Training Pre-Season 2023 (First game 18/3 v North)

[Chris_6678]

Would you really need a full time dietician? What would they do for 40 hours a week and 50 or so weeks a year? I would have thought you could have one you pay a consulting fee to to come up with a program for each player maybe.

What highlights of ready steady cook

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

So Shuey said to have a “niggle”whilst doubt on the round 1 availability of Naitanui and Darling for round 1 according to Duffield

Leads him into a discussion on striking the balance between getting older players back into the side vs exposing younger ones to AFL level.

Don’t entirely agree with what he’s saying but it makes for a decent read





The 2023 season could be a case of be careful what you wish for West Coast fans.
On the one hand, there is evidence that stars like Elliot Yeo and Liam Ryan are returning to their best. And youngsters like Campbell Chesser, Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett appear primed to offer the club plenty in the mid-to-long term.


On the other, there was West Coast’s Monday morning training session and the perils of relying on the old rather than exploring the value of the young.

Jack Darling was on Mineral Resources Park’s second oval doing some light skill work and testing his injured left ankle but not looking like a player likely to get up for round one, as the club hopes he will.

And that was the good news. Nic Naitanui, who missed Friday night’s clash with Port with Achilles tendon soreness, appeared briefly on the track but left again. The Eagles aren’t sure if he will play in their round one dress rehearsal against Adelaide later in the week.

Then there was captain Luke Shuey, who appeared to the side of training but didn’t take part in main drills, doing some light work with fellow veteran midfielder Dom Sheed.

Officially, Shuey is being managed but the Eagles have confirmed there is a “niggle”. The skipper has missed both of the club’s last two match simulations – among themselves on March 17 and Friday night’s hit out against Port Adelaide.

That points more to an injury than management. And even if Shuey is being managed, doing so before he has even played an opponent doesn’t augur well for getting through the season with flying colours. The same could be said for Naitanui.

If they have a good run with injury – and if their stars return to something close to their best – West Coast will climb the ladder from last year’s 17th. But how far?

The best of Yeo, Ryan and Co. will get the Eagles up the table and may even drive them into the bottom end of the eight. But Ginbey, Hewett, Chesser and co are far more likely to be part of the push for the club’s next premiership.

If the Eagles needed evidence of this it came in the last few days. While Ginbey did not play in the win against Port Adelaide on Friday night Chesser and Hewett did.

Chesser, who has barely played football for three seasons because of a combination of injuries and the Covid pandemic which all but shut down junior football in Victoria, offered enough to suggest he is further advanced than he could reasonably be expected to be.

In the last quarter of the game Hewett, the Eagles second pick in the first round of last year’s national draft, not only entered the contest against Port but decided it, winning a critical clearance for his club then kicking the brilliant goal from a stoppage that edged them ahead.

He was a fresh young player competing against tired, older ones who had played three more quarters of football than he had. But, even allowing for that, this was a case of talent that doesn’t fall off the back of trucks, or arrive very often from the draft picks you get by finishing ninth on the ladder.

He handled the ball cleanly and strongly below his knees, spotted where dangerous space was and found a way to get there, doing something worthy with the ball when he arrived.

So, how many youngsters will miss chances to play in getting the oldies out there to get them there?

Ginbey, Hewett and Chesser all look capable of playing anyway but others may get squeezed. Brady Hough looked promising last year but has been with the “Possibles” not the “Probables” in match simulations of recent weeks.

The decision for Shannon Hurn to go on has meant Josh Rotham is also outside of the likely round one best 22 at this point, despite clearly having a big summer and playing well in most match simulations.

So finally somebody in the media writes an article about the elephant in the room and the choices the club now has to make. Going down the pathway the club says it wants to go down, i.e. playing all the older players and trying to get back into the 8, has a cost attached to it.

Why did nobody in the media point this out and ask follow up questions of Nisbett and that muppet from the board they rolled out to do those scripted interviews 6 months ago where they indicated this was the intended direction of travel going going forward?

