Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[brutus76]

Collingwood is black AND white stripes.

Port's heritage guernsey is a black guernsey WITH thin white bars

they could have worn tutus or mumus after the game - who cares??????

 

[Lagooner]

The Oakland Raiders sued the NFL & NFL Properties in 1996 after the introduction of the Carolina Panthers stating that their colour scheme significantly clashed with the Raiders exisiting colour scheme, so to suggest that this issue hasn’t come up in overseas competitions before is flat out wrong.

The Raiders ended up dropping their case in 2003, in part because their case was doomed to fail due to it being in a state court when the applicable venue for those types of matters would’ve been the federal system, with the substantive issue of the differences between the two jerseys never being resolved (altho reports from that time do seem to suggest the Raiders weren’t likely to win on that either). Coincidently enough that was right around the time that the Panthers introduced their primarily blue alternate jersey which was sufficiently different to the Raiders, and a year before the NFL Properties license was redone by all 32 teams.


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El_Scorcho didn’t suggest that there were never any issues and in fact cited the Sydney FC/Melbourne City example where there was significant resistance at first. Melbourne City wore mainly white kits for a couple of seasons due to Sydney’s objections but then, here comes the important part, the matter was resolved. Melbourne City now also wear sky blue in a closed 12 team league (it was 11 teams at the time of the change) and Sydney FC are doing just fine. There have been no reports of supporters from either club inadvertently buying the other club’s gear.

The fact that sports clubs around the world have successfully made these changes on little more than a whim, in lieu of any significant historical or cultural context as per our case, is perhaps the most maddening aspect from a Port supporter POV.

 

[BustedWing]

@El_Scorcho didn’t suggest that there were never any issues

I would agree - he didn't SUGGEST it - he flat out said it.

here comes the important part, the matter was resolved.

So if the matter was resolved, then there were issues that needed resolving.

What are the issues in this, DIFFERENT situation? What the proposed resolution? If your suggested resolution is Collingwood can suck your prison barred D$*k, you'll do what you like, then expect resistance.

The fact that sports clubs around the world have successfully made these changes on little more than a whim,

Hardly "on a whim" - its all about how much $$$ they can make from having new jerseys out there for the hundreds of millions of potential customers to buy.

 

[Lagooner]

What are the issues in this, DIFFERENT situation? What the proposed resolution? If your suggested resolution is Collingwood can suck your prison barred D$*k, you'll do what you like, then expect resistance.

Well the fact that the Prison Bars date back 120 years and are tightly woven into the heritage and culture of our club is pretty a big DIFFERENCE. Certainly a more noble cause than “just cos” but apparently that’s the bar that needs to be cleared in every other sports league on the planet apart from the AFL.

 

[BustedWing]

Well the fact that the Prison Bars date back 120 years and are tightly woven into the heritage and culture of our club is pretty a big DIFFERENCE. Certainly a more noble cause than “just cos” but apparently that’s the bar that needs to be cleared in every other sports league on the planet apart from the AFL.

I mean, you SORT OF answered the question, albeit with an odd example.

Any other issues you can identify that’s preventing port from doing whatever it likes in this situation?


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[Lagooner]

I mean, you SORT OF answered the question, albeit with an odd example.

Any other issues you can identify that’s preventing port from doing whatever it likes in this situation?


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Yeah ego and politics. But it won’t matter in the end, we’ve seen this movie before and know how it ends. The team that wants to make a change eventually makes the change.

 

[BustedWing]

Yeah ego and politics. But it won’t matter in the end, we’ve seen this movie before and know how it ends. The team that wants to make a change eventually makes the change.

Nothing else?

Ah. You’re going with the “well never stop stop stop!” Argument I see, hardly a solution, more of a “suck our dicks” position...


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[TP86]

If Port weren’t dirt poor and could pay Collingwood the necessary pound(s) of flesh this would have been resolved ages ago. Either through a settlement or through spending the necessary money on lawyers to win in court. The burning issue the media never mentions is that they’re trying to find means to an end on the cheap.

 

[Kappa]

It’s time we sued them for breaching their agreement and selling black and white jumpers. Maybe 5 million for brand damage plus all sales of those jumpers?

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

It’s time we sued them for breaching their agreement and selling black and white jumpers. Maybe 5 million for brand damage plus all sales of those jumpers?

Brand damage lol, you don’t even have the rights to your own jumper. How could you sue us. AFL owns everything. If the AFL agree to it and they own the rights to everything about your club then you can’t do anything

 

[BustedWing]

Brand damage lol, you don’t even have the rights to your own jumper. How could you sue us. AFL owns everything. If the AFL agree to it and they own the rights to everything about your club then you can’t do anything

AFL owns the licences.

There’s a difference.


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[charcolechaddy]

But none could even make it to a Grand Final in the night competition at the time.

But I realize the top teams in the SANFL, WAFL could made the VFL top 5 back then. I think even the top VFA teams would have been competitive against the bottom VFL teams. As proven they were completive against the SANFL/WAFL teams in the night comp in the eighties.

Interesting question.
If the undefeated Port Melbourne 2011 played at the end of the year against bottom AFL team Gold Coast, who would win?

The gap between the leagues is huge.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Embarrassing guys. Imagine being so embarrassed by your club jumper you’d rather sing your song in your reserves top.

We did, when we beat your ass in the opening game.

 

[Shane Heard]

The AFL obviously think this outrageous display of disrespect to Collingwood is ok.

Hope they take it all the way to the High Court.

 

[Lagooner]

Nothing else?

Ah. You’re going with the “well never stop stop stop!” Argument I see, hardly a solution, more of a “suck our dicks” position...


