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[Zahki]

Changes to the premiership team by the end of next year:

OUT: Beams, Toovey, Goldsack, Blair, Cloke.
IN: Krakeour, Tarrant, Presti, Davis, Dick

Cloke will lose his place for poor kicking at goal.
Blair/Beams/Cloke will unfortunately make way for Davis, Krakeour, Dick combination
Toovey's poor disposal will see him drop his place for Tarrant.
Presti going round one more year just leaves no room for Goldsack.

My god, you're insane.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

I believe nearly every one of you are insane.

The reason we won the Grand Final was because we relied on the young guys to step up and perform. They all did, albeit at different times and now because we have a guy who was injured for the whole second half of the season (Tarrant) and an exciting but unknown quantity (Krakouer) you guys are jumping off the kids??

MaCaffer, Blair and Goldsack may not be fantasy names like Tarrant and Krakouer, but they just won us a flag.

Blair is 20 and deserves a shot at becoming a very good inside midfielder. he did enough in his first season to suggest he can be player (Essendon game anyone??).

MaCaffer, 22, is a brilliant tackler, fantastic one on one and kicks goals. He is versatile and you could just see his confidence rise as his performances became more consistent.

Goldsack is the biggest question mark. He looks like a star one week and then the next week like a VFL player. I'd say he would relish a position to really call his own, and for me that position is sub.

I also saw someone dropping Toovey...WTF??? Have you ever seen a skinnier man attack the ball and ball carrier with such ferocity? Why do you think we were a cut above the opposition this season? Intensity and pressure, we know MaCaffer, Blair and Goldsack have it, guys like Davis (fell away badly in this area), Tarrant, Anthony and Krakouer still have question marks until they prove themselves in the system.

Simple team:

Toovey, Brown, Maxwell
O'Brien, Reid, Shaw
Thomas, Swan, Johnson
Didak, Cloke, Sidebottom
MaCaffer, Dawes, Beams
Jolly, Pendlebury, Wellingham

Ball, Brown, Blair
Sub: Goldsack.

E: Tarrant, Dick, Krakouer


The ones on the bench are the players I see as closest to dropping out of the team in order (Goldsack, Blair, Brown and Ball). And I say this because we should be hoping for improvement in so many of these "fringe" guys (Blair, Goldy, Caf, Beams, Sidebottom, Dawes) because they could be 200 game players, Tarrant has 2 seasons, Krakouer hopefully 4-5 and Davis probably 1.

I really hope Brad Dick can get himself back up and firing, because he too is young and is hopefully our future.
People so quickly drop the philosophy that got us the ultimate glory, just so you can look at a team and think it is unstoppable on paper...reality check, no team is. Our young blokes and their improvement will decide how far we go in 2011, as they did this year.

This isn't to say I don't hope Krakouer, Tarrant and Dick have great seasons, it's just we don't know where the form or fitness problems will come from yet. For now, I'm happy with the premiership side.

 

[Curto]

At the beginning of the year, no-one would have predicted MaCaffer, Brown, Blair or Toovey in our premiership team. Together with Medhurst, Fraser, Davis and Lockyer not being there.

I think in next year's premiership team there will be Tarrant, Krakeour and as yet unknown youngster that will step up. Try and pick that kid that will step up is more the question. I think Wood will improve next season enough to be there and who will be the other?

I think the reason we will maintain our hunger is that a spot in the team is not guaranteed to anyone and every player has to fight every minute of every game or risk giving up their spot to a gun who is frothing at the mouth for a chance..

 

[shawthing09]

At the beginning of the year, no-one would have predicted MaCaffer, Brown, Blair or Toovey in our premiership team. Together with Medhurst, Fraser, Davis and Lockyer not being there.

I think in next year's premiership team there will be Tarrant, Krakeour and as yet unknown youngster that will step up. Try and pick that kid that will step up is more the question. I think Wood will improve next season enough to be there and who will be the other?

