Toast Presidency and The Board

[jathanas]

Thank you 76woodenspooners

One of BigFooty’s all-time-favourite posters, Reykjavik , was all across the board level stuff. He once posted a list of the responsibilities of a Not-For-Profit board like that of Collingwood …

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NFP board responsibilities
Specific responsibilities of a not-for-profit (NFP) board include:

• Driving the strategic direction of the organisation
• Working with the CEO to enable the organisation to obtain the resources, funds and personnel necessary to implement the organisation's strategic objectives
• Implementing, maintaining and (as necessary) refining a system of good governance that is appropriate for the organisation
• Reviewing reports and monitoring the performance of the organisation
• Regularly reviewing the board's structure and composition, so that these are appropriate for the organisation
• Appointing – and managing the performance of – a suitable CEO
• Succession planning for the CEO

While the above points are also applicable to for-profit boards, NFP boards also face a unique range of issues, such as:

• Difficulties in defining and measuring organisational effectiveness
• Transgression of role boundaries
• The negative impact of the structural compositions of some NFP boards, including those arising from representative models
• Funding dependencies and constraints

In practice, the role of the board is to supervise an organisation's business in two broad areas:

1. Overall business performance - ensuring the organisation develops and implements strategies and supporting policies to enable it to fulfill the objectives set out in the organisation's constitution. The board delegates the day to day management of the organisation but remains accountable to the shareholders for the organisation's performance. The board monitors and supports management in an on-going way.
2. Overall compliance performance - ensuring the organisation develops and implements systems to enable it to comply with its legal and policy obligations (complying with statutes such as the Corporations Act 2001, adhering to accounting standards) and ensure the organisation's assets are protected through appropriate risk management.

http://www.companydirectors.com.au/...ctor/NFP-governance/The-role-of-the-NFP-board

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[Carringbush2010]

thanks for the reply

50 shades of confidence.....and I wouldnt know the answer because all the hear from candidates is that they broadly support the report - if they even refer to it.

I was using it as an example of what I'd like to hear from candidates, rather than statements about making collingwood great again...

From my part, and I dont even vote on this election, I stated years ago that I couldnt understand why we hadn't recruited more indigenous players,

You make it sound like the do better report is an impediment to the end game, I don't think it is and again I think the club is balancing this. Methinks the do better report is a two pronged mechanism to achieve BOTH the end game AND the diversity as a goal.

Even if it was reported more so to be more diverse, I doubt the club is going to self impede to appease external commentary.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

It might be normaised in your world but there are other universes in the outer that it ain't.

Lets get the nitty gritty.... recommendation number 9 states "9. That the Collingwood Football Club Board ensure the development and implementation of an employment strategy that values diversity and reports against KPIs. This includes the player group and the coaching staff; "

There have been appointment of indigenous coaching staff and players since the report.

Have the player appointments been made because of the report? Does this compromise the aim of putting together the best list? Are we compromising a premiership to meet the recommendations of the report?

I mean it's not like we've gone and recruited Relton Roberts.

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[Markfs]

You make it sound like the do better report is an impediment to the end game, I don't think it is and again I think the club is balancing this. Methinks the do better report is a two pronged mechanism to achieve BOTH the end game AND the diversity as a goal.

Even if it was reported more so to be more diverse, I doubt the club is going to self impede to appease external commentary.

I'm going to stop discussing this because people keep putting interpretations on what I post.

As I said at the start, candidates are only making general statements about how they want to make collingwood great again. They might say that they support the report. My point is to take an example of where it might be hard to implement the report and then ask the candidate what they might do. You get this technique in job interviews sometimes. What would you do if the power turned off and all the fridges stopped working.....you get my drift?

I'm not saying that the report is an impediment. You have given your position on this. It's a sound position but then in the last sentence you can only suggest what might be the case. In the end, if we cant get firm answers to hard questions, then run it as a popularity contest.

Anyway, I've said enough on this. Obviously voting members like to allow board members to operate as they see fit.

 

[Markfs]

I mean it's not like we've gone and recruited Relton Roberts.

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you're absolutely right. lets move on

 

[Carringbush2010]

I'm going to stop discussing this because people keep putting interpretations on what I post.

As I said at the start, candidates are only making general statements about how they want to make collingwood great again. They might say that they support the report. My point is to take an example of where it might be hard to implement the report and then ask the candidate what they might do. You get this technique in job interviews sometimes. What would you do if the power turned off and all the fridges stopped working.....you get my drift?

I'm not saying that the report is an impediment. You have given your position on this. It's a sound position but then in the last sentence you can only suggest what might be the case. In the end, if we cant get firm answers to hard questions, then run it as a popularity contest.

Anyway, I've said enough on this. Obviously voting members like to allow board members to operate as they see fit.

Fair enough, incorrect interpretation on my part.

You want more detail on what the candidates will actually do, not just 'make Collingwood great again'. What is the actual how?

Is this more a correct interpretation Markfs?

