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So were CUB sponsors back then?
Holding a can of EMU while getting his medal
Love to see that nowadays.Training Pre-Season 2023 (First game 18/3 v North)
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So were CUB sponsors back then?
Holding a can of EMU while getting his medal
Love to see that nowadays.
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He definitely copped it early on as well, when he’d have games where he got 15 scoring opportunities and finish with 5.8 and two out of bounds off on the full.
I feel the term whipping boy is so overused. Seems any player who gets criticism is instantly a whipping boy.
The only genuine actual whipping boy was Swift IMO. The club, and then subsequently fan treatment of him was bad. Jeered and heckled like he's an oppo player ffs. Totally unfairly maligned.
Brayden was genuinely awful, Langdon too. You don't get paid out and cut from the final year of your contract if you're a "whipping boy".
Marsden is a hard one. High draft pick played 200+ games and got his medal in the end, but he was the furthest thing from a player who endeared himself with fans. I will say though, when I hear nuffie comments about him being a turnover merchant or having poor skills, which is totally wrong, I tend to think he's a whipping boy given its unfair criticism.
Bock and Gunston = Fan favs.
The only genuine actual whipping boy was Swift IMO. The club, and then subsequently fan treatment of him was bad. Jeered and heckled like he's an oppo player ffs. Totally unfairly maligned.
Brayden was genuinely awful, Langdon too. You don't get paid out and cut from the final year of your contract if you're a "whipping boy".
Marsden is a hard one. High draft pick played 200+ games and got his medal in the end, but he was the furthest thing from a player who endeared himself with fans. I will say though, when I hear nuffie comments about him being a turnover merchant or having poor skills, which is totally wrong, I tend to think he's a whipping boy given its unfair criticism.
Bock and Gunston = Fan favs.
Nah it’s scapegoat players who get blamed for the team’s failures, even when it’s not their fault necessarily.
eg Jetta was Simmo’s whipping boy
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Seems to have a great attitude and certainly doesn’t sound like the sort of bloke that would push a teammate in the back during a match sim
Interesting comment re Sheed and him being a very smart footballer that he’s been learning from along with Kelly
About a year ago, Jai Culley sat down with his Dandenong Stingrays coach Nick Cox and agreed it was time to “have a crack”.
Not just an everyday crack. A real crack.
Culley was 193 centimetres, about to turn 19 and needed to bridge the gap between where he was and where kids getting drafted were.
It wasn’t a question of work ethic. You only had to look at Culley’s life to know that.
In the mornings he would work at his local Langwarrin supermarket, then dedicate the day to gym training, the evening to footy training with the Stingrays and then finish by working at a Charcoal Chicken store after training.
But he had been late to be picked up by the talent development pathway in Victoria so, athletically, he was off the pace of others.
“It was just my endurance. When I first got into the under 18 programs I was a fair way behind,” Culley told CODE Sports. “I wasn’t in the under 16s and under 15s programs where others around me started to develop. There was fitness and training that I didn’t get to do and I always felt I was behind in that area.
“I was a late bloomer. The guys in those 15 and 16s programs were growing around me and I was always smaller and skinnier. I didn’t develop until the 17 or 18 age mark. Then I grew and put on weight and started to get noticed.”
No club spoke to Culley ahead of the 2021 draft.
He had no expectation of being selected.
Still, four Dandenong Stingrays teammates were picked and one of them, Mac Andrew, went in the top five. It was the motivation Culley needed to work even harder and the talk from Cox indicated the dream might not be as far off as it had previously seemed.
“He spoke to me early in the pre-season and he said we are going to have a genuine crack to get me looked at in the mid-season draft,” Culley recalled. “He told me to have a crack, anything can happen, work hard and it paid off in the end.”
About three weeks before the mid-season rookie drafts, AFL clubs started ringing Culley to find out more about him. Then, about three days before the draft, Eagles coach Adam Simpson called.
Not many coaches take the time to ring a draft prospect, Culley thought.
He had a feeling he was heading west.
As the Eagles close in on round one, Culley is closing in on a round one berth. Not in the injury depleted team he played four games with last year. But an Eagles line-up close to full strength.
When asked if he had reflected on his remarkable 12 month journey, Culley stressed his focus was on round one. Build from there. Time for reflection at the end of the season.
Retired champion Josh Kennedy said this was the trait that stood out about Culley from the moment he walked inside the club: not satisfied where he was and determined to improve to get where he wants to be.
“Sometimes you don’t know what to expect with younger guys,” Kennedy told SEN on Tuesday. “It just seemed like he understood it. He got it. He knew he had to work on this and he had to put time into that. He didn’t leave any stone unturned.
“He is going to be someone who gets the best out of himself. He is pretty switched on. He knows what he wants to be and he has his process in place and he is disciplined in sticking to those processes. He is not settled on being where he is. He wants to get up there and be one of the best in the competition.”
Several times this pre-season, Adam Simpson has made mention of Culley’s work ethic when asked to point out the standard setters in training.
