Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[Alex09]

I can't believe this conversation about whether or not the Port AFL is the original Port Adelaide keeps going around in circles. It doesn't matter who is right or wong since the Port Magpies and Port Power merged 10 years ago. On that basis alone Port Power is not being disingenuous to celebrate the history of the Port Magpies regardless.

 

[MaxPowa]

Collingwood's argument is without merit or precedent within the sporting world and doesn't pass the neutrals sniff test. Port Adelaide will be wearing prison bars within 5 years and there is nothing Collingwood will be able to do about it and rightly so.

 

[sprockets]

Question: who won the second AFL license in SA in 1995?

The SANFL won the first AFL licence in SA. Do the SANFL play in the AFL?

 

[Lagooner]

Question: who won the second AFL license in SA in 1995?

Port Power Est. 1996 drove a VL SS Group A with Energy Polarizer at 141 km/h and went back to 1990 to apply for the first licence. Their time travelling treachery was elite but ultimately they were unsuccessful so they took the Down Under Delorean to 1995 and won the second licence instead.

The SANFL won the first AFL licence in SA. Do the SANFL play in the AFL?

The SANFL aren’t a footy club though, are they?

 

[bomberclifford]

The SANFL won the first AFL licence in SA. Do the SANFL play in the AFL?

At the time, via the Crows, yes.

So who won the second license?

 

[Outback Footy]

You'd be about the 5th Collingwood supporter in this thread to make claims like this, nobody has even attempted to explain how it's different.

How are brands from all over the world able to share colours with their direct competitors without it affecting them?

How are major sports teams all over the world able to share colours with other teams in the same league without it affecting them?

What is different about the AFL and Collingwood?

The contract. It may not make sense but it stops you doing what I want.
End of story

 

[El_Scorcho]

The contract. It may not make sense but it stops you doing what I want.
End of story

That's not the point I'm making.

A regular argument against the bars is that another club wearing black and white will cause significant harm to Collingwood.

Obviously in just about every other major professional sports league in the world, there are teams that have the same colours as other teams, and it even happens with competing brands outside of sport. It doesn't seem to have any sort of negative effect on these teams.

So why is Collingwood and the AFL different?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The contract. It may not make sense but it stops you doing what I want.
End of story

Its not the end of the story though is it.

The campaign will ultimately be successful just as many grass roots campaigns have been successful on changing the status quo since time began.

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[The_Wookie]

The SANFL won the first AFL licence in SA. Do the SANFL play in the AFL?

By that reasoning the SANFL were awarded both licenses - the clubs were technically sub licenses before 2014.

 

[Ray Nolan]

But it's not a red herring. It's there in black and white. The Port Adelaide Football Club that plays in the AFL was established in 1996 as per your own constitution and no amount of bleating and public denial will change that.

Prior to 1996 the club's corporate entity was was "Port Adelaide Football Club Inc." and it had been that way for years. The conditions for entry into the AFL were that the club needed to change its corporate entity to a limited company. Accordingly, the club incorporated "Port Adelaide Football Club Ltd" in 1996 as required by the AFL. The club's corporate entity is just that. A new club wasn't formed for the AFL, simply a change in corporate entity as required for admission. A new club was formed to play in the SANFL - Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club.

 

[Billys Back]

Its not the end of the story though is it.

The campaign will ultimately be successful just as many grass roots campaigns have been successful on changing the status quo since time began.

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Although in this instance you are talking about a very small group in the AFL, who have an issue that no-one really cares about, other than a very large group in the AFL which is impacted.

And on top of this, Collingwood are likely to have a member challenge for the Presidency that will ensure it doesn’t happen.

 

[Billys Back]

That's not the point I'm making.

A regular argument against the bars is that another club wearing black and white will cause significant harm to Collingwood.

Obviously in just about every other major professional sports league in the world, there are teams that have the same colours as other teams, and it even happens with competing brands outside of sport. It doesn't seem to have any sort of negative effect on these teams.

So why is Collingwood and the AFL different?

But we are talking about same colours and stripes. Not just colours.
And you already had a jumper design with the teal colour when commenced in the AFL. So that is Port Power. You can’t change it after 25 years.

 

[Engimal v3]

That's not the point I'm making.

A regular argument against the bars is that another club wearing black and white will cause significant harm to Collingwood.

Obviously in just about every other major professional sports league in the world, there are teams that have the same colours as other teams, and it even happens with competing brands outside of sport. It doesn't seem to have any sort of negative effect on these teams.

So why is Collingwood and the AFL different?

I've noticed as well that other sports use bats, racquets, and boxing gloves. What makes the AFL think they shouldn't use these? Probably some bloody Vic bias or something!

 

[sprockets]

Prior to 1996 the club's corporate entity was was "Port Adelaide Football Club Inc." and it had been that way for years. The conditions for entry into the AFL were that the club needed to change its corporate entity to a limited company. Accordingly, the club incorporated "Port Adelaide Football Club Ltd" in 1996 as required by the AFL. The club's corporate entity is just that. A new club wasn't formed for the AFL, simply a change in corporate entity as required for admission. A new club was formed to play in the SANFL - Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club.