I think the reason we will maintain our hunger is that a spot in the team is not guaranteed to anyone and every player has to fight every minute of every game or risk giving up their spot to a gun who is frothing at the mouth for a chance..

Wood is no chance unless Jolly gets injured, the new rule has pretty much killed the second ruckman. Carrying two specialist rucks (and despite how handy Jolly is up foward he is still a specialist ruck) is just not going to happen now.

 

[4#Didak#4]

FB: Alan Toovey - Nathan Brown - Nick Maxwell
HB: Harry O'Brien - Ben Reid - Heath Shaw
C: Dale Thomas - Dane Swan - Sharrod Wellingham
HF: Alan Didak - Travis Cloke - Andrew Krakouer
FF: Brad Dick - Chris Dawes - Brent MaCaffer

R: Jolly - Ball - Pendlebury

Interchange: Jarryd Blair, Leigh Brown, Steele Sidebottom

Substitute: Chris Tarrant

Emergencies: Ben Johnson, Tyson Goldsack, Dayne Beams

Horses for Courses: Leon Davis, Presti, Wood, Anthony

All the emergencies are well & truly capable of being in that side, totally interchangeable. Macaffer makes our forward line function well & must be in.

I have a MM inspired horses for courses line as well. Those guys can play important roles when required. Especially Presti who can come in and play on the monsters like Hall, Roughead, Mooney, J Brown.

 

[AsianWithAFro]

B: O'Brien N.Brown Maxwell
HB: Toovey Reid Shaw
C: Wellingham Pendlebury Johnson
HF: Sidebottom Cloke Krakouer
F: Macaffer Dawes L.Brown
Fol: Jolly Swan Thomas
Int: Beams Goldsack Blair
Sub: Tarrant

Emerg: Davis Dick Presti

 

[Ekunga]

FB: Nick Maxwell - Nathan Brown - Alan Toovey
HB: Heath Shaw - Ben Reid - Harry O'Brien
C: Dale Thomas - Dane Swan - Sharrod Wellingham
HF: Alan Didak - Travis Cloke – Jarrod Blair
FF: Steele Sidebottom - Chris Dawes - Dayne Beams
R: Darren Jolly - Scott Pendlebury - Luke Ball

Int: Tyson Goldsack/Ben Johnson, Brent Macaffer, Leigh Brown

Sub: Chris Tarrant

Emg: Andrew Krakouer, Leon Davis, Brad Dick, John Anthony, Presti, Wood, Ceglar.

I can see depth being the major driver of who plays and when in the year. I can see three tiers of players and multiple locations where they play.

There has become 6 major roles –
Ruck
Deep Defender
Rebounding Defender
Midfield
Wing
Forward

It’s a matter of maximising the ability for players to play more than 1 role if required.

Bold are Tier 1 players (Locked in their core role for 100% or so of game time)
Underline are Tier 2 players (Rotate through other roles on the ground)
• Rebound Defenders to Wing.
• Forwards to Wing and on Midfield.
• Midfield to Forwards and Wings.
• Wings to Forward or Rebound Defender.
Italics are swing players that are able to play in 3 of 6 major roles.
Sub is able to play in 4 of 6 Major Roles.

The emergencies include;
Krakouer as an unknown
Wood / Ceglar as backup ruckman. One of them needs to hit the gym hard this year to make a difference and maybe enable them to play 2 or 3 roles rather than just 1.
Davis and Dick as potential for tier 2 backup.
Anthony as Sub backup.
Presti as Tier one backup.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

FB: Tarrant - N Brown - Maxwell
HB: O'Brien - Reid - Shaw
C: Thomas - Swan - Wellingham
HF: Didak - Cloke - Krakouer
FF: Dick - Dawes - MaCaffer

R: Jolly - Ball - Pendlebury

Interchange: Johnson, L Brown, Sidebottom

Substitute: Goldsack

 

[pillager]

Ridiculous suggestions in bold.

