only Black and White team seriously as ****.
imagine I’d Collingwood wanted to join the SANFL?? Port Adelaide Magpies would tell em to go **** themselves. And rightfully so.
The precedent is there, if north had to change because they had a jumper that clashed with Carlton in 1925 - then Port has to change too
Not to mention Port copied Collingwood of course
North Melbourne were forced by the VFA to change jumper cause it was Geelongs.
Then in 1925 when they joined the VFL - North had to change their jumper because it was the Carlton jumper.
It is in the history of Victorian football to make teams change their uniform and colours if there is a clash. Exactly why Port were made too when they joined in 1990s.
As if West Coast didn’t want to wear black and gold. They settled for blue and gold - iconic. They understood Richmond had that history.
Port and their fans fail to understand in Victoria(the big league) there was only one black and white team. And funny enough, that team took the fact they were the only Black and White team seriously as ****.
imagine I’d Collingwood wanted to join the SANFL?? Port Adelaide Magpies would tell em to go **** themselves. And rightfully so.
The precedent is there, if north had to change because they had a jumper that clashed with Carlton in 1925 - then Port has to change too
Not to mention Port copied Collingwood of course
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Notably, they didn't make them change colours, only design. They went from hoops to stripes.
I'd expect Port would have objected and the SANFL would have allowed Collingwood to be Collingwood for the good of the game.
What's the point in admitting a club like Collingwood to the league if you arent going to let them be Collingwood?
No clash jumpers in 1925. We're in an era where similar jumpers simply doesn't matter, because every club has a clash strip. They'd also worn the Carlton style jumper for 3 years, not 95.
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Incorrect.
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All good to use other sports leagues in the world, but those sports leagues also:
- have substantially more eyeballs and sponsorship opportunities available to them;
- administered by either a pyramid league system featuring promotion to leagues above or relegation to leagues below, or a grouping system of leagues, conferences and divisions.
No doubt several other differences between our humble leagues in Australia and overseas too. One I think you may have brought up is that the Collingwood uniform is associated with officials in North America.
All well to espouse what happens in other leagues in the world on how they administer a matter which suits your narrative, but those leagues also operate with different protocols and tradition of administration in other areas of their competitions, and also, a different environment to the AFL. Should the AFL adopt such systems as well?
Let's give Norwood a chance to compete in the AFL - perhaps they can be promoted in the same season Port get relegated and they battle out it the lower tier for a season or more? Or let's split the comp into divisions or conferences, and prevent 9 teams from competing in a GF against each other?
You can go back to examples of clubs in the VFA being requested to amend their uniform to avoid similarities to existing VFL clubs.
As I've mentioned many times, I can't see an issue with Port using the SANFL uniform in their regular season home showdown each year. But for all the talk that it's just for one game a season, Collingwood believe there's a greater plan for more. Honestly, I don't blame them. Just look at the AFL uniform now.
Port Adelaide had a great uniform a few seasons ago. They've bastardised it with the white number panel again which the supporters survey suggested be used permanently to bring the singlet more in-line with the SANFL version. The Vs weren't originally designed with that, and it's aesthetically shit particularly with black shorts.
Have an AFL uniform, go back to the black number panel, and keep anything to do with the SANFL singlet on alternate uniforms (like the silver) or the SANFL singlet. It's not fooling anyone.
If we had a relegation and promotion system like soccer and Port won promotion then they would be still wearing black and white . Simple
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So why did you pay the SANFL $6.985 million in 2014 if you were not a sub-licensee and they didn’t hold the AFL license?
So the AFL should have knocked back Port for their own good ? “ Because you can’t be the football club you want or were we feel it’s in your best interest that you stay in SANFL because there is no point in you joining “
Do you think it’s time for a National Sorry Day for Port or still too early?
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Thats not the incorrect bit.
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The A League is neither bigger than the AFL nor does it have a promotion/relegation system and Melbourne City adopting sky blue had zero impact on Sydney FC.