And the new Power team was almost completely different to the one that played in the SANFL. So what is the club if it's not the corporate entity and/or the team, neither of which ever wore the prison bars?

 

[sprockets]

At the time, via the Crows, yes.

So who won the second license?

Port Adelaide Football Club Inc.

 

[ibd77]

By that reasoning the SANFL were awarded both licenses - the clubs were technically sub licenses before 2014.

That is correct, the AFL offered licences to the SANFL which intern sublicenced Adelaide & Port Adelaide. However Port Adelaide had to pay the full amount for the AFL licence so the SANFL can hold it in "trust" and dictate terms of playing football in South Australia. Then we paid for the licence again in 2014 to remove the SANFL name. Not to mention how much the SANFL ripped us off with unrealistic stadium deals and then their constant complaints that we never returned a profit to feed the SANFL's football program as we needed that money to expand our own club.

In some way, we would have been better off going into the AFL in 1990 alone based at Adelaide Oval just purely based on controlling our own clubs destiny and financial control and having that separation from the SANFL. However it would have likely killed off the Magpies & Prison Bars at that point.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

That's not the point I'm making.

A regular argument against the bars is that another club wearing black and white will cause significant harm to Collingwood.

Obviously in just about every other major professional sports league in the world, there are teams that have the same colours as other teams, and it even happens with competing brands outside of sport. It doesn't seem to have any sort of negative effect on these teams.

So why is Collingwood and the AFL different?

The lord answers all prayers my child, but sometimes he says GAGF!

 

[bomberclifford]

Port Adelaide Football Club Inc.

What did they do next?

 

[sprockets]

What did they do next?

Changed their name like the VFL did when they changed their name to AFL, except the VFL and its clubs weren't entering an entirely different competition and fielding a new team to play in it, complete with new nickname and jumper.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

What do you think about this Port fans, both our clubs start from scratch, who ever is infront on the head to head tally gets the prize, the prize is Port get to wear the PBs on their home showdown if they lead, if Coliingwood lead we get to wear our home kit on your ground.

Battle of the stripes.

 

[Bearded Clam]

this prison bar crap has nothing to do with history, tradition and heritage.... its all about bleeding their supporters dry..

marketing 101 kochie style....get your supporter base all stirred up and in a huff about a minor issue.. encourage and foster a massive “we’re hard done by“, ”the worlds against us”, “its us vs them” type climate...

then when you have them all eating out of your hand.. hit em with the “you need to give us all your money if we’re gonna make it”...

this is from todays paper.

suckers.... how could you be so blind as to fall for this crap. its embarrassing.

its all about “history, heritage, tradition................... oh, yeah, and getting our most gullible to help in clearing our massive debt...”

is it a football club or a religious cult?..

 

[El_Scorcho]

But we are talking about same colours and stripes. Not just colours.

There are 6 teams in the too Brazilian soccer league wearing black and white stripes this year.

If you (or anyone) can explain why the AFL is different to every other major professional sports league in the world where this isn't an issue, I'm listening.

And you already had a jumper design with the teal colour when commenced in the AFL. So that is Port Power. You can’t change it after 25 years.

Clubs wearing a different home guernsey design to the one they did in 1997 when we joined the league:

Collingwood
Freo
North
Port
St Kilda
West Coast
Bulldogs

I've noticed as well that other sports use bats, racquets, and boxing gloves. What makes the AFL think they shouldn't use these? Probably some bloody Vic bias or something!

The lord answers all prayers my child, but sometimes he says GAGF!

Exactly. There's no reason why two teams in the same league can't wear the same colours.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

There are 6 teams in the too Brazilian soccer league wearing black and white stripes this year.

If you (or anyone) can explain why the AFL is different to every other major professional sports league in the world where this isn't an issue, I'm listening.



Clubs wearing a different home guernsey design to the one they did in 1997 when we joined the league:

Collingwood
Freo
North
Port
St Kilda
West Coast
Bulldogs




Exactly. There's no reason why two teams in the same league can't wear the same colours.

It's all a bit of fun at the end of the day, i reckon both clubs should come together and work something out, a friendly wager of sorts.

 

[El_Scorcho]

It's all a bit of fun at the end of the day, i reckon both clubs should come together and work something out, a friendly wager of sorts.

You're offer is an interesting idea, but I definitely don't want Collingwood to have to stop wearing it's guernsey for any reason. That's not what this is about.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Watching Port tonight and knowing the angst they have with regard to their uniform at the moment, the more I reckon that they’ve ****ed a very good uniform by putting the white number panel on the Vees singlet. It looks shit, especially with black shorts. The singlet and uniform as a whole looked great with a black number panel when it was initially released.

Interestingly, Port - with the request of its supporters - have bastardised the AFL singlet the same way some opposition supporters have suggested Port amend the SANFL uniform for the AFL.