Toast Presidency and The Board

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One of BigFooty’s all-time-favourite posters, Reykjavik , was all across the board level stuff. He once posted a list of the responsibilities of a Not-For-Profit board like that of Collingwood …

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NFP board responsibilities
Specific responsibilities of a not-for-profit (NFP) board include:

  • Driving the strategic direction of the organisation
  • Working with the CEO to enable the organisation to obtain the resources, funds and personnel necessary to implement the organisation's strategic objectives
  • Implementing, maintaining and (as necessary) refining a system of good governance that is appropriate for the organisation
  • Reviewing reports and monitoring the performance of the organisation
  • Regularly reviewing the board's structure and composition, so that these are appropriate for the organisation
  • Appointing – and managing the performance of – a suitable CEO
  • Succession planning for the CEO
While the above points are also applicable to for-profit boards, NFP boards also face a unique range of issues, such as:

  • Difficulties in defining and measuring organisational effectiveness
  • Transgression of role boundaries
  • The negative impact of the structural compositions of some NFP boards, including those arising from representative models
  • Funding dependencies and constraints

In practice, the role of the board is to supervise an organisation's business in two broad areas:

  1. Overall business performance - ensuring the organisation develops and implements strategies and supporting policies to enable it to fulfill the objectives set out in the organisation's constitution. The board delegates the day to day management of the organisation but remains accountable to the shareholders for the organisation's performance. The board monitors and supports management in an on-going way.
  2. Overall compliance performance - ensuring the organisation develops and implements systems to enable it to comply with its legal and policy obligations (complying with statutes such as the Corporations Act 2001, adhering to accounting standards) and ensure the organisation's assets are protected through appropriate risk management.


http://www.companydirectors.com.au/...ctor/NFP-governance/The-role-of-the-NFP-board

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That’s onfield.



That’s outside of the club’s control.



No different to the person she replaced? There are presidents.



How is that below standard though?



Thta stuff gets leaked out of all clubs all the time.



Agree, and it wasn’t just the coach.



It was a PR disaster. But the club ran out of salary cap chasing Premierships, what was it to do?



Poorly handled at the time. Our President was made to stand down over that. We’re since handling it as well as could be expected. Not sure that there’s any point bashing the club any more over that?



We’re one of the better clubs. We’re financially strong, well resourced, we have a good women’s program which IMO is something to be proud of.
1. We are 2-9 because of offield mismanagement
2. There's a board challenge because of offield mismanagement. That mismanagement most certainly was in our control.
3. She was not eligible... That's ok with you is it?
4. Show me another example of a behind closed doors player confrontation leaking out to the media in detail like that happening this year. Should be easy if it happens all the time as you say.
5.what was it to do? Perhaps not missmanage it so that they had to have a fire sale ....?? You could use Geelong or Hawthorn as an example of how you can stay in