Port AFL is not Port SANFL

[D_One]

Looking at that again I noticed something very interesting:

Here's a definition of the word incorporated

Incorporate \In*cor"po*rate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Incorporated; p. pr. & vb. n. Incorporating.]

1. To form into a body; to combine, as different ingredients. into one consistent mass.
By your leaves, you shall not stay alone, Till holy church incorporate two in one. --Shak.
2. To unite with a material body; to give a material form to; to embody.
The idolaters, who worshiped their images as golds, supposed some spirit to be incorporated therein. --Bp. Stillingfleet.
3. To unite with, or introduce into, a mass already formed; as, to incorporate copper with silver; -- used with with and into.
4. To unite intimately; to blend; to assimilate; to combine into a structure or organization, whether material or mental; as, to incorporate provinces into the realm; to incorporate another's ideas into one's work.
The Romans did not subdue a country to put the inhabitants to fire and sword, but to incorporate them into their own community. --Addison.
5. To form into a legal body, or body politic; to constitute into a corporation recognized by law, with special functions, rights, duties and liabilities; as, to incorporate a bank, a railroad company, a city or town, etc.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Up until now I was under the impression that SANFL port (pre 97) were the same as Port Power. I was just arguing that their flags were irrelevant to the AFL. But having read an AFL printed statement, I have found proof that the Port Adelaide Power were created in 1996.

No your initial impression was correct. Either that or the Richmond Football Club is only 30 years old and has only has one senior premiership.

From http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=005_563_011&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Name RICHMOND FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
ACN 005 563 011
Type Australian Public Company, Limited By Guarantee
Registration Date 21/06/1979

And from http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=068_839_547&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Name PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
ACN 068 839 547
Type Australian Public Company, Limited By Guarantee
Registration Date 29/03/1995

 

[Riggy1]

1888: The Medindie Football Club (known as the "Dingoes") join the South Australian Football Association (now more commonly known as the South Australian National Football League).

1893 : The Medindie Football Club changes its name to the North Adelaide Football Club and known as 'Red n Whites'.

1922: North Adelaide played its home matches at Prospect Oval.

1968: The nickname 'Roosters' increasingly usurped the previously used 'Red n Whites' or '**** o' the North'.

1989: Finished Minor Premiers but failed dismally in the GF kicking only 1.8 to Port Adelaide’s 15.18. This is the catalyst to Port Adelaide realising that it is wasting its time in the SANFL and the following year Port Adelaide apply to join the AFL.

1997: When Port Adelaide moved to the AFL, North Adelaide begins its slow and painful demise towards inevitable death in the obscurity of the SANFL.

I dont give a crap about the history of my club. I only care about the here and now. Not what happened all that time ago. I dont care about 1997, 1998 or 2004 not even 2007. It is only now. Current AFL ladder.
1. Adelaide
...........
12. Port Adelaide
..........

........
3. North Adelaide
.......
5. Port Adelaide
........

 

[Riggy1]

and as the title says. Port AFL is not Port SANFL

so Port 1997 and Port 1996 cant be the same

 

[D_One]

I dont give a crap about the history of my club. I only care about the here and now. Not what happened all that time ago. I dont care about 1997, 1998 or 2004 not even 2007. It is only now. Current AFL ladder.
1. Adelaide
...........
12. Port Adelaide
..........

........
3. North Adelaide
.......
5. Port Adelaide
........

Actually here is the current 2009 AFL ladder.

		[B]P	W	D	L	For	Agst	PP[/B]
Port Adelaide	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brisbane Lions	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Carlton		0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Collingwood	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Essendon	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Fremantle	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Geelong		0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Hawthorn	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Melbourne	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
North Melbourne	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Richmond	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
St Kilda	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sydney		0	0	0	0	0	0	0
West Coast	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Western Bdogs	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Adelaide	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

[Riggy1]

the current ladder is in alphabetic order. Its obvious that the person who made that ladder is stupid.

 

[xamol]

Actually here is the current 2009 AFL ladder.

		[B]P	W	D	L	For	Agst	PP[/B]
Port Adelaide	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brisbane Lions	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Carlton		0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Collingwood	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Essendon	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Fremantle	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Geelong		0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Hawthorn	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Melbourne	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
North Melbourne	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Richmond	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
St Kilda	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sydney		0	0	0	0	0	0	0
West Coast	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Western Bdogs	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Adelaide	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

Bit like yourself D! It's upside down

 

[El_Scorcho]

Massive lols at KingsCrow's argument with suburu earlier.

