Mega Thread Possible trades in 2015 for the Crows

[ADL9798]

I just don't get the obsession with Nakia. The guy averages 7 disposals over his 11 games and has kicked three goals.

Yes, he is capable of doing mercurial things, but there will remain massive question marks over him for me until he puts out consistent good performances at AFL level.

True, he definitely hasn't had as much of the footy so far as you'd expect of someone with his quality.

But to be fair - he's 18 years old, I'm pretty sure he was the sub in 7 or 8 of those 11 games, and he has come into the AFL after spending nearly his entire draft year on the sidelines with a foot injury, so it's easy to imagine that his fitness base wouldn't be great. Personally I think he looks a really bright prospect. He looks to have all the tools, and for me he's shown enough to suggest he could be a very classy, dynamic outside midfielder and a dangerous weapon to have in the side if he develops his fitness and reading of the game. Obviously he may not realise his huge potential, but of all the players being discussed in these potential trade scenarios I'd rather end up with him than 1 of these more consistent albeit middle of the road journeyman types that are being thrown up.

 

[Gets!]

If we get 2016 first rounder for Geelong...I will be praying for a cats wooden spoon

 

[betterthanu]

If we get 2016 first rounder for Geelong...I will be praying for a cats wooden spoon

They will be pretty good with Danger in their rotations though. Its a pretty strange case with what we're trading for being worth less because of what we're trading.

 

[Niximus]

If we get 2016 first rounder for Geelong...I will be praying for a cats wooden spoon

Having someone's pick for next year will really give new meaning to supporting the Crows and 'whoever is playing X'.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

True, he definitely hasn't had as much of the footy so far as you'd expect of someone with his quality.

But to be fair - he's 18 years old, I'm pretty sure he was the sub in 7 or 8 of those 11 games, and he has come into the AFL after spending nearly his entire draft year on the sidelines with a foot injury, so it's easy to imagine that his fitness base wouldn't be great. Personally I think he looks a really bright prospect. He looks to have all the tools, and for me he's shown enough to suggest he could be a very classy, dynamic outside midfielder and a dangerous weapon to have in the side if he develops his fitness and reading of the game. Obviously he may not realise his huge potential, but of all the players being discussed in these potential trade scenarios I'd rather end up with him than 1 of these more consistent albeit middle of the road journeyman types that are being thrown up.

Yeah, but if you look at all the scenarios being put forward they basically boil down to either the 2016 first round pick (a risk as this could be anywhere from pick 5/6 to pick 13/14 - doubt Geelong would be top 4) or cockatoo. Given next years draft is meant to run deep, I'd prefer to take the on the pick.

I know I am in the minority here, but I have huge question marks over Nakia. He still has a massive uncertainty range around him and I'd prefer to take the 2016 pick, sit on it and then decide next year whether to use it or trade it. Seems like a much less risky option to me and also a much more likely outcome for all parties.

 

[Danger Zone]

1st, 3rd and Cockatoo for Danger is what I would be hoping for. Trade that 3rd for Hampton and first for someone like Mayes. Mayes, Cockatoo and Hampton for Danger would be a great outcome for us given the circumstances.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

1st, 3rd and Cockatoo for Danger is what I would be hoping for. Trade that 3rd for Hampton and first for someone like Mayes. Mayes, Cockatoo and Hampton for Danger would be a great outcome for us given the circumstances.

I would be as bold as to say, do not want cockatoo. There was talk prior to the draft he could go anywhere from pick 10 to sliding into the 20's. He still hasn't demonstrated to me that the assessment would be any different which means we're taking a first, second and third for PD.

 

[FAITH]

we wont be getting The ****, just forget about it.

 

[Danger Zone]

I still rate Cockatoo but, yeah, very unlikely. Nice to speculate though.

 

[Pugsley]

we wont be getting The ****, just forget about it.

Exactly. Just take the two first rounders and run.

 

[Brentmeister]

They will be pretty good with Danger in their rotations though. Its a pretty strange case with what we're trading for being worth less because of what we're trading.

They've also ditched Stevie J, Kelly, Stokes and Mcintosh. Mackie/Bartel/Enright/Taylor are all getting pretty old and there are major injury question marks over Menzel, Vardy and Mitch Clark.

There's a lot of dead wood on their list so if they get a few injuries they may suffer badly. Dangerfield and Henderson will be good gets but Scott Selwood can't even get a game for an injury ravaged West Coast.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Just quietly how good would that Danger 2 Melbourne be.

Lots more to play with from our perspective. Go Goody Go!!!

We would only get the concession pick as there is no way we could match that offer...

 

[EVILCROW]

Get a **** or 2 their saying....

 

[FAITH]

We would only get the concession pick as there is no way we could match that offer...

