Training Pre-Season 2023 (First game 18/3 v North)

[bUCKET__]

Rothy looking more and more like Mitch Brown every season

Ever since we tried him forward

 

[shooshka]

XONs gotta be the one to step up in the guts this season. Put on some size, long apprenticeship, aging stars around him. Time to be the battering ram while the yoof get little looks in here and there.

I think there is a role there for him, but my guess would be if Culley stays fit then he will be the (dare I say it) - Redden replacement.

What Xon can hopefully do is take mid time away from Yeo and Shuey - as those guys get pushed to back and forward flanks respectively. Would be a win for all concerned.

 

[Spooky17]

I think there is a role there for him, but my guess would be if Culley stays fit then he will be the (dare I say it) - Redden replacement.

What Xon can hopefully do is take mid time away from Yeo and Shuey - as those guys get pushed to back and forward flanks respectively. Would be a win for all concerned.

It’s nice having competition for spots to drive up standards. The boys are in great shape this year, definitely keen to redeem themselves after the nightmare that was last season.

 

[Obeanie1]

Ever since we tried him forward

Hope he stays forward.

 

[FKASC]

The video might not be in slow motion though

 

[larrikin]

Slow motion joke

 

[Doashuey]

The video might not be in slow motion though

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

XON has been on the list for a while now. I think he needs to be able to command a spot in the 22 on merit by the end of this year (as opposed to being given a game to try and accelerate development) or there might need to be a black texta put through his name.

Not sure why people are so quick to bag the likes of Waterman and Winder but give XON a free pass for being a very slow developer.

 

[Doashuey]

XON has been on the list for a while now. I think he needs to be able to command a spot in the 22 on merit by the end of this year (as opposed to being to try and accelerate devlopment) or there might need to be a black texta put through his name.

I think he did last year.
Had a breakout game against Pies, was our best mid in that game then gets dropped the next week for the credits crew fresh off injury breaks. You campaigners know what happened next.
I don't think he was gifted any games last year at all and earnt every one of them and probably deserved more. I'm bullish about him this year. But you are correct in that it is now or never for XoN. With a healthy list of young aspiring mids, he needs to take his chance now or he will drop out.

 

[DanWCE]

That scene annoys me so much.

 

[THE A5]

Guys reckon Ainsworth is having a break out year this season

 

[Doashuey]

That scene annoys me so much.

Not a smart move Dan...

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

He'll get called fat regardless of how he looks.

Painted with the lazy tag whenever he zones off his opponent and it backfires.

Kornes calling him fat last year, despite him being in arguably the best shape of his career was peak Kane.

Sorry DS but Kornes was still right.
McGovern a senior player vice captain and leader of the club and highest paid footballer in WCE existence
His conditioning last year is not good enough for all of the above
He should be setting the example not just getting by
Its and inditement on the club they have let seniors players get away with poor conditioning for too long

The fact he averages what 16 games a year over his history shows he is injury prone, which can be linked to his fitness

Its good this year he actually looks good for a change

 

[FKASC]

Its good this year he actually looks good for a change

Now you’ve jinxed him

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Sorry DS but Kornes was still right.
McGovern a senior player vice captain and leader of the club and highest paid footballer in WCE existence
His conditioning last year is not good enough for all of the above
He should be setting the example not just getting by
Its and inditement on the club they have let seniors players get away with poor conditioning for too long

The fact he averages what 16 games a year over his history shows he is injury prone, which can be linked to his fitness

Its good this year he actually looks good for a change

Not commenting on McGovern specifically. But to your general point about senior players being out of shape, whoever is responsible for that should be fired.

And i doubt it is the S&C staff themselves. To be in the S&C department of an AFL club you probably need a PHD in exercise physiology and a decade of experience and success in similar roles. It is not like these guys don't know how to get players in shape.

I am sure they were tearing their hair out and considered it a big black stain on their professional credibility and brand to have had fat players with big guts hanging out jogging around the park in the last few years. I highly suspect that somebody above them intervened and came up with and imposed this policy on them of trusting senior players and giving them lighter loads in pre season etc. I just don't believe that the out of shape epidemic we had with our senior players would have hapenned if the S&C guys had a free hand to make them do the loads that they thought required for them to be in shape.