West Coast has been a hungry football club this summer, determined to re-establish itself after a 2022 riddled by injuries, Covid-19 complications, big losses and criticism of the club’s fitness levels.
Several stars are noticeably leaner.
Culley, still yet to turn 20, is the first to arrive at training and the last to leave, one observer said. He believes it is the best way to earn respect.
“It was internal. I had that belief. I knew that if I wanted to get there it was on me,” Culley said. “Last year in the AFL I felt like I was fit but I wasn’t fit enough to completely keep up.”
He decided his two kilometre time trial time – which had been steadily improving over three years – had to improve further.
The last time he did one he ran 6.03.
“The year that I was in the under 18s program we had four or five drafted, and that included Mac Andrew who was top five,” he said. “That was pretty motivating for me. It felt like one week I was playing with them and the next week they were drafted. I told myself if they can get there why not me.”
He continued: “I was trying to pick all of their brains. Over the pre-season I have loved training with Dom Sheed and Tim Kelly. Dom goes under the radar a bit with Victorians because no-one really talks about him but he is one of the smartest footballers going around. I try to pick his brain quite a bit.
“I think I am adjusting pretty well. I am just trying to develop the ability to be a permanent midfielder week in and week out. Develop and work hard and earn respect.
“In the past few years I have thought my work ethic was high and I wanted to continue that wherever I went. It is how I think I earn respect. Whether it is touch, revision – I just want to give it one hundred per cent.”
Culley admits last year was “pretty crazy”.
“Being in Victoria, then literally moving over here in a day, then playing AFL four or five weeks later … but I am absolutely loving it and wouldn’t change it for anything,” he said.
He is being trained as a midfielder who goes forward. One of the other youngsters vying for a spot in the midfield is Reuben Ginbey, drafted last year and looking likely to split time between midfield and half back.
What if the bloke fighting for that last spot in the midfield is Ginbey, a youngster like you, I asked him.
“Why not both of us, eh?” he replied.
Interesting comment re Sheed and him being a very smart footballer that he’s been learning from along with Kelly
About a year ago, Jai Culley sat down with his Dandenong Stingrays coach Nick Cox and agreed it was time to “have a crack”.
Not just an everyday crack. A real crack.
Culley was 193 centimetres, about to turn 19 and needed to bridge the gap between where he was and where kids getting drafted were.
It wasn’t a question of work ethic. You only had to look at Culley’s life to know that.
In the mornings he would work at his local Langwarrin supermarket, then dedicate the day to gym training, the evening to footy training with the Stingrays and then finish by working at a Charcoal Chicken store after training.
But he had been late to be picked up by the talent development pathway in Victoria so, athletically, he was off the pace of others.
“It was just my endurance. When I first got into the under 18 programs I was a fair way behind,” Culley told CODE Sports. “I wasn’t in the under 16s and under 15s programs where others around me started to develop. There was fitness and training that I didn’t get to do and I always felt I was behind in that area.
“I was a late bloomer. The guys in those 15 and 16s programs were growing around me and I was always smaller and skinnier. I didn’t develop until the 17 or 18 age mark. Then I grew and put on weight and started to get noticed.”
No club spoke to Culley ahead of the 2021 draft.
He had no expectation of being selected.
Still, four Dandenong Stingrays teammates were picked and one of them, Mac Andrew, went in the top five. It was the motivation Culley needed to work even harder and the talk from Cox indicated the dream might not be as far off as it had previously seemed.
“He spoke to me early in the pre-season and he said we are going to have a genuine crack to get me looked at in the mid-season draft,” Culley recalled. “He told me to have a crack, anything can happen, work hard and it paid off in the end.”
About three weeks before the mid-season rookie drafts, AFL clubs started ringing Culley to find out more about him. Then, about three days before the draft, Eagles coach Adam Simpson called.
Not many coaches take the time to ring a draft prospect, Culley thought.
He had a feeling he was heading west.
As the Eagles close in on round one, Culley is closing in on a round one berth. Not in the injury depleted team he played four games with last year. But an Eagles line-up close to full strength.
When asked if he had reflected on his remarkable 12 month journey, Culley stressed his focus was on round one. Build from there. Time for reflection at the end of the season.
Retired champion Josh Kennedy said this was the trait that stood out about Culley from the moment he walked inside the club: not satisfied where he was and determined to improve to get where he wants to be.
“Sometimes you don’t know what to expect with younger guys,” Kennedy told SEN on Tuesday. “It just seemed like he understood it. He got it. He knew he had to work on this and he had to put time into that. He didn’t leave any stone unturned.
“He is going to be someone who gets the best out of himself. He is pretty switched on. He knows what he wants to be and he has his process in place and he is disciplined in sticking to those processes. He is not settled on being where he is. He wants to get up there and be one of the best in the competition.”
Several times this pre-season, Adam Simpson has made mention of Culley’s work ethic when asked to point out the standard setters in training.
West Coast has been a hungry football club this summer, determined to re-establish itself after a 2022 riddled by injuries, Covid-19 complications, big losses and criticism of the club’s fitness levels.
Several stars are noticeably leaner.