Beams is a gun, easily best 22. He was in our best 10 this year and is a better player than Ball, Wellingham, Johnson, Sidebottom and a few others.

Lol.

Beams is a good player, but the above mentioned players are all superior to Beams, at least for now.

 

[dima17]

B: Nick Maxwell - Nathan Brown - Chris Tarrant
HB: Heath Shaw - Ben Reid - Harry O'Brien
C: Sharrod Wellingham - Dane Swan - Dale Thomas
HF: Andrew Krakouer - Travis Cloke - Alan Didak
F: Steele Sidebottom - Chris Dawes - Leon Davis
R: Darren Jolly - Scott Pendlebury - Luke Ball

I: Brent Macaffer - Ben Johnson - Leigh Brown

S: Dayne Beams/Alan Toovey

E (from): Dayne Beams/Alan Toovey -Simon Prestigiacomo - Jarryd Blair - Brad Dick - Tyson Goldsack - John Anthony

 

[bren_gc]

Lol.

Beams is a good player, but the above mentioned players are all superior to Beams, at least for now.

Agreed. I think towards the end of the year he was definitely in our bottom 6 players (out of the 22) on form. He 'could' be a gun. At the moment though he is a good player with some definite potention. But as pillager said, all the players you mentioned have had better years than him.

 

[4#Didak#4]

Lol.

Beams is a good player, but the above mentioned players are all superior to Beams, at least for now.

Beams is an interesting one. He is a midfielder who has been playing forward and did a good job at times during the year. Late in the year however he did tail off. I think the return of Dick & addition of Krak and likely improvement from Blair will put a lot of pressure on his position as a forward.

I have some doubts whether he can displace any of the current core of midfielders. Sidebottom & Wellingham have gone past him. Obviously injuries will happen and he will have plenty of oppurtunities to play in the midfield. However, it wouldn't hurt him to take a step back have a giant pre-season and work in the twos to become a genuine in and under gun midfielder with a view of eventually replacing Ball.

 

[gormanisahack]

FB- Johnson- Brown- Maxwell
HB- Shaw- Ried- O'Brien
C- Thomas- Ball- Wellingham
Hf- Didak- Cloke- Tarrant
FF- McCaffer- Dawes- Krakouer
Foll- Jolly- Pendlebury- Swan

Bench- Blair- Sidebottom- Anvil

Sub Beams/Toovey

Emergencies Toovey/Beams Goldsack McCarthy
Out: Beam/Toovey Goldsack just purely for their disposal, Toovey is much improved but still has by far the worst disposal by hand and foot, But MM loves him so he won't be dropped. Beams just purely on form which has been average in the last 10 rounds of 2010, including his kicking which let him down in both GF's. Finally Goldsack just purely because Tarrant can take his spot playing a defensive forward on the likes of fisher etc.

I think Krakouer starts as a small forward then will get his chance to move up into the midfield, and Tarrant can play as a swing man both forward and back which may limit Brown's game time.

 

[shawthing09]

Beams certainly dropped away towards the end of the season but on the season as a whole he was still in our top 10 players I think. He finished around 5th in our board awards for example. I think he certainly needs to improve his consistancy is the kind of guy who can have long quiet runs mixed in with epic top line performances. I also think late in the year he played a few pretty good games that he didn't get much credit for.

 

[johnny_5]

Our team for next Season

Im really happy with our two signings (Krakouer and Tarrant) from trade week...our side will be stronger next year and they will both be a reason why however... i just cant seem to answer who will be out of the side for these 2?

Thoughts??

 

[2bitHero]

Re: Our team for next Season

Hi Johnny, best check out the thread here, there's quite a debate on it

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=767205

 

[johnny_5]

Re: Our team for next Season

thanks for that mate..

 

[doppleganger]

Plenty o people seem to think that Krak will be a walk up start in the 22.

Not so sure about that...

