Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[Billys Back]

You mean like multimillion dollar international airline brands like JAL, Turkish Airlines, QANTAS and Air China?

you mean because they have the colour red? ahhhh.....ok

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

We also have a Super Netball league team, but we don't count their premierships as AFL premierships.

What super league premierships? The zero you have added to your AFL tally equals ...

YOUR AFL TALLY!!!

You do count them!

 

[parano1a]

You mean like multimillion dollar international airline brands like JAL, Turkish Airlines, QANTAS and Air China?

They primarily operate in different localised markets so it's not a good analogy.

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

you mean because they have the colour red? ahhhh.....ok

They are as similar is design and colourway as the jumpers being discussed.

I don’t doubt your opposition to the PAFC wearing a jumper that doesn’t clash with the opposition in a game that doesn’t have anything to do with your club - I just don’t think you have been able to truthfully articulate your position.

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

They primarily operate in different localised markets so it's not a good analogy.

What? They all operate in the international airline market and are both linear competitors and sometimes alliance partners. Just like teams in the AFL are linear competitors and league partners ...

And it wasn’t analogy - it was a direct response to a question ...

 

[sprockets]

Because we're going to keep asking and we only need one AFL CEO to say yes. Ultimately, this issue matters far more to Port than it does to any other club.

It's not up to the CEO it's up to the commission, which consists of 10 commissioners.

 

[Billys Back]

Because we're going to keep asking and we only need one AFL CEO to say yes. Ultimately, this issue matters far more to Port than it does to any other club.

That's why it will never happen. Port is a small club. It's just as important to Collingwood to remain the sole, and original AFL club with black and white stripes.

 

[Lagooner]

They are as similar is design and colourway as the jumpers being discussed.

I don’t doubt your opposition to the PAFC wearing a jumper that doesn’t clash with the opposition in a game that doesn’t have anything to do with your club - I just don’t think you have been able to truthfully articulate your position.

I wonder which car company holds the trademark for silver wings?

 

[El_Scorcho]

That's why it will never happen. Port is a small club. It's just as important to Collingwood to remain the sole, and original AFL club with black and white stripes.

It really isn't. If we were granted the right to wear the bars as a home guernsey, you guys would forget that this is an issue after about 2 minutes.

There is zero genuine skin in the game for Collingwood, which is why Port will eventually get what it wants.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I wonder which car company holds the trademark for silver wings?
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I wonder which Burger chain has trademarked red and yellow

 

[Billys Back]

I wonder which Burger chain has trademarked red and yellow

I can’t help it if you don’t get it.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

I wonder which Burger chain has trademarked red and yellow

I wonder which NFL teams have the trademarks out of these three






or these two



Don't get me started on the NBA.....

like these two

 

[Lagooner]

Found a couple more. They should all take each other to the Federer Court!

 

[El_Scorcho]

I can’t help it if you don’t get it.

You'd be about the 5th Collingwood supporter in this thread to make claims like this, nobody has even attempted to explain how it's different.

How are brands from all over the world able to share colours with their direct competitors without it affecting them?

How are major sports teams all over the world able to share colours with other teams in the same league without it affecting them?

What is different about the AFL and Collingwood?

 

[Ray Nolan]

This is from the PA constitution:

"4.5 "Club" shall mean the "Port Adelaide Football Club" as established by the Company in 1996;"

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/PortAdelaide/Links%20and%20Files/PAFCconstitution.pdf

We've been through this about half a dozen times in this thread already. As part of the entry conditions the club was required to change its corporate structure from an Incorporated Association to a Limited Company, which it did in 1996. How many more times are people going to cling to this red herring?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Port Adelaide premiership captain Brian Cunningham (1979-1980-1981 SANFL flags) was in the club's chief executive chair in 1995 when the decisions had to be made on how the AFL team would be presented in the national league.

"We did not want to lose black and white, not when it had been our club colours for such a long time," Cunningham recalled of the decisions made months after the SANFL awarded Port Adelaide the second AFL sub-licence placed in South Australia.

"Black and white had to be part of the mix.

"The AFL (accepting Collingwood's protest there could be just one team in black-and-white stripes) wanted us to come up with another colour not being used by any other club."

