possible trades for Tyson Stenglien?

[Mead]

well if you have a look through the threads basically not one WCE suppoter ( ok maybe 1 or 2) have put forward a decent/realistic player - every time a Adelaide fan puts forward a name they get the same "he's our first 22 and steinglein would be in our top 6 midfield etc etc) now bearing that in mind - it seems any player that is a realistic trade for stenglein is loved muchly by the WCE fans (and rightly so) which only leads me to believe that if a player is involved then it is going to disappoint quite a few people on this board

i dont think we need to add to the rumours on this board ( or all the others) but from the mail that i have heard ( and i think quite a few Adelaide fans), WCE are going to part comany with a highish profile player as Craig is desperate to fill a gap left by Stenglien and therefore is desperate to fill it with experience (but not an old bugger )

all i can say is i cant wait till trade week ends so we can see how it pans out

I think the problem is there is not a great deal that either clubs want- both teams are fairly similar in having pretty good midfielders and rather a lack of kpp depth, which makes a third party trade far more likely.

Of players in our best 22, I think there is some chance (in fact, quite a good chance, that we will part company with the likes of Morrison, Rowan Jones or Wooden, or perhaps even Wirrpunda. From outside the 22, Chambers or Johnson are the most likely trade bait. Not sure Adelaide would want any of those.

Personally, I think the most likely out come is a 3 way trade- Morrison + WC 2nd rounder to a victorian team, something from them to Adelaide. My gut feeling is a pick in the #13-#20 range.

 

[Cap]

I think the problem is there is not a great deal that either clubs want- both teams are fairly similar in having pretty good midfielders and rather a lack of kpp depth, which makes a third party trade far more likely.

Of players in our best 22, I think there is some chance (in fact, quite a good chance, that we will part company with the likes of Morrison, Rowan Jones or Wooden, or perhaps even Wirrpunda. From outside the 22, Chambers or Johnson are the most likely trade bait. Not sure Adelaide would want any of those.

Personally, I think the most likely out come is a 3 way trade- Morrison + WC 2nd rounder to a victorian team, something from them to Adelaide. My gut feeling is a pick in the #13-#20 range.

i tend to agree with the third party, but i cant really see who is going to be involved, it would be interesting to see what draft picks adelaide would take ( if a appropiate player isnt offered) i suppose you have to weight up the depth of the draft, especially in comparison to the player that adeliade would be losing. I suppose that the with Eagles "excess" in midfielders they would be more inclined to trade with this especially since you are gaining another one.

i suppose you never know those rumblings about Tarrant might be true he would fit well into the eagles ?

 

[Stiffy_18]

From The Age

Crow Stenglein flies to Eagles
By Mark Duffield
Perth
September 10, 2004

Adelaide midfielder Tyson Stenglein has committed to a three-year, $800,000 deal to join West Coast - subject to a trade deal being struck with the Crows.

It is believed the Eagles and Stenglein's manager Colin Young struck a heads of agreement on Wednesday morning.

The move all but rules Fremantle out of calculations for the Adelaide tagger.

Dockers football director Steven Icke talked to Young on Tuesday morning but West Coast always had been the frontrunner, with midfielder Chad Fletcher among Stenglein's closest friends.

The news sparked some tough talk from Crows chief executive Steven Trigg, who was unaware of any formal agreement but knew the Eagles and Stenglein had come to terms.


"That doesn't change anything from our point of view," he said.

"We have said and we continue to say that we want someone who is about 24 years of age, has played 100-plus games, would play every game for us, would have leadership potential at our club and would always be in the top four of our fairest and best. We are very clear about what we would want in return for a quality person."

Trigg refused to concede that Stenglein was no chance to return to the Crows if a deal couldn't be struck.

"I would think that if we can't do a deal with West Coast, then Tyson is welcome to come back and play for us. That is our perspective. I think that both he and his manager are confident that a deal can be done."

Asked if any negotiations had already taken place, he replied: "There has been some positioning but we haven't been down to the nitty-gritty."

Stenglein is on an overseas holiday, but spoke to Young and was "delighted" with the deal.