I dont think he has ever been a good stay at home type forward pocket, he will have to play further up the ground.....but that means he is competing with our midfielders....guys like Didak, Steele, Beams, Wellers, B.Johnson, Goldsack, McCarthy and then even L.Davis and Dick if MM wants them to play higher up the ground

(I still hold out hope that Leon can have another great year playing higher up the ground!!)

Taz is a great pick-up, he really is a versatile player and could even play up on the wing if he is fit. Or he could take over Harry's role and release Harry to become a Goodes type big midfielder. Reid could also become a roming follower type player too if need be.

It just gives us plenty of options, and coverage (touch wood) for any injury.

Hopefully Jack has a massive pre-season and pushes for selection, although we all love the anvil he has never been a consistent player.....so plenty of spots in the side still up for grabs!!1

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Lol.

Beams is a good player, but the above mentioned players are all superior to Beams, at least for now.

Agreed. I think towards the end of the year he was definitely in our bottom 6 players (out of the 22) on form. He 'could' be a gun. At the moment though he is a good player with some definite potention. But as pillager said, all the players you mentioned have had better years than him.

You two have VERY short memories. People generally look at the last few games and judge the year like that, very similar to how players who have an amazing last 6-8 games but were average before hand can make AA and noone questions it but a player who had an amazing Round 1-19 and plays 3 average games at the end is "undeserving."

Sidebottom, Wellingham, Ball and Johnson were not better than Beams this year. In fact, 2 of them were nowhere near him.

Sidebottom had an epic 2 Grand finals but was very average in the period from about Round 10 to the beginning of the finals series. He was lucky to even be in the team from about Round 16 onwards and probably was selected because the coaching staff know that he steps it up at the right time. He did but his year wasn't even close to what Beams produced.

Ball had a good year and is more important to our structure but Beams played better football in more games this year. They both had some shockers but Beams played more excellent games. He was rubbish in the first Grand final as was Beams.

Wellingham started on fire and then lost form drastically after he came back into the team in Round 9. He was burning the ball left right and centre and had a few good games in between a lot of sub-par performances. People were calling for him to be dropped from about Round 17 right through to the second Grand Final, where he turned it on.

Johnson was probably the only one you could argue was as good or better than Beams this year. He too started the year on fire then had a poor patch but he came back to form quicker than Sidebottom or Wellingham.

I think people look at Beamsy's Grand Final showing and judge his year based on that but he was easily Top 10 at the club this year. He kicked 26 goals but still had over 500 disposals this year and was for a long time the best inside 50 converter in the comp. His inside 50's resulted in a greater percentage of scores than any other player in the comp, including the absolute elite. Beams is an absolute gun and is a starting 18 player, not even close to being pushed out of this team.

On the year it went (in my opinion)

Beams > Johnson > Ball > Wellingham > Sidebottom

Sidey's Grand Finals made his year look better in my opinion and for the most part, he was sub-par. He showed in the Grand Finals that he will be an absolute star of the comp one day but it doesn't mean he had an excellent year

As I said, short memories.

Beams is an interesting one. He is a midfielder who has been playing forward and did a good job at times during the year. Late in the year however he did tail off. I think the return of Dick & addition of Krak and likely improvement from Blair will put a lot of pressure on his position as a forward.

I have some doubts whether he can displace any of the current core of midfielders. Sidebottom & Wellingham have gone past him. Obviously injuries will happen and he will have plenty of oppurtunities to play in the midfield. However, it wouldn't hurt him to take a step back have a giant pre-season and work in the twos to become a genuine in and under gun midfielder with a view of eventually replacing Ball.

Disagree. He delivers it better into the 50 than both of them.
He kicks more goals, has more pace, is better overhead, is a more penetrating kick and delivers it better into the 50 than Sidey and is therefore the better half forward and Wellingham's inconsistency means he is behind Beams at the moment. I think Wellingham has awesome potential though and will probably be the best of the 3 long-term. Both Sidey and Beams are excellent decision makers by foot but sell their teammates into trouble sometimes by hand. Sidey moves more smoothly and is dual sided so he looks to have better disposal than Beams but the reality is that he doesn't.