SeanC and conno what are your thoughts?

 

[MyManLynch]

Hey Sean, I’m thinking we should get Bodriggy for the Legends Bar. Brewed in Abbotsford a stones throw from Vic park.

Get the pale ale and the IPA.

I 2nd that.
Have visited Bodriggy a few times during AFLW games at Victoria Park.
Serve it…& we shall drink.

 

[Markfs]

Fair enough, incorrect interpretation on my part.

You want more detail on what the candidates will actually do, not just 'make Collingwood great again'. What is the actual how?

Is this more a correct interpretation Markfs?

SeanC and conno what are your thoughts?

well it doesnt matter what i want. The voting members decide. We've just come out of 20 years with no candidates and control of the board by Eddie. Obviously, just getting a vote might be more than enough for some voting members. In fact, probably most of them wont bother...fair enough eh

 

[Carringbush2010]

well it doesnt matter what i want. The voting members decide. We've just come out of 20 years with no candidates and control of the board by Eddie. Obviously, just getting a vote might be more than enough for some voting members. In fact, probably most of them wont bother...fair enough eh

It does matter what you want, it's not just the members that matter y'know.

You're a passionate Pie fan, and you want success for the club, you have every right to your opinions.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I like the local link jmac, but Sean, I want Dogfish Head 90 Minute Imperial Ale on tap, a full suite of bottled Belgian triple brews including Westvleteren 12 and bottles of La Tâche dating back to 1980, otherwise my vote goes elsewhere!

LOL, if that stuff was being served people would stop taking much notice of the footy! Might have to invest a bit more on security. Not sure it would get past RSA.

 

[76woodenspooners]

There have been appointment of indigenous coaching staff and players since the report.

Have the player appointments been made because of the report? Does this compromise the aim of putting together the best list? Are we compromising a premiership to meet the recommendations of the report?

No.

IMO organisations with diversity have higher ceilings. They can be better performing. But it requires effective management frameworks in place to tap into that value.

Example (1): It’s very easy to make decisions when everybody involved has a common background and thinks the same way. Everybody agrees. There is no debate. When you introduce diversity, you get different people who see problems from different angles, they disagree, there are arguments and debates. When you have diversity you need robust systems of resolving conflict and decision making.

Example (2): It’s easy to toss around ‘innovation‘ as a buzzword, but where does innovation come from? How do you change the culture of an organisation to be innovative? To come up with new ideas? To imagine how things could be done differently? Introducing diversity is one way of helping to achieve that.

Example (3): Once upon a time there was pushback from larger society to have gender quotas (as this clip below shows) but these days organisations with a healthy gender balance are a lot more commonplace and IMO tend to be better performing.

 

[sr36]

well it doesnt matter what i want. The voting members decide. We've just come out of 20 years with no candidates and control of the board by Eddie. Obviously, just getting a vote might be more than enough for some voting members. In fact, probably most of them wont bother...fair enough eh

Ultimately, you want a board that hires well, sets some aspirational goals, oversees policy and practice and monitors achievement and importantly stays out of the way whilst the people employed to run the show are left to run the show. Not sure how an election campaign is going to help you to know which candidates are going to do the most important part of that - hiring well.

 

[Markfs]

It does matter what you want, it's not just the members that matter y'know.

You're a passionate Pie fan, and you want success for the club, you have every right to your opinions.

Dont worry. I dont have problems having confidence in my opinions...lol

 

[Markfs]

No.

IMO organisations with diversity have higher ceilings. They can be better performing. But it requires effective management frameworks in place to tap into that value.

Example (1): It’s very easy to make decisions when everybody involved has a common background and thinks the same way. Everybody agrees. There is no debate. When you introduce diversity, you get different people who see problems from different angles, they disagree, there are arguments and debates. When you have diversity you need robust systems of resolving conflict and decision making.

Example (2): It’s easy to toss around ‘innovation‘ as a buzzword, but where does innovation come from? How do you change the culture of an organisation to be innovative? To come up with new ideas? To imagine how things could be done differently? Introducing diversity is one way of helping to achieve that.

Example (3): Once upon a time there was pushback from larger society to have gender quotas (as this clip below shows) but these days organisations with a healthy gender balance are a lot more commonplace and IMO tend to be better performing.

ummmm....well we're trying to win footy games, not invent a new wheel. Personally, I would select an indigenous player at pick 50 because I think they might have a higher ceiling. That's a pragmatic answer to why increase the recruiting of indigenous players.

But i'm not running for office, so it shouldnt matter what i think. The voting members can be happy to just feed on the general "make collingwood great" statements from the candidates and pick a bloke that they like or not bother to vote at all.

 

[Markfs]

Ultimately, you want a board that hires well, sets some aspirational goals, oversees policy and practice and monitors achievement and importantly stays out of the way whilst the people employed to run the show are left to run the show. Not sure how an election campaign is going to help you to know which candidates are going to do the most important part of that - hiring well.