 

[shooshka]

Sorry DS but Kornes was still right.
McGovern a senior player vice captain and leader of the club and highest paid footballer in WCE existence
His conditioning last year is not good enough for all of the above
He should be setting the example not just getting by
Its and inditement on the club they have let seniors players get away with poor conditioning for too long

The fact he averages what 16 games a year over his history shows he is injury prone, which can be linked to his fitness

Its good this year he actually looks good for a change

Nope Cornes (and you) are/were categorically wrong.

His conditioning prior to 2022 was average/poor no doubt. And 100% agree with all you are saying about needing to set the standard etc.

But 2022 and 2023, Gov has been fit, slim and setting the standard. And his 2022 injury was not fitness related (pre 2022 injuries some were certainly conditioning related).

The change happened last pre-season, not this one. And whilst we had plenty of fat, lazy, out-of-shape and underprepared players - Gov was not one of them in 2022.

 

[WCErevival]

XON has been on the list for a while now. I think he needs to be able to command a spot in the 22 on merit by the end of this year (as opposed to being given a game to try and accelerate development) or there might need to be a black texta put through his name.

Not sure why people are so quick to bag the likes of Waterman and Winder but give XON a free pass for being a very slow developer.

Well Waterman has played about 3 times as many games as XON.

 

[Chris_6678]

Eagles premiership stars won’t be rushed into match sim

As most West Coast players took part in match simulation, some of the Eagles’ stars of past Septembers were taking an easy-does-it approach to game action in January.

thewest.com.au

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Eagles premiership stars won’t be rushed into match sim

As most West Coast players took part in match simulation, some of the Eagles’ stars of past Septembers were taking an easy-does-it approach to game action in January.

thewest.com.au

Paywalled article so I'm reacting to a headline but I still find this bloody annoying and frustrating.

Seriously when will we ever learn? Part of our problems post 2019 has been senior players taking too many liberties in pre-season. Did we really benefit last season by having Shuey go at half rat power to get through games?

I've had it up to here with "modified program", "light duties", "easing back into the season".

It's simple. Unless you've had surgery over the summer you'll be expected to do a FULL pre-season. If a player can't/won't then it's time they were tapped on the shoulder.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Well Waterman has played about 3 times as many games as XON.

If they both joined the club in the same year, and Waterman's form has warranted 3x as many games as XON in that time, doesn't that prove the point that XON has been a significantly slower developer than Waterman and therefore deserves to be discussed before Waterman in any delisting debates or be more bagged on here for slow development than Waterman?

 

[Keys]

Training report: Relishing the contest

The first week back at training ended with an impressive bout of match simulation on Friday

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

Good to read that Naitanui played some match sim time as well as the likes of Yeo, Sheed, Cole and McGovern

No mention of who didn’t play though

 

[juddy_Like]

Sorry DS but Kornes was still right.
McGovern a senior player vice captain and leader of the club and highest paid footballer in WCE existence
His conditioning last year is not good enough for all of the above
He should be setting the example not just getting by
Its and inditement on the club they have let seniors players get away with poor conditioning for too long

The fact he averages what 16 games a year over his history shows he is injury prone, which can be linked to his fitness

Its good this year he actually looks good for a change

Not sure about this one

West Coast veteran Jeremy McGovern hits back at critics over fitness claims

"It's just a bit of a kick in the guts when everyone's saying you're fat and unfit."

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Shueygod]

Paywalled article so I'm reacting to a headline but I still find this bloody annoying and frustrating.

Seriously when will we ever learn? Part of our problems post 2019 has been senior players taking too many liberties in pre-season. Did we really benefit last season by having Shuey go at half rat power to get through games?

I've had it up to here with "modified program", "light duties", "easing back into the season".

It's simple. Unless you've had surgery over the summer you'll be expected to do a FULL pre-season. If a player can't/won't then it's time they were tapped on the shoulder.

So you would rather we push players returning from injuries too hard and have them breakdown again like last year?

Interesting

 

[Farang83150]

Training report: Relishing the contest

The first week back at training ended with an impressive bout of match simulation on Friday

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

Good to read that Naitanui played some match sim time as well as the likes of Yeo, Sheed, Cole and McGovern

No mention of who didn’t play though

Not baoding well for our crack at Harley!

 

[omgfridge]

From the report makes it sounds like Yeo is playing midfield. And Hunt off half back. Jones might stay back there too? Didnt mention him though.