Beams certainly dropped away towards the end of the season but on the season as a whole he was still in our top 10 players I think. He finished around 5th in our board awards for example. I think he certainly needs to improve his consistancy is the kind of guy who can have long quiet runs mixed in with epic top line performances. I also think late in the year he played a few pretty good games that he didn't get much credit for.

I think this is a pretty accurate assessment.
People let a couple of late below par performances cloud their judgement on players. He had an excellent year.

 

[Number 10]

^^ spot on, couldn't have said it better. Beams is a superstar and people have forgotten what he was doing earlier in the season.

He is an absolute jet and I hope he gets more time in the midfield next year because he has one of the most (if not the most) potent boot going inside 50.

 

[shawthing09]

Just had a proper look at a few of the teams perposed. I deffinately think that some people here need

Out- Crack (The drug not the player), Imagination
In - Rehab, Common sense.

 

[Quicky]

Plenty o people seem to think that Krak will be a walk up start in the 22.

Not so sure about that...

I dont think he has ever been a good stay at home type forward pocket, he will have to play further up the ground.....but that means he is competing with our midfielders....guys like Didak, Steele, Beams, Wellers, B.Johnson, Goldsack, McCarthy and then even L.Davis and Dick if MM wants them to play higher up the ground

(I still hold out hope that Leon can have another great year playing higher up the ground!!)

I think it would be a waste for us not to use krakouer in his preferred position as a midfielder (albeit resting half forward like alot of our mids do). I actually think he will be great in this role as a midfielder as he will be getting less attention and really stretching the oppositions midfield depth as he will essentially be our last midfielder. He could be in for a big year in this role. I think Blair and Johnson are the two that are in trouble for their positions in the team from Krak.

Just having a crack at a really early 22 I think we may look like this:

FB: ----O'Brien------N Brown----Toovey-----
HB: ----Shaw--------Reid-------Maxwell-----

C: ----Thomas-------Swan-----Wellingham---
Fol: ----Jolly---------Ball-------Pendlebury---

HF: ----Didak--------Cloke-------Beams-----
FF: ---Macaffer-----Dawes-----Sidebottom---

Int: L Brown, Krakouer, Johnson Sub: Tarrant

From our premiership side that Tarrant in for Goldsack and Krakouer in for Blair. Dick is an interesting option but someone that can't really be considered until he has a good preseason and maybe some VFL form too.

 

[iGNITER]

Best 22 - Season 2011

Hey Guys

Still cant believe we are the PREMIERS!

Back to business for next year and target back to back flags.

I know its a bit early and even before the national draft has even taken place but its always interesting to see what peoples thoughts are on our best 22 for next season.

I know its pretty hard to change a Premiership winning team.

We already have added a couple of good inclusions in Tarrant and Krakouer.

I doubt any of our draftees/Ceglar will crack into the 22 next season but will develop strongly in the VFL alongside Josh Thomas, Sinclair etc.

Thoughts?

 

[haydenboii]

Re: Best 22 - Season 2011

B: B.Johnson N.Brown/S.Prestigiacomo H.Obrien
HB: H.Shaw B.Reid N.Maxwell
C: D.Thomas S.Pendelbury A.Didak
HF: D.Beams T.Cloke C.Tarrant
F: A.Krakouer C.Dawes B.Dick
R: D.Jolly L.Ball D.Swan
B: J.Blair S.Sidebottom S.Wellingham B.Macaffer

Emerg: T.Goldsack S.Buckley L.Rounds

 

[daics_35]

Re: Best 22 - Season 2011

If Beams doesnt improve next year I think he can well become a fringe player and battle for a spot in the 21. He hasnt impressed me much this year apart from the round 9 game against Geelong.