No red, navy or royal blue, no yellow, no green ... and no purple.

I wonder why the AFL instructed the new team to enter the AFL competition to not use these colours either??

Thank you for posting this clear, and unequivocal statement from the Port Adelaide Football Club CEO stating how important black and white was as part of the Port Adelaide Football Club's identity when it entered the AFL.

And the AFL agreed. Hardly matches the claims that Port was trying to move away from our heritage.

 

[Ray Nolan]

My brother in law is a power supporter. Back when Port Adelaide Power entered the comp he purchased a Foundation Member membership. Hefty price at the time, but I can’t remember how much. He still has the plaque on his wall.
My question is.. If he Was a “Foundation Member” wouldn’t this signify that he was a member when the club was “founded”.
(It wasn’t for any charitable or philantrophic foundation) But a football club membership.

I can also remember when the Port Magpies were seperate to the Power. Power attendances were small and getting smaller. Remember the tarps covering the seats at Football Park at Power home games. Many old Port Adelaide Magpie supporters didn’t want a bar of the Power and wantEd to follow Port Adelaide in the SANFL.

Former Port Magpies premiership captain Tim Ginever, was one of those that led the push for “One Club, one team“ or whatever the marketing moniker was.
It was a ploy to get all the old Port Magpies back on board the Power.

When was the 1870(?) used on the back of the guernseys? Im sure it wasn’t there at the inception of Port Power.
Im sure it was done around the time of the “One club, one team” push. History seems to have been rewritten so the Power fans can feel they have this heritage, and 30+ premierships.
Then the game day “Never tear us apart”. Who actually tore them apart? Not the SANFL or the AFL or any other club.

I bought a Foundation Membership as well. It was essentially a fund raiser for the club and separate from the actual season membership. The concept was you were a foundation supporter of the club's first AFL team, not a member of the foundation of the club. The only club founded at this time was the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club.

In terms of the decline in attendance, the number of Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club supporters that stuck with the VFL teams they had supported before our entry into the AFL numbered maybe 500 at most. I know quite a few of them, never understood it to be honest. One of the main problems the club suffered from was push away from the traditions of the club. It turned many Port people away because they were not happy with the sidelining of the club's traditions because everyone from outside was telling us we needed to broaden our basis to flourish. That was simply wrong and it nearly killed us.

1870 first appeared on the guernsey in 2009 from memory. This was prior to the One Club campaign that was fronted by Tim Ginever and George Fiacchi. It was the start of us returning to our roots and traditions.

Who tore us apart? The SANFL. The Port Adelaide Football Club intended to leave the SANFL lock and stock and barrel once granted an AFL sub-licence. The SANFL realising they were losing their golden goose insisted as a condition of the grant of the sub-licence on the establishment of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club carrying all the previous colours, logo and guernsey of the Port Adelaide Football Club. The SANFL then insisted that we could have no contact with this new club and shunted them off to train at Ethelton. Port Adelaide gave Port Adelaide Magpies $1,000,000.00 on their establishment and from then we were not allowed to have anything to do with them. The problems this division caused killed Port Adelaide Magpies and nearly killed Port Adelaide, the absorption of the PAMFC back into the PAFC has done a great deal to help cure many of the problems Port Adelaide faced.

 

[ibd77]

No red, navy or royal blue, no yellow, no green ... and no purple.

I wonder why the AFL instructed the new team to enter the AFL competition to not use these colours either??

Tassie?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

My brother in law is a power supporter. Back when Port Adelaide Power entered the comp he purchased a Foundation Member membership. Hefty price at the time, but I can’t remember how much. He still has the plaque on his wall.
My question is.. If he Was a “Foundation Member” wouldn’t this signify that he was a member when the club was “founded”.
(It wasn’t for any charitable or philantrophic foundation) But a football club membership.

I can also remember when the Port Magpies were seperate to the Power. Power attendances were small and getting smaller. Remember the tarps covering the seats at Football Park at Power home games. Many old Port Adelaide Magpie supporters didn’t want a bar of the Power and wantEd to follow Port Adelaide in the SANFL.