The board does lean on the CEO if they think he or she isnt doing enough in some areas. If a CEO reported to the board that there was no growth in membership, the board will want to know why. Where is the money being spent? If there isnt enough indigenous coaches or players, why? Of course, Eddie used to make those decisions, but a well run board does set the emphasis. It can say to the CEO that more resources need to be put into women's footy, wheelchair footy, netball. It can tell the CEO that they want to see improvement in some programs even at the expense of others.

As an example, the qantas board told alan joyce to cut costs and increase profits, and he contracted out services and sacked people......and the board gave him a bonus for meeting targets. They set the agenda and he delivered.

I was merely wanting the candidates to state what they viewed as the most important goals in a scarce resource environment....to give a realistic assessment. But obviously people arent that fussed ....so lets make collingwood great again!!!! yayyyyyyy!! 5 premierships in 4 years!!!! yay!!!!

 

[JB1975]

Hope you don't get on our board.

Re-read your post & think.

Second this sentiment.

Tone deaf to conflate the issue of race and religious observance.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Example (3): Once upon a time there was pushback from larger society to have gender quotas (as this clip below shows) but these days organisations with a healthy gender balance are a lot more commonplace and IMO tend to be better performing.

And certainly in the case of our football club it is because they're actively seeking out the best possible options, after intense examination of those options.

It's not a case of 'oh we just have to accept we aren't gonna have the best coz we have to appoint x candidate to appease external commentary'.

It's more like 'well now we have even more options and more to choose from to appoint the best candidate possibly available, appeasing external narrative is a side bonus'.

The latter seems like the angle you're getting at, and to some that might seem optimistic, but as you allude successful organisations will not look at this (trying to appease external commentary/ view) as an impediment but rather an opportunity.

 

[sr36]

Second this sentiment.

Tone deaf to conflate the issue of race and religious observance.

They're conflated. It's cultural markers and practices rather than genetic markers that we more commonly discriminate against and refer to as racism.

 

[JB1975]

They're conflated. It's cultural markers and practices rather than genetic markers that we more commonly discriminate against and refer to as racism.

I'm not sure of your point exactly.

My point is that Jodie Sizer doesn't need to be pulled aside and told that the issues facing Indigenous people within our club and within the game are on a par with the club making a social media post about Easter or Ramadan.

 

[sr36]

I'm not sure of your point exactly.

My point is that Jodie Sizer doesn't need to be pulled aside and told that the issues facing Indigenous people within our club and within the game are on a par with the club making a social media post about Easter or Ramadan.

No they're not even closely equal.

But I do think where we're at as a country it's more about culture than race, eg. I don't think Tony Armstrong would cop much discrimination, whereas Derek Kickett still would. So I like Connos suggestion about acknowledging and embracing non Anglo cultural traditions - albeit an Indigenous example would have been better.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I'm not sure of your point exactly.

My point is that Jodie Sizer doesn't need to be pulled aside and told that the issues facing Indigenous people within our club and within the game are on a par with the club making a social media post about Easter or Ramadan.

Wondering what Conno's thoughts are on the club hypothetically using social media to express solidarity with Palestinians given his excitement over having shared drinks with Benjamin Netanyahu.

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[JB1975]

No they're not even closely equal.

But I do think where we're at as a country it's more about culture than race, eg. I don't think Tony Armstrong would cop much discrimination, whereas Derek Kickett still would. So I like Connos suggestion about acknowledging and embracing non Anglo cultural traditions - albeit an Indigenous example would have been better.

Tony has been subject to some feral abuse, even just recently, in his capacity as a banal TV presenter on a banal TV show.

This country has a deep and very particular problem with Indigenous people.

As for religion, I'm happy for the club to send out a generic 'festive' message during holiday periods, but I really don't want it to 'embrace' or even bother to acknowledge the various cults and their various observances.

 

[FIGJAM]

Wondering what Conno's thoughts are on the club hypothetically using social media to express solidarity with Palestinians given his excitement over having shared drinks with Benjamin Netanyahu.

Do you ever stop whinging?

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Do you ever stop whinging?

Imagine whiteknighting for a board candidate in an open election when someone offers their view on a public forum designed to share opinions.

Feel free to chuck me on ignore if you don't like my views or scepticism towards your boys.

 

[JB1975]

Wondering what Conno's thoughts are on the club hypothetically using social media to express solidarity with Palestinians given his excitement over having shared drinks with Benjamin Netanyahu.

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This on his social media?

 

[JB1975]

Saw that Con had a sook --or retweeted a sook-- about Australia reversing the Morrison government's declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

Also a spruiker for the wonders of nuclear energy.

Hallmarks of the modern right looking for implements with which to offend the 'woke', but that's fair enough. I don't know the politics of the other candidates, and maybe these issues shouldn't play into the vote for a footy board member.

Shouldn't, but do.

Postscript: Oh and that retweet about BLM being a Marxist front. How deeply thoughtful.