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Anyone notice the first 24 mins of that stream is Ross glendenning and the media guy just talking random crap and dropping f bombs not sure they realise there on live

WTF no replay...
Wanted to hear Rosco cursing.

 

[Rowan18]

Would you really need a full time dietician? What would they do for 40 hours a week and 50 or so weeks a year? I would have thought you could have one you pay a consulting fee to to come up with a program for each player maybe.

I consulted one when training for a marathon and all he did was input data into software which told me how much of what food to eat. The club would only need a part time one to keep on top of individual plans for athletes.

 

[Rowan18]

So finally somebody in the media writes an article about the elephant in the room and the choices the club now has to make. Going down the pathway the club says it wants to go down, i.e. playing all the older players and trying to get back into the 8, has a cost attached to it.

Why did nobody in the media point this out and ask follow up questions of Nisbett and that muppet from the board they rolled out to do those scripted interviews 6 months ago where they indicated this was the intended direction of travel going going forward?

I figure Shuey and Nic Nat will take care of themselves. Their bodies are cooked and they won't play many games. Could even retire mid season.

Hurn is still in good form, so if the kids want his spot they'll have to earn it.

Gaff is the problem to me. If he plays like he did on Friday (lots of possession but lots of turnovers) he should be dropped, but I doubt the club will do it because they're stressing over him being one of the highest paid players at the club.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I’m an old Kent and I refuse to call it anything other than a scratch match, because that’s what it was a scratch match, just because some new age afl peanut with beard oil, pointy shiny shoes and pants that are too tight for him decides to call it a match simulation, what wenkers!

 

[WCErevival]

At this time of the year, any minor niggle is going to be managed with the maximum caution. If we were close to finals or in them, Shuey and Naitanui would probably be playing.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

So Shuey said to have a “niggle”whilst doubt on the round 1 availability of Naitanui and Darling for round 1 according to Duffield

Leads him into a discussion on striking the balance between getting older players back into the side vs exposing younger ones to AFL level.

Don’t entirely agree with what he’s saying but it makes for a decent read





The 2023 season could be a case of be careful what you wish for West Coast fans.
On the one hand, there is evidence that stars like Elliot Yeo and Liam Ryan are returning to their best. And youngsters like Campbell Chesser, Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett appear primed to offer the club plenty in the mid-to-long term.


On the other, there was West Coast’s Monday morning training session and the perils of relying on the old rather than exploring the value of the young.

Jack Darling was on Mineral Resources Park’s second oval doing some light skill work and testing his injured left ankle but not looking like a player likely to get up for round one, as the club hopes he will.

And that was the good news. Nic Naitanui, who missed Friday night’s clash with Port with Achilles tendon soreness, appeared briefly on the track but left again. The Eagles aren’t sure if he will play in their round one dress rehearsal against Adelaide later in the week.

Then there was captain Luke Shuey, who appeared to the side of training but didn’t take part in main drills, doing some light work with fellow veteran midfielder Dom Sheed.

Officially, Shuey is being managed but the Eagles have confirmed there is a “niggle”. The skipper has missed both of the club’s last two match simulations – among themselves on March 17 and Friday night’s hit out against Port Adelaide.

That points more to an injury than management. And even if Shuey is being managed, doing so before he has even played an opponent doesn’t augur well for getting through the season with flying colours. The same could be said for Naitanui.

If they have a good run with injury – and if their stars return to something close to their best – West Coast will climb the ladder from last year’s 17th. But how far?

The best of Yeo, Ryan and Co. will get the Eagles up the table and may even drive them into the bottom end of the eight. But Ginbey, Hewett, Chesser and co are far more likely to be part of the push for the club’s next premiership.

If the Eagles needed evidence of this it came in the last few days. While Ginbey did not play in the win against Port Adelaide on Friday night Chesser and Hewett did.

