Training Pre season training

[dudeintheswamp]

He went to my primary school (a few years before I got there).

Apparently he was the only person to ever be banned from the after school program until I came along to carry on his proud legacy.

Sooo... what did you do to be banned from the after school program?

 

[SteeleSaints]

I will back our list Management crew..
Cal Wilkie(Mature Age Rookie Selection,)Cooper Sharman (Mature Age MSD) Jack Hayes( Mature Age SSP) until injured were selected from SA and are/have performed at the highest level

Boyd is not in the same stratosphere as Wilkie, Sharman and even Hayes when it comes to natural or footballing ability. He may fill an immediate list need but I am completely over list cloggers who have no future! He may get a hand full of games when we have an injury, but that just reminds us they arent suited to the next level. Surely history tells us that it doesnt work with ruckman, its so short term thinking and so St Kilda to waste a list opportunity on a list clogger. Not to mention how such a player messes with the development of other players.

Surely there are other options more AFL suitable that Boyd, if not look to take another positional player who may have a future eg Peckett, Bailey McKenzie, Burmeister, Penry, even Adrian Cole. Successful list development environments should we be looking for short cuts they never work.

We also have to remember that the late Chris Toce` should be acknowledged for that trio's recruitment.

 

[gringo2011]

He's not big enough to be a Battle replacement.

He'd be a similar size to Tom Stewart and Sicily. If he's good enough he's tall enough.

 

[gringo2011]

Bergman might occasionally play on a tall but he's not playing on key forwards the way Battle did.

Battle was able to play as a defensive stopper but also a loose interceptor who can get on his bike and run.

 

[Leap of Faith]

Boyd is not in the same stratosphere as Wilkie, Sharman and even Hayes when it comes to natural or footballing ability. He may fill an immediate list need but I am completely over list cloggers who have no future! He may get a hand full of games when we have an injury, but that just reminds us they arent suited to the next level. Surely history tells us that it doesnt work with ruckman, its so short term thinking and so St Kilda to waste a list opportunity on a list clogger. Not to mention how such a player messes with the development of other players.

Surely there are other options more AFL suitable that Boyd, if not look to take another positional player who may have a future eg Peckett, Bailey McKenzie, Burmeister, Penry, even Adrian Cole. Successful list development environments shouldnt we be looking for short cuts they never work.

We also have to remember that the late Chris Toce` should be acknowledged for that trio's recruitment.

Yes but. If Ro goes down and Heath is not up to it, what then? Who else apart from Boyd is available? Blakiston? Goober? Who else? Do you reckon our list managers haven’t scoured the country looking at options? Any of them would be potentially just as big a list clogger as you think Boyd is going to be. Give the bloke a chance.

 

[Saint_Dos]

Do you reckon Gus is a Webster or Battle replacement?

Does he fill the Wilkie role of 3rd Defender whilst Wilkie replace Battle's role until Barratt/Caminiti/Schoe assume the CHB role?

 

[SteeleSaints]

Yes but. If Ro goes down and Heath is not up to it, what then? Who else apart from Boyd is available? Blakiston? Goober? Who else? Do you reckon our list managers haven’t scoured the country looking at options? Any of them would be potentially just as big a list clogger as you think Boyd is going to be. Give the bloke a chance.

Who says Boyd is up to it...its just perpetuating the exact same issue we had with Campbell. Campbell dominates state level but how does he go at thetop level and he has a hell of a lot more tools than Boyd does. If Marshall is injured give Heath the opportunity, we are not challenging next year. Get games into Heath & Keeler they are the future. When was the last time an AFL club brought in a 26yo state league ruckman who have proven to be a sucess?

The club finally have a few decent young ruckman on the list is Dodson, Heath and possibly Keeler, but our identification and recruitment of ruckman since drafting Marshall has been diabolical. Taking Boyd is moving back to the diabolical short term thinking IMO.

 

[saintmike65]

How are we gonna fit 45 guns in round 1

Great time of year this..every player looking good & supporters full of hope, then the season starts and reality hits!!

 

[saintmike65]

Does he fill the Wilkie role of 3rd Defender whilst Wilkie replace Battle's role until Barratt/Caminiti/Schoe assume the CHB role?

It’ll be out of Hastie, McLennan or O’Connell to fill Webster role.
Arie, Tauru or Barratt to fill Battle role, practice matches will be highly competitive!

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Is Heath really that far behind that we have to bring in Boydie from the sanfl?
If he is then why keep him, after all this time on the list is an extra year gonna make him?
Well for what it’s worth I think he’s the one we should go with.

 

[saintmike65]

Wilkie is also smaller than Carlisle...has been a pretty solid upgrade

Defensive craft outweighs height. Miles Bergman is 189cm yet he can play on talls because he knows the craft

Sicily is 187cm…handy player!

 

[bwardi]

Have we got enough of a sample size yet to suggest Boyd is not up to it?

 

[snails13]

So we run Marshall into the ground while we wait for Heath and Dodson to hopefully become decent AFL footballers.
Won't Heath have been a list clogger if he doesn't make the grade.?
What was Tom Campbell at the Saints?
Do you watch much SANFL

 

[saintmike65]

Have we got enough of a sample size yet to suggest Boyd is not up to it?

No doubt he’ll get more time but I’m certainly not alone in thinking he’s not AFL standard

 

[hayes]

Have we got enough of a sample size yet to suggest Boyd is not up to it?