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Not at all. “Suck my dick” is a polite request only and you should always accept no for an answer.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Imagine caring what other teams wear

 

[greatwhiteshark]

In 1970, as it is today, the biggest stage in all of Australian rules football was the MCG on the last Saturday in September and nothing else has ever come close

For the 1970 season the VFL averaged around 24k attendances across 6 games per week compared to the SANFL’s 9k with 5 games per week. Every VFL final in 1970 had over 100k in attendance with an average crowd of 111k for the 4 finals games. For comparison 2019 averaged 62k over 9 games, and only 120k more fans in total than 1970. The difference in population size argument only serves to point out how small Adelaide’s population was (under 900k in 1970) compared to Melbourne (around 2.4 million). 1970 was also the best attended year in WAFL history with an average attendances of 9k over 4 games per week during their H&A season. So on any given weekend in 1970, around 40k would attend WAFL games, 47k would attend SANFL games, and 144k would attend VFL games. Way more people in 1970 went to a VFL game instead of either a WAFL or SANFL game, so it makes sense that the VFL was seen as a bigger deal than the SANFL or WAFL, literally because so much more people saw the VFL compared to any other league.

This clearly gave the VFL a financial advantage no other state league could hope to match. To think that financial/attendance advantage has no impact on the relative quality of the different leagues is to ignore the obvious role money and the amount of people watching plays in sporting comps, even in less professional times. No other state league would have been able to expand into Victoria without an established VFL club joining their comp, and outside of one of the big 4 at the time, it wouldn’t really have made a financial difference on the remaining VFL clubs either way. The VFL on the other hand, were able to start up to brand new clubs from scratch that are still the dominant football clubs in those markets today and have been since pretty much the start. That plays a massive part in the lingering resentment and jealousy from other states towards Victoria, because the VFL’s incursions into their states killed their state leagues when they know the same wouldn’t have come close to happening if the SANFL/WAFL tried to do that. There is no doubting that high quality football was played by some of the best ever in those comps. But to say the strength of those competitions were even close is serious revisionist history.


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You lost me with your opening statement. How and in what universe would the VFL grand final in 1970 of been the big day on the football calendar for WA and SA footy followers? The biggest stage in football was GF day in both those states. In fact you Woukd of had to do some research back then to even find out who won the VFL or SANFL grand final if you were in WA.
I am not even sure a radio broadcast of the VFL grand final was on in WA in 1970 and if it was it would of been cutoff about half time to make way for the WA grand final.
I have no doubt for Victorians and Tasmanians the VFL grand final was the biggest stage and all the kids Would of grown up wanting to one day play on that last Saturday in September at the MCG. but that simply was not the case in WA or SA.

Of course more people watched the VFL, population took care of that. Most of what you said in the rest of your post is correct. The VFL was the strongest of the 3 big leagues which everyone agrees with.
But as the 3 leagues were never in competition with each other, they were all closed off leagues at the time geared entirely to their own state they all were the pinnacle of the sport in their own state. In fact no one ever discussed which was the strongest league back then as no one cared what was going on in other leagues thousands of miles away.
So as said before I think it is accepted that the VFL was the strongest of the 3 leagues, but as the pinnacle of the sport in WA and SA was the WAFL and SANFL then how can it be disputed they were not top tier status. The highest tier in their state just as the VFL was.

 

[charcolechaddy]

So embarrassing you want to wear fancy dress when you play us? Make up your mind why don’t you.

To be fair we could have stop and changed during the game and still beat your ass.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Loves it. For port its the biggest game of the year where they want to wear special tops and bring back dem barrrz

for us, it’s another game into Thilthorpe who scored as many goals as Dixon on one less knee.

You really are a Gibbs pie, produced by someone else and full of shit.

 

[PowerBaz]

Difficult to imagine what kind of person cares what another club wears.

Particularly when they wear it in their rooms.

Insert pic of Eddie.

 

[raskolnikov]

The AFL obviously think this outrageous display of disrespect to Collingwood is ok.

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Good on them. Great to see.

 

[Stromageddon]

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I remember that instance and clearly it was a bit rich for anyone to kick up a fuss. I think it might border on pretentious, but if Adelaide want to wear that jumper then go for it. It's a SoO recolor with AFL club branding - just like Port, hey?

In a simple ideal world:
1) home team wears what they want
2) away team wears what they want, providing no clash

As I posted earlier on the Port board

Nah. Dicating what other teams wear was the problem in the first place. Home teams should be able to wear what they want, regardless of herite or origin. If Adelaide want to SmartGoodwinSmug.jpg, then that's their business.

 

[Del165198]

It’s time we sued them for breaching their agreement and selling black and white jumpers. Maybe 5 million for brand damage plus all sales of those jumpers?

Maybe Collingwood should sue Eddie for being a racist fat campaigner if you wanna talk about brand damage?
Or bucks from taking over a premiership side and making them worse every year? That would do a bit of damage to the brand.

 

[Gavin Excell]

If Port weren’t dirt poor and could pay Collingwood the necessary pound(s) of flesh this would have been resolved ages ago. Either through a settlement or through spending the necessary money on lawyers to win in court. The burning issue the media never mentions is that they’re trying to find means to an end on the cheap.

You suggesting Pies principles on this will be abandoned if price is right?

 

[Lagooner]

I remember that instance and clearly it was a bit rich for anyone to kick up a fuss. I think it might border on pretentious, but if Adelaide want to wear that jumper then go for it. It's a SoO recolor with AFL club branding - just like Port, hey?

In a simple ideal world:
1) home team wears what they want
2) away team wears what they want, providing no clash

As I posted earlier on the Port board

There would’ve been nothing more shit club no history than disgracing the State of Origin guernsey with a 10 goal loss.