"He is hoping that Adelaide will co-operate. If not, we will re-evaluate where we are at. It could happen 10 minutes before the end of the trading period, you just never know, but we are committed to West Coast 150 per cent."

- West Australian

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Now c'mon people. You see what Adelaide want and thats what needs to be delivered. Its obvious that the trade between the 2 clubs looks unlikely and the 3rd party will get involved. Mead you continue to say that most likely scenario is that you will get a pick in range from 13 to 20 and trade it on. We won't accept it. We alredy got offered your first round pick and we rejected it. Why would we settle for something less

I still think the most likely trade is a 3 team deal that will see us get a player we want which is preferably a midfielder thats 24 or under and satisfy's the criteria set by the club.

I just don't get your line of thinking in saying that the most likely trade will be for a pick 13-20 when we alredy rejected your pick 12. Just out of interest how did you arrive at your conclusion??????

 

[coasting]

So the crows don't want draft picks. That means if we offered them pick #1 they wouldn't take it. ROFL. I guess we shouldn't be surprised at their stupidity, they went after Wayne Carey and said they didn't want Pavlich I hope they do send him into the PSD because that will mean one less team we have to worry about. Crows for spoon in 05.

 

[larrikin]

I just don't get your line of thinking in saying that the most likely trade will be for a pick 13-20 when we alredy rejected your pick 12. Just out of interest how did you arrive at your conclusion??????

Sorry Stiffy - but where was pick 12 rejected?

The Crows are talking tough - as they should - about wanting a player. But if there is no player who wants to continue their career in Adelaide who is of comensurate value then why would the Crows be stupid and say that is the only option.

It's not likely that a WA player who is doing okay at West Coast (including names that have been linked - Kerr, Cox, McDougall, Fletcher, Seaby) would want to move - and the only players we are likely to offer are Victorians.

Draft picks and/or 3rd party pick are far more likely.

Bottom line - Stenglein will most likely play for us next year - I'm looking forward to it....

 

[Altum Volantes]

Sorry Stiffy - but where was pick 12 rejected?

Reports suggest Adelaide knocked back the first round pick offer at the same time they knocked back Braun, Morrison, Wirrpunda or Wooden and requested Cox or Kerr.

Regardless, I'm pretty confident that 2 smart clubs like this will work out a fair deal when it's all said and done.

 

[larrikin]

Reports suggest Adelaide knocked back the first round pick offer at the same time they knocked back Braun, Morrison, Wirrpunda or Wooden and requested Cox or Kerr.

Regardless, I'm pretty confident that 2 smart clubs like this will work out a fair deal when it's all said and done.

To be honest - if that's the way Adelaide are playing neither club is going to win....

I suspect on this one the media are as usual speculating just like us...

 

[Streaker]

Reports suggest Adelaide knocked back the first round pick offer at the same time they knocked back Braun, Morrison, Wirrpunda or Wooden and requested Cox or Kerr.

Regardless, I'm pretty confident that 2 smart clubs like this will work out a fair deal when it's all said and done.

Might be pricing themselves out of the market, other options are opening up.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10728227%5E20322,00.html

Player           MT   K   H   D  Avg  M  Avg  T   Avg  G  Avg
Cameron Bruce    22  229 199 428 19.5 99 4.5  81  3.7  34 1.5
Tyson Stenglein  22  192 163 355 16.1 87 4    75  3.4  7  0.3

He led Melbourne in hardball gets (57) and finished second in possessions (428), clearances (65), goals (34) and entries inside the 50m arc (92).

 

[jod23]

Geez there not asking much are they?? lol

"We have said and we continue to say that we want someone who is about 24 years of age, has played 100-plus games, would play every game for us, would have leadership potential at our club and would always be in the top four of our fairest and best. We are very clear about what we would want in return for a quality person."

You would think Stenglien was as good as a Kerr or Judd wouldnt you?? Then they have the gall to actually ask for Kerr or Cox. Cmon now....tell him he's dreaming.