Culley, still yet to turn 20, is the first to arrive at training and the last to leave, one observer said. He believes it is the best way to earn respect.
“It was internal. I had that belief. I knew that if I wanted to get there it was on me,” Culley said. “Last year in the AFL I felt like I was fit but I wasn’t fit enough to completely keep up.”
He decided his two kilometre time trial time – which had been steadily improving over three years – had to improve further.
The last time he did one he ran 6.03.
“The year that I was in the under 18s program we had four or five drafted, and that included Mac Andrew who was top five,” he said. “That was pretty motivating for me. It felt like one week I was playing with them and the next week they were drafted. I told myself if they can get there why not me.”
He continued: “I was trying to pick all of their brains. Over the pre-season I have loved training with Dom Sheed and Tim Kelly. Dom goes under the radar a bit with Victorians because no-one really talks about him but he is one of the smartest footballers going around. I try to pick his brain quite a bit.
“I think I am adjusting pretty well. I am just trying to develop the ability to be a permanent midfielder week in and week out. Develop and work hard and earn respect.
“In the past few years I have thought my work ethic was high and I wanted to continue that wherever I went. It is how I think I earn respect. Whether it is touch, revision – I just want to give it one hundred per cent.”
Culley admits last year was “pretty crazy”.
“Being in Victoria, then literally moving over here in a day, then playing AFL four or five weeks later … but I am absolutely loving it and wouldn’t change it for anything,” he said.
He is being trained as a midfielder who goes forward. One of the other youngsters vying for a spot in the midfield is Reuben Ginbey, drafted last year and looking likely to split time between midfield and half back.
What if the bloke fighting for that last spot in the midfield is Ginbey, a youngster like you, I asked him.
“Why not both of us, eh?” he replied.
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Swift - He was (very unfairly) maligned.
But I think there have been a few others. For some the criticism was largely justified and some did bring a lot of it on themselves by playing on too long and putting themselves ($) ahead of what was best for the club, but they did become whipping boys who lost support of the fans and could do no right.
RoJo - was he the original?
Chad Fletcher - classic case of went on two years too long. To the detriment of the team. Went from a solid #4 or 5 mid to a slow, hesitant, inaccurate, poor decision making half back who was so devoid of confidence that he was only capable of receiving easy possessions and then would only look backwards when he got it. Became a whipping boy. And probably deserved it. Could have gone out fondly regarded but by hanging around for the $...
Marsden - was very much a whipping boy to some. And unfairly so. Sure, just like Judd he was a #3 pick. But he was never going to be Judd MkII and some could never forgive him for that. They forget the same trade got us our best ever KPF (and an absolute bust). Marsden was a solid mid who was never going to dominate and who was decent at his role. Just not ever Juddesque. I'd call him a whipping boy.
But yes, the term is over-used. Like Legend and a few others.
Haha when do we start getting nervous he hasn’t signed an extension yet?, the clubs normally pretty quick to extend a talented youngster, Chesser was extended fairly quickly last year.
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I remember Rowan Jones being a bit of a whipping boy in the 06 Premiership year but maybe that was just my circle.
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Unless he is somehow stopped being slow as treacle i doubt it .
Masten not entirely unfair. Had the obligatory run down caught HTB most weeks, and got brushed aside like an annoying mozzie when he tried to tackle. Used to miss a few goals directly in front too.
To his credit though he was a fantastic kick into F50, an excellent user of the footy when he had time and space, and a jubilant team man.
He also went beserker in a couple of games in 2018 where he seemed to stand a foot taller with some great physicality, like a switch was flipped or something, but then it kind of disappeared the following week.
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Written like a true whipper snapper, ignoring all the old whipping boys that you only know of through stories.
Not to worry, children will age you quickly
He wasn’t didn’t live up to pick 3 material but everytime we were up and about he was playing great footy. I thibk Thats systematic to the role he plays. Gaffs sorta the same but a better a player
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What pleases me the most about both Culley and Ginbey is a common theme of work rate when they get mentioned.
Both seem to have that extra drive to be the absolute best they can be.
Add in both are 190cm+ and we've got the building blocks for a very good inside midfield for years to come.
The 2 whipping boys who's treatment by the fan base infuriated me the most were Tom swift and Fraser Gehrig. I've always thought it would be better to be a whipping boy than irrelevant but some of the crap these guys copped by fans were way over the top and in no way justified.
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Keyser is a bit of a whipping boy on this board to be honest, with the amount of memes.
*whipping gentleman
If he isn't signed up by the bye then it gets a little concerning.
But gut feel is both he and the club know his contract value is likely lowest it can be at the moment (I.e. if he re-signs now it is on a wage rating him as a fringe B22 mid). He's pretty likely to play R1, and he would back himself to hold his spot.
He can get a decent pay bump by playing well for the first 6 or so weeks.
The club has the cap room going forward, so better off getting him on a fair contract rather than underpaying and having him want to leave part way through.
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McDougall wasn't even that bad really. He kicked 35 goals in 2004 after only playing 12 games. That's like a Rory Lobb career season.
Matty Spanger was a bit wip'ish at WC
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