Former Port Magpies premiership captain Tim Ginever, was one of those that led the push for “One Club, one team“ or whatever the marketing moniker was.
It was a ploy to get all the old Port Magpies back on board the Power.

When was the 1870(?) used on the back of the guernseys? Im sure it wasn’t there at the inception of Port Power.
Im sure it was done around the time of the “One club, one team” push. History seems to have been rewritten so the Power fans can feel they have this heritage, and 30+ premierships.
Then the game day “Never tear us apart”. Who actually tore them apart? Not the SANFL or the AFL or any other club.

*yawn* The same repeated ignorant rubbish.

I mean I always though Eddie McGuire was just making up rubbish when he'd say people would mistake the Port jumper for Collingwood ones and buy the wrong ones. And I thought that the "oh were Collingwood playing?" comments were just trolls...

But the amount of people who are willing to believe the crap that comes out of Eddie's mouth... I think these people are genuinely that dumb that they cant tell the two tops apart.

 

[sprockets]

We've been through this about half a dozen times in this thread already. As part of the entry conditions the club was required to change its corporate structure from an Incorporated Association to a Limited Company, which it did in 1996. How many more times are people going to cling to this red herring?

But it's not a red herring. It's there in black and white. The Port Adelaide Football Club that plays in the AFL was established in 1996 as per your own constitution and no amount of bleating and public denial will change that.

 

[Roby]

What a joke the AFL is.

A racist club annoyed about another teams colours and yet tonight Geelong throw the ball to win for four points. Perspective.

 

[tigerwill]

*yawn* The same repeated ignorant rubbish.

I mean I always though Eddie McGuire was just making up rubbish when he'd say people would mistake the Port jumper for Collingwood ones and buy the wrong ones. And I thought that the "oh were Collingwood playing?" comments were just trolls...

But the amount of people who are willing to believe the crap that comes out of Eddie's mouth... I think these people are genuinely that dumb that they cant tell the two tops apart.

Dunno why you quoted my post.
You didn’t rebut anything I wrote and just wobbled on about Eddie Maguire. Nothing I wrote even made passing reference to him, or Collingwood.

 

[tigerwill]

I bought a Foundation Membership as well. It was essentially a fund raiser for the club and separate from the actual season membership. The concept was you were a foundation supporter of the club's first AFL team, not a member of the foundation of the club. The only club founded at this time was the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club.

In terms of the decline in attendance, the number of Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club supporters that stuck with the VFL teams they had supported before our entry into the AFL numbered maybe 500 at most. I know quite a few of them, never understood it to be honest. One of the main problems the club suffered from was push away from the traditions of the club. It turned many Port people away because they were not happy with the sidelining of the club's traditions because everyone from outside was telling us we needed to broaden our basis to flourish. That was simply wrong and it nearly killed us.

1870 first appeared on the guernsey in 2009 from memory. This was prior to the One Club campaign that was fronted by Tim Ginever and George Fiacchi. It was the start of us returning to our roots and traditions.

Who tore us apart? The SANFL. The Port Adelaide Football Club intended to leave the SANFL lock and stock and barrel once granted an AFL sub-licence. The SANFL realising they were losing their golden goose insisted as a condition of the grant of the sub-licence on the establishment of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club carrying all the previous colours, logo and guernsey of the Port Adelaide Football Club. The SANFL then insisted that we could have no contact with this new club and shunted them off to train at Ethelton. Port Adelaide gave Port Adelaide Magpies $1,000,000.00 on their establishment and from then we were not allowed to have anything to do with them. The problems this division caused killed Port Adelaide Magpies and nearly killed Port Adelaide, the absorption of the PAMFC back into the PAFC has done a great deal to help cure many of the problems Port Adelaide faced.

Thanks for clarifying a few points.
Most of what I wrote was accurate as far as I could remember them happening.

 

[bomberclifford]

But it's not a red herring. It's there in black and white. The Port Adelaide Football Club that plays in the AFL was established in 1996 as per your own constitution and no amount of bleating and public denial will change that.

Question: who won the second AFL license in SA in 1995?

 

[ibd77]

Question: who won the second AFL license in SA in 1995?

Can I have that in multiple choice please?