Frank Costa also wont help him off field if he goes anywhere other than geelong, which is the main reason he wants to go to geelong.

 

[Scorpus]

They will be pretty good with Danger in their rotations though. Its a pretty strange case with what we're trading for being worth less because of what we're trading.

Yeah not sure about that.

They got slaughtered by Hawthorn (twice), Sydney, West Coast, North Melbourne, Fremantle and Collingwood (when their season was on the line) this year.

They also lost to Melbourne in Geelong, tied with St Kilda, managed a very narrow victory against a decimated Gold Coast at home, narrowly defeated an underperforming Richmond side, and scraped past the Bulldogs at home.

They really only had two impressive wins for the season: beating Port in Adelaide, and Sydney (even though Sydney sucked on the night) in Geelong. Dominating Collingwood early in the season was also an okay win, but both teams finished around the same spot.

Looking at their best wins we have Mackie, Bartel, Kelly, Enright, and Taylor in the top ten against Sydney. Enright with a dominant performance against Port with Stokes and Lonergan also playing important roles. Johnson and Enright with nearly 30 disposals against Collingwood. And against Richmond we have Taylor, Rivers, Enright, and Kelly in the top 10.

The simple fact is that in their wins, their aging stars played a significant role in the victories.

So now Dangerfield joins their team in his prime, but he's not going to replace 6-7 of their aging players by himself over the 5-6 years he's at the club. On top of that, Geelong will relinquish their first round picks for 2015 and 2016 in the trade, which means they won't have important youth in their squad hitting the 50 game mark by the time players like Selwood, Duncan, Motlop, Dangerfield and Hawkins are in their premiership prime.

Those players will be the core of what Geelong hopes is the next premiership squad. But as we've seen from other teams, you need an even list to push up to the top 4, and they're not going to be able to find the key position replacements for their defenders, as well as a true second forward and a ruckman, without early picks.

What Geelong will end up doing is selling key youth prospects in important positions for a single star midfielder. They crucially need role players across the squad, and their youth (especially in key positions) is simply not good enough to deliver Geelong success in the time the premiership core of star players will be around.

 

[Shoota Welsh]

Just quietly how good would that Danger 2 Melbourne be.

Lots more to play with from our perspective. Go Goody Go!!!

we wouldnt be able to match and force a trade..?

 

[hippyhippy]

I would accept a compo pick if danger went anywhere other than geelong. They are the ones we are fighting against on the ladder.

 

[Scorpus]

What we need is different to what Geelong needs. We have solid youth and star power, we don't have aging players, but we also don't have an even list.

We need a collection of decent role players to even our squad for a premiership tilt. Geelong needs youth and players to replace stars.

Instead Geelong are grabbing a single star player at the expense of important youth. Meanwhile I suspect we'll turn our compensation for losing a star into evening our squad, which is exactly what we need to enter the Top 4.

This is why I have faith that we will turn into a better team and will be consistently better than Geelong after losing Dangerfield.

 

[matty p]

Exactly. Just take the two first rounders and run.

Why would we? We lose out big time in that deal.

 

[Pugsley]

Why would we? We lose out big time in that deal.

Ok. Chuck in two first rounders plus second and third.

 

[Tex Support]

We would only get the concession pick as there is no way we could match that offer...

we wouldnt be able to match and force a trade..?

Is that true though? Surely freeing up 7 figures worth of cap space would've been part of our contingency plan for this inevitable scenario?

2 things I've assumed: 1 - Having heaps of space is why everyone is super-confident of being able to match the reported 800k deal from Geelong, and 2 - we wouldn't be saying "everything's on the table" and "we'll ensure the best possible outcome" if we weren't factoring in larger million plus offers from other clubs that might sway Danger away from Geelong.

I might be very wrong of course, but it seems/feels like we're covered in that regard?

 

[threefa9]

We can really make good out of an unfortunate situation.
1. We match and get good picks/young player
2. Following that trade we have heaps of coin allocated to Danger to chase one or two guns

 

[Freddy Bassett]

We can really make good out of an unfortunate situation.
1. We match and get good picks/young player
2. Following that trade we have heaps of coin allocated to Danger to chase one or two guns

Pressure is on Ogilvy..
Nail the likely 2 first round picks we get for Danger and we come out in front..
Spend the million spare in Free Agency and it can set our club up for the ultimate success

 

[FAITH]

Pressure is on Ogilvy..
Nail the likely 2 first round picks we get for Danger and we come out in front..
Spend the million spare in Free Agency and it can set our club up for the ultimate success

i think Rendell said something similar recently.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Pressure is on Ogilvy..
Nail the likely 2 first round picks we get for Danger and we come out in front..
Spend the million spare in Free Agency and it can set our club up for the ultimate success

And David Noble/Justin Reid