 

[Cat_flying_high]

Geez there not asking much are they?? lol

"We have said and we continue to say that we want someone who is about 24 years of age, has played 100-plus games, would play every game for us, would have leadership potential at our club and would always be in the top four of our fairest and best. We are very clear about what we would want in return for a quality person."QUOTE]

they claim to be "clear" about what they want in return for a quality person, but really, they seem to be confused.
eg. they want someone who's about 24 (Kerr turned 21 this year), who has played 100 + games (Kerr's played around 80 or so from memory), would play every game for them (Kerr does have a few injury issues which hopefully will be corrected over the summer, and has appeared at the tribunal a fair few times, and I don't think he's ever played a full season for us). I'm not sure about Coxes stats but honestly, they seem to have completely contrasting objectives when they talk about wanting Kerr.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Geez there not asking much are they?? lol

"We have said and we continue to say that we want someone who is about 24 years of age, has played 100-plus games, would play every game for us, would have leadership potential at our club and would always be in the top four of our fairest and best. We are very clear about what we would want in return for a quality person."QUOTE]

they claim to be "clear" about what they want in return for a quality person, but really, they seem to be confused.
eg. they want someone who's about 24 (Kerr turned 21 this year), who has played 100 + games (Kerr's played around 80 or so from memory), would play every game for them (Kerr does have a few injury issues which hopefully will be corrected over the summer, and has appeared at the tribunal a fair few times, and I don't think he's ever played a full season for us). I'm not sure about Coxes stats but honestly, they seem to have completely contrasting objectives when they talk about wanting Kerr.

Obviously you don't know much about trading do you??????

At this early stage of the negotiations Adelaide will aim higher than what they truely believe they will get and thats why they asked for Kerr or Cox. Adelaide are very much aware that we will not be getting those player. West Coast will come in first up with the offer they would think is a bargain and know that Adelaide will reject it. All this has happened and all this is expected. As the deadline approaches closer the goal posts will come closer and closer until eventually the 2 clubs settle on a good trade. Its the way it works.

Adelaide are not confused about what they want. Kerr would be great but we know we won't get him. Would you rather take a 21 year old with 80 odd games of AFL experience or a 24 year old with 100 odd games of AFL experience?????? I am sure every club will go for the younger player who is on target to be better. Not confused at all just playing hardball and you wouldn't expect anything different.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Might be pricing themselves out of the market, other options are opening up.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10728227%5E20322,00.html

Player           MT   K   H   D  Avg  M  Avg  T   Avg  G  Avg
Cameron Bruce    22  229 199 428 19.5 99 4.5  81  3.7  34 1.5
Tyson Stenglein  22  192 163 355 16.1 87 4    75  3.4  7  0.3

He led Melbourne in hardball gets (57) and finished second in possessions (428), clearances (65), goals (34) and entries inside the 50m arc (92).

Interesting.

Knowing Melbourne they will come good and might need to lose another player. I know that Crows are interested in Scott Thompson so maybe a 3 way deal between WC, Melbourne and Adelaide can be arranged.

Pick 12 to Melbourne
Stenglein to West Coast
Thompson to Adelaide

I always thought this could be a possibility and it would appear to be the most likely outcome.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Draft picks and/or 3rd party pick are far more likely.

Bottom line - Stenglein will most likely play for us next year - I'm looking forward to it....

This third party has been mentioned a few times, as if something magical is going to happen to deliver both Stenglein and the Crows required player to their new homes.

Fact is if the WC don't want to give up the player the Crows want, then possibly trading your first round to a another club to deliver that player is not going to happen either?
The rating of draft picks and players does not change because a third party come in. Crows rate their req greater than pick 12, third party will also rate the player the crows want greater than pick 12 - vicious circle.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

This third party has been mentioned a few times, as if something magical is going to happen to deliver both Stenglein and the Crows required player to their new homes.

Fact is if the WC don't want to give up the player the Crows want, then possibly trading your first round to a another club to deliver that player is not going to happen either?
The rating of draft picks and players does not change because a third party come in. Crows rate their req greater than pick 12, third party will also rate the player the crows want greater than pick 12 - vicious circle.

There's no way that post can be serious

Problem is that the crows are trading away a ready made player, and don't want to receive a draft pick in return, as whoever they pick up will most probably need 2-3yrs of development before they are of Tyson's ability. But another team, such as the rebuilding tigers, hawks or bulldogs, might see the draft pick as more suited to their future plans and might give up a 24yr old 100 game player for it.