Super Rugby even in its covid reduced format has 2 teams in blue with yellow trim, and when including the South African teams had heaps of overlapping colours.
It works for bigger sports, it works for smaller sports. It works for promotion/relegation leagues, it works for closed leagues. But for some reason it won't work in the AFL?
Okay, what about the multiple examples in the closed North American leagues of teams wearing the same colours?
Bulls/Blazers/Raptors
Maple Leafs/Lightning
Patriots/Texans
Or closer to home, the A League, in which a 2nd team adopted sky blue against the wishes of the 1st club, and the world kept turning for everyone.
I'm saying that in a sport where most clubs are 120+ years old, letting clubs celebrate their traditions makes the entire league stronger, not weaker. If Collingwood had come to the SANFL, the should have been allowed to be Collingwood in their most famous form. Otherwise why give them the spot?
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This. This. 1000x this.
All the bluster and the barbs thrown in all directions, ignores this fundamental issue, for all clubs.
The AFL loves to claim things like the Queens Birthday Coll v Melb guarantee, or the Anzac Day Coll v Ess guarantee, or the Carl v Rich Season Opener guarantee - as "tradition". All three are relatively recent compared to the history of the competition.
But for some reason, 'tradition" is not a reason to allow for Port Adelaide. Now its about Collingwood.
To me it is truly bewildering that this is even an issue. Why should it matter to anyone what we did in 1990, and 1997, and 2005 and 2017. This guernsey is in the history of our club. A central part. If we wish to celebrate it now rather than before, why does it matter? People use the phrase "but you agreed!!! You can't change your mind.", forgetting the 100,000 times every club and the AFL have changed understandings and agreements and contracts and rules and commercial arrangements, because they asked, and did change.
I'm certain no-one in the AFL asked Port Adelaide before they signed on to the MCG GF for another 40 years. Apparently those decisions can be taken by the AFL against the wishes of member clubs, taking away the opportunity to host a GF in their home state. What a debacle really.
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Its an example...... if everyone opposed wants to rabbit on about contracts.....
They thought you could handle it. You came across as a club that could handle it. You seem to be a handling it .Got a nice song going at the start . But now it seems you can’t .. you’re somehow managed to allow a bitter Collingwood come into your life .
Is this just a feel good biggest dick competition in Adelaide once a year?
Are the Crows going to let you wear it for their home game ?
I watch Port now and think that they aren’t happy who they are .
My son commented that the song at the start looked better when everyone had the same scarf.
What else can I tell you ..Collingwood aren’t going to budge on anything black and white while they are going crap.
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Because Collingwood's brand is very very weak obviously.
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Most Port supporters I speak to don't love that the club is pushing for only showdowns. I want to wear our guernsey against Richmond, Melbourne, Essendon, clubs that have been around forever.
We're happy with who we are, we just want to be able to wear a guernsey that represents that. We're now secure enough financially that we can push for more.
We ultimately don't need Collingwood to budge, we need the AFL to budge. And eventually they will.
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Well, with all due respect, that settles it... a Richmond supporters' son's opinion is clearly more informed than the Port Adelaide supporter base who clearly need to be told what they should think.
If you could put forward a business model that showed wearing the prison bars meant millions of dollars and a membership of 80 thousand etc then maybe.
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Well the Prison Bars literally have been worth millions of dollars to us when we've been able to sell them at AFL level. They were the top selling piece of merch in the AFL last year by a long way.
You can also see that our membership and attendances have grown significantly in the last decade where we've been pushing our branding towards Port and away from Power.
It demonstrably engages our supporters like nothing else.
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If that were the case, the SANFL would have let Collingwood maintain their guernsey, colours, nickname and made us change. As if those campaigners would ever look after us or do us a favour!
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I guess "tradition" and "heritage" means $$$ in AFL terms - makes perfect sense really.
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