Every club has embarrassing supporters on bigfooty who destroy the integrity of the rest of the clubs supporters by constantly posting inane moronic arguments over and over again. It's always hilarious when one of their own tells them to sit down, shut up and stop embarrassing the rest of them. My hat goes off to KingsCrow.

I understand we all like having a laugh and ribbing eachother about things that will get a good reaction, but there comes a time when enough is enough and people need to let go and come up with something else.

 

[Rosstickle]

No your initial impression was correct. Either that or the Richmond Football Club is only 30 years old and has only has one senior premiership.

From http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=005_563_011&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Name RICHMOND FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
ACN 005 563 011
Type Australian Public Company, Limited By Guarantee
Registration Date 21/06/1979

And from http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=068_839_547&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1

Name PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
ACN 068 839 547
Type Australian Public Company, Limited By Guarantee
Registration Date 29/03/1995

Wasn't aware of that.

In any case I will revert back to original argument, that Port SANFL is Port AFL but your SANFL flags are irrelevant and inferior to AFL/VFL flags.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Irrelevant to you, relevant to us.

Inferior to AFL flags, as good as equal to VFL flags from before about 1980. (I know they the AFL is the VFL and they are the same competition, don't bloody post that again).

 

[Riggy1]

Irrelevant to you, relevant to us.

Inferior to AFL flags, as good as equal to VFL flags from before about 1980. (I know they the AFL is the VFL and they are the same competition, don't bloody post that again).

that is about right. SANFL > VFL before 1973.
VFL > SANFL from 1973 and beyond.

before 1973 only 5 times had a Victorian team won the champions of Australia and that was from 1888.

 

[Rosstickle]

Irrelevant to you, relevant to us.

Inferior to AFL flags, as good as equal to VFL flags from before about 1980. (I know they the AFL is the VFL and they are the same competition, don't bloody post that again).

Apparently their not relevant to you because your team doesn't consider them to be worth competing for.

that is about right. SANFL > VFL before 1973.
VFL > SANFL from 1973 and beyond.

before 1973 only 5 times had a Victorian team won the champions of Australia and that was from 1888.

You mean 1888-1914.

I wouldn't agree with that though. Yeah SA teams won 6/7 champions of Australia trophies after the VFL was born but they won all of them at home. The only time they had to travel they got beaten. If teams in this day and age have trouble traveling what chance did they have back before cars were invented?

And the Vic teams didn't get pumped to the extent that the SANFL teams did in the 70's.

 

[Riggy1]

Apparently their not relevant to you because your team doesn't consider them to be worth competing for.



You mean 1888-1914.

I wouldn't agree with that though. Yeah SA teams won 6/7 champions of Australia trophies after the VFL was born but they won all of them at home. The only time they had to travel they got beaten. If teams in this day and age have trouble traveling what chance did they have back before cars were invented?

And the Vic teams didn't get pumped to the extent that the SANFL teams did in the 70's.

Who won 1972 according to you it had to of been a Victorian team

 

[Rosstickle]

Who won 1972 according to you it had to of been a Victorian team

North did by a single point. Vic teams won 8 of the other 9 games, usually by huge margins and every one of them away from home.

8/9 > 6/7.

By the way SANFL teams didn't even compete in a couple of years.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Apparently their not relevant to you because your team doesn't consider them to be worth competing for.

I've stated repeatedly that I, and the club, consider AFL flags to be worth more than SANFL flags. Therefore, the club wants to be competing against the best opposition for the highest possible honour, and there is no doubting that that is an AFL premiership.

We can only compete for one, so which one would you pick?

 

[Riggy1]

North did by a single point. Vic teams won 8 of the other 9 games, usually by huge margins and every one of them away from home.

8/9 > 6/7.

By the way SANFL teams didn't even compete in a couple of years.

oh 2 years woop de do. Youll notice that those were both after Leigh Matthews went out of his way to destroy the best the SANFL had.

 

[mess]

Same key admin - President, CEO, Senior Coach, the majority of the existing board.

Same club - Port Adelaide Football Club based at Alberton Oval.

16 players - well over 30% of the list -

Port Magpies were based out at Ethelton but played their home games at Alberton Oval.

Regarding players, Port Magpies inherited the remainder of the 1996 list.

Sweet. Seems to me it's as both clubs say it is. Both clubs came from the original PAFC, but are no longer related to each other.

Thus both have a right to claim PAFC's pre-'97 SANFL premierships as part of their histories.

It's just not very impressive, as far as Power and their AFL rivals are concerned.

 

[Rosstickle]

I've stated repeatedly that I, and the club, consider AFL flags to be worth more than SANFL flags. Therefore, the club wants to be competing against the best opposition for the highest possible honour, and there is no doubting that that is an AFL premiership.