If Adelaide rejected a trade for Braun (as was reported...maybe i should say made up), they are seriously over-estimating Stengleins worth.

 

[Clayton]

Stenglein while being a more than handy pick up & i'm sure the club will be doing all within it's power to secure his signature, is not worth giving up a Wirrapunda, Morrison or a Braun. BTW Cox & Kerr are almost definately off the table imo.

 

[larrikin]

Stenglein while being a more than handy pick up & i'm sure the club will be doing all within it's power to secure his signature, is not worth giving up a Wirrapunda, Morrison or a Braun. BTW Cox & Kerr are almost definately off the table imo.

He'd definitely be worth more than Morrison IMO.

 

[Clayton]

I'll agree that Stenglein is worth alot more than Morrison, but I think those three players feature pretty heavily in our clubs gameplan & we should be trying to keep them.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There's no way that post can be serious

Problem is that the crows are trading away a ready made player, and don't want to receive a draft pick in return, as whoever they pick up will most probably need 2-3yrs of development before they are of Tyson's ability. But another team, such as the rebuilding tigers, hawks or bulldogs, might see the draft pick as more suited to their future plans and might give up a 24yr old 100 game player for it.

If Adelaide rejected a trade for Braun (as was reported...maybe i should say made up), they are seriously over-estimating Stengleins worth.

Yes it was serious TWT

Cmon think about it, who is going to give up a 24 year old 100 gamer who has real value for a draft pick thats a bit of a gamble.
You aren't prepare to give up someone like that, chances are real good neither will another club.

Example: Tigers in rebuild mode, will they give up Coghlan for pick 12?????

On your last point Stengleins worth is being over estimated. Every club supporter does it. I don't rate him that highly myself, but then again the "market" can raise and lower players real value, and ATM Stengleins value appears high.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'll agree that Stenglein is worth alot more than Morrison, but I think those three players feature pretty heavily in our clubs gameplan & we should be trying to keep them.

Sorry guys we would all like to add a quality player to our list and give up nothing of value.

Fact is the league is too sophisicated these days and sucker deals are a rareity.

You will have to give someone up that you don't want to lose - inescapable fact.

Is it better an established player, or a young draftee (Waters/butler) who do not figure prominently in your gameplan yet but will be good players.

It is a very very tough call.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Example: Tigers in rebuild mode, will they give up Coghlan for pick 12?????

Coughlan is worth much more than pick 12. But say a more realistic one could be:

Pick 12 to Hawthorn
Joel Smith to Adelaide
Stenglein to Eagles

Smith is probably a bit old to interest the Crows much, but its an example where a player thats reportedly on the outer might be traded for a good pick. If not, maybe:

Pick 12 + Morrison to Tigers
Ottens to Crows
Stenglein + Crows 2nd rd pick to eagles

 

[Stiffy_18]

Coughlan is worth much more than pick 12. But say a more realistic one could be:

Pick 12 to Hawthorn
Joel Smith to Adelaide
Stenglein to Eagles

Smith is probably a bit old to interest the Crows much, but its an example where a player thats reportedly on the outer might be traded for a good pick. If not, maybe:

Pick 12 + Morrison to Tigers
Ottens to Crows
Stenglein + Crows 2nd rd pick to eagles

We are not after Ottens. he is staying with Richmond.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Coughlan is worth much more than pick 12. But say a more realistic one could be:

Pick 12 to Hawthorn
Joel Smith to Adelaide
Stenglein to Eagles

Smith is probably a bit old to interest the Crows much, but its an example where a player thats reportedly on the outer might be traded for a good pick. If not, maybe:

Pick 12 + Morrison to Tigers
Ottens to Crows
Stenglein + Crows 2nd rd pick to eagles

Two good examples .
Your right Smiths value ias about right OMO but has dropped as his age rises, I would doubt due to his age the Crows would entertain that trade, but they would IMO give it consideration.

If Ottens was interested in going to the Crows , yes you would have to consider that deal closely, from our perspective a reasonable deal.