Chesser, who has barely played football for three seasons because of a combination of injuries and the Covid pandemic which all but shut down junior football in Victoria, offered enough to suggest he is further advanced than he could reasonably be expected to be.

In the last quarter of the game Hewett, the Eagles second pick in the first round of last year’s national draft, not only entered the contest against Port but decided it, winning a critical clearance for his club then kicking the brilliant goal from a stoppage that edged them ahead.

He was a fresh young player competing against tired, older ones who had played three more quarters of football than he had. But, even allowing for that, this was a case of talent that doesn’t fall off the back of trucks, or arrive very often from the draft picks you get by finishing ninth on the ladder.

He handled the ball cleanly and strongly below his knees, spotted where dangerous space was and found a way to get there, doing something worthy with the ball when he arrived.

So, how many youngsters will miss chances to play in getting the oldies out there to get them there?

Ginbey, Hewett and Chesser all look capable of playing anyway but others may get squeezed. Brady Hough looked promising last year but has been with the “Possibles” not the “Probables” in match simulations of recent weeks.

The decision for Shannon Hurn to go on has meant Josh Rotham is also outside of the likely round one best 22 at this point, despite clearly having a big summer and playing well in most match simulations.

Our oh so fragile veterans. Who would've guessed? Training intensity ramps up and they break down...again.

At the end of last season there was an argument for ripping the band aid off, giving these blokes a gold watch and letting them ride into the sunset. Instead we've favoured the hope of a dead cat bounce 2023.

We'll see who fronts up for Round 1 but if Nicnat/Shuey or any other anyone else in the category isn't available then it may be the case of short term pain for longer term gain. The injury gods maybe doing us a favour. It'll suck losing to Norf though, especially after the circumstances surrounding last year's game.

 

[DanWCE]

WTF no replay...
Wanted to hear Rosco cursing.

It actually was available for replay, but I'm guessing the comments in this thread probably made their way to social media and the club has quickly pulled the video down.

 

[Keys]

It actually was available for replay, but I'm guessing the comments in this thread probably made their way to social media and the club has quickly pulled the video down.

Hopefully they put it back up after it’s had some editing

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Anyone know how Ginbey trained after he missed the match simulation?

 

[JackOutback]

Would you really need a full time dietician? What would they do for 40 hours a week and 50 or so weeks a year? I would have thought you could have one you pay a consulting fee to to come up with a program for each player maybe.

Need a full-time one for Gov alone.

 

[Bender_]

I’m an old Kent and I refuse to call it anything other than a scratch match, because that’s what it was a scratch match, just because some new age afl peanut with beard oil, pointy shiny shoes and pants that are too tight for him decides to call it a match simulation, what wenkers!

LOL I do all 3 of those things.

 

[wirra44]

Hopefully they put it back up after it’s had some editing

Haha I was actually going to message them but I listened to it all and there didn’t seem to be anything too badbesides the odd f bomb, apparently schoey loves the backstreet boys and any bloke that says otherwise is a ****en liar, he said he went to the concert last night and was slightly hung over

 

[PremiershipNo4]

LOL I do all 3 of those things.

Exactly, just proves my point!

 

[PremiershipNo4]

LOL I do all 3 of those things.

 

[Dark Sharks]

If RM's count as pointy shiny shoes you can lock me up and throw away the key.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Match stimulation

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Maybe next year it can be - player matrix trials

 

[PremiershipNo4]

It’s a ****ing scratch match

 

[Keys]

It’s a ******* scratch match

Ok boomer

 

[Bender_]

If RM's count as pointy shiny shoes you can lock me up and throw away the key.

Consider me Miles Davis.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Gaff just needs more time to synergise with the other inside mids. Absolute bullshit!

 

[Dark Sharks]

How good was AFLX though

 

[bUCKET__]

Here's my WCE BF board whipping boy power rankings for the preseason

1 Gaff
2 Witherden
3 Williams
4 Petruccelle
5 Cripps
6 Waterman
7 Sheed
8 HEdwards
9 Duggan
10 Shuey