We can only compete for one, so which one would you pick?

The AFL flag of course.

Therefore AFL/VFL flags are worth more than SANFL flags. Therefore Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Sydney/South, West Coast, Adelaide, Brisbane and even the now defunct Fitzroy's history > than Port Adelaide's history.

 

[mess]

oh 2 years woop de do. Youll notice that those were both after Leigh Matthews went out of his way to destroy the best the SANFL had.

How'd he do that?

 

[Riggy1]

How'd he do that?

Um. ill give a hypothetical scenerio. Because Victorians dont know who Barrie Robran is. (1972 Champions of Australia. He embarressed Jesalenko)

Tredrea chargers Franklin. instead of going for the ball. And he completely shatters Franklin's knee when the leg makes contact with another object

 

[Geoffa32]

Um. ill give a hypothetical scenerio. Because Victorians dont know who Barrie Robran is. (1972 Champions of Australia. He embarressed Jesalenko)

Tredrea chargers Franklin. instead of going for the ball. And he completely shatters Franklin's knee when the leg makes contact with another object

And there is no modern rehab........

 

[Elite Crow]

Not really. AFL/VFL flags are worth more than SANFL flags, but not to the point where 34 SANFL flags are worth less than about 5 VFL flags. And the only clubs that can claim to have been more successful than us in the AFL are the Crows and Brisbane, as they are the only clubs who have won more flags than us at a time where we could've competed for them. And the Crows one is a bit iffy as we could hardly have been expected to win an AFL flag in our first couple of years.

To use your own words you have been owned. On one thread you have been arguing the Crows havent been more successful because of your "Champions of Oz" titles, now its because you couldnt be expected to win an AFL flag in your first couple of years. Well then look at it this way, we won one in our 7th years, and our second in our 8th year. In your 8th year you won your first and havent won one since. So we have been more successful than you in the AFL. Thanks for making my case for me.

 

[stoner]

First of all the SANFL was not a shit competition. Secondlly your wonderful league was a state based competition for nearly 100 years (yes suburbs literally played suburbs)


Port Adelaide played in the South Australian competition (because Port Adelaide is located in SA). They were the best side in the competition. They won lots of flags.


When the opportunity arose that they could move into a bigger league (the expanded Victorian Football League) they entered it. But obviously there was another club with black and white and a magpie eblem. So they changed their name, they changed their logo.

The SANFL wanted to stay alive, be relevant. They couldnt have a competion without a 'Port Adelaide' so they created a new club, an extention of Port Adelaide FC....the new Port Adelaide Magpies FC.

Firstly, I was wrong to denigrate the SANFL as a competition. Of course it is a respected league, and Port Adelaide, and all other clubs that compete in it deserve all the success they achieve in it. My slagging off was done on the spur of the moment.

On the second bolded point, you state that a new club was created, yet both clubs lay claim to the 34 SANFL premierships.

This cannot be - and Port Power have no right to assume ownership of these premierships - they belong to the team that still plays in the SANFL.

If indeed it is agreed that Port Power are actually the Port that competed in the SANFL, then the Port Magpies MUST remove the 34 premierships from their website and history. You yourself said they are a new club.

This of course would be a monumental kick to the guts of all Port magpie supporters, but clearly you can understand that two separate clubs cannot share the same history.

 

[Rosstickle]

Not really. AFL/VFL flags are worth more than SANFL flags, but not to the point where 34 SANFL flags are worth less than about 5 VFL flags. And the only clubs that can claim to have been more successful than us in the AFL are the Crows and Brisbane, as they are the only clubs who have won more flags than us at a time where we could've competed for them. And the Crows one is a bit iffy as we could hardly have been expected to win an AFL flag in our first couple of years.

The sad thing is nobody outside of Adelaide values your flags at all. So to them 1 AFL/VFL flag is worth more than 34 SANFL flags. And using them to show that you have a successful culture is invalid. They only rate what you've done in the AFL.

 

[wambat]

The sad thing is nobody outside of Adelaide values your flags at all. So to them 1 AFL/VFL flag is worth more than 34 SANFL flags. And using them to show that you have a successful culture is invalid. They only rate what you've done in the AFL.

And thats where the problem lies, Post 119 the reference back to the 30 odd flags and the established in 1870 has been stronger than ever. The only creed the current Formed 1997 club lives is that of failure and choking.

 

[ROates]

The sad thing is nobody outside of Adelaide values your flags at all.

Don't worry, nobody outside Victoria values VFL flags either.