Probably the multiple years of not being an AFL player tells you he’s not AFL standard. Like we saw with Paul Hunter you don’t play non AFL standard players just because they’re ruckman. It’s the least important position on the ground.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Is Heath really that far behind that we have to bring in Boydie from the sanfl?
If he is then why keep him, after all this time on the list is an extra year gonna make him?
Well for what it’s worth I think he’s the one we should go with.

Thanks Saintos finally some sense.

The first thing we as a club should consider when recruiting a player is are they going to make a difference to our AFL side eg Macrae. The next is, is that player going to have an extended career at the Saints and finally will they hold some trade value after time. Our club has the world record for players who have played 1-20 games at the top level and then been delisted, what has that achieved.

Boyd is a qualified physiotherapist and personality wise seems a popular young man with his team mates. Culture wise he will be an asset, I just want the club to recruit the players who may play in our next GF side, not list fillers.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Who says Boyd is up to it...its just perpetuating the exact same issue we had with Campbell. Campbell dominates state level but how does he go at thetop level and he has a hell of a lot more tools than Boyd does. If Marshall is injured give Heath the opportunity, we are not challenging next year. Get games into Heath & Keeler they are the future. When was the last time an AFL club brought in a 26yo state league ruckman who have proven to be a sucess?

The club finally have a few decent young ruckman on the list is Dodson, Heath and possibly Keeler, but our identification and recruitment of ruckman since drafting Marshall has been diabolical. Taking Boyd is moving back to the diabolical short term thinking IMO.

Taking Boyd on does not automatically imply preferential selection. If Moose is ready he'll get a go in line with what's an established pattern of feeding games to the youth. In the case that Moose is not ready, Boyd provides a mature hardened body to provide a contest.
Both will get smashed by any half decent AFL ruckman anyway, so it's a damage minimisation exercise. Chill.

 

[SaintersUnite]

Couple of clairvoyants in here, already able to tell how a player would do in AFL matches after a couple of pre-season training sessions!


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[SteeleSaints]

Taking Boyd on does not automatically imply preferential selection. If Moose is ready he'll get a go in line with what's an established pattern of feeding games to the youth. In the case that Moose is not ready, Boyd provides a mature hardened body to provide a contest.
Both will get smashed by any half decent AFL ruckman anyway, so it's a damage minimisation exercise. Chill.

One second you say Moose might play in front of Boyd the next you suggest he will get smashed, which is it? If Moose is half a chance to play in front of Boyd then the answer on recruiting Boyd is simple. We are happy to play a skinny slither of a kid in Collard, yet now we want to protect Heath who is 205cms and possibly 100kgs.

As far as a big body in contests go, Heath is really good at ground level and creating space for his team mates. He might be not be quite ready to match it at the top level how do we know, but at least we do know we will get a marking contest, tackling and the ability to push forward from Max.

Boyd moves like an 'iceberg' and apart from ruck contests, he will be dominated around the ground at the next level.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Can't believe people are arguing against getting a replacement for Tom Campbell.

We have one genuine ruckman!!!!

3 years, zero games and a one year contract says that unless Heath comes on spectacularly this year he's gone.

Dodson is twig. Keeler is not a ruck.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Who says Boyd is up to it...its just perpetuating the exact same issue we had with Campbell. Campbell dominates state level but how does he go at thetop level and he has a hell of a lot more tools than Boyd does. If Marshall is injured give Heath the opportunity, we are not challenging next year. Get games into Heath & Keeler they are the future. When was the last time an AFL club brought in a 26yo state league ruckman who have proven to be a sucess?

The club finally have a few decent young ruckman on the list is Dodson, Heath and possibly Keeler, but our identification and recruitment of ruckman since drafting Marshall has been diabolical. Taking Boyd is moving back to the diabolical short term thinking IMO.

I’m kinda glad we didn’t take Cole so you can move onto Boyd as your new target.

The bloke has trained with us twice and hasn’t even been signed yet.

He’s a break glass in case of emergency, rookie listed, depth player. Moose now has the opportunity to be our #2 in front of him. Keeler & Dodson both super promising but not ready to take on the likes of Gawn & Xerri.

At least Boyd has the body to not be massacred by the big boys.

Calling his potential recruitment diabolical is henny penny stuff.


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[Leap of Faith]

Have we got enough of a sample size yet to suggest Boyd is not up to it?

Exactly. Bloke’s been written off after one week of training

 

[akaifu]

Exactly. Bloke’s been written off after one week of training

He wrote him off after watching one half of one of his SANFL games

But there’s no point arguing with him, he’s the self-proclaimed perfect ‘judge of talent’

 

[Mr_R0b0t]

Now Leppa is an absolute w***er. Shit bloke

Great football brain, very poor people skills. Hence why he was fired from Brisbane

 

[SteeleSaints]

Can't believe people are arguing against getting a replacement for Tom Campbell.

We have one genuine ruckman!!!!

3 years, zero games and a one year contract says that unless Heath comes on spectacularly this year he's gone.

Dodson is twig. Keeler is not a ruck.

I read the other day that new recruits cost clubs about 200k per year. We wonder why our club has been so poorly administered for so long then look no further. Why give a critical list spot to a spud who there is a strong chance wont be at the club the following year.

Why are people happy just to replace Campbell with another spud FFS, dont they want to actually have a dominant rucking setup? If the club don't have faith in Heath they should have found a decent alternative, not a slow dinosaur who no other club wants to go near. He is not even second best its like shopping out of skip bins.

Perhaps the club have a decent ruckman tagged for next years trade, if they do then what does Boyd provide that Heath can't. If that eventuates there will be two wasted list spots and we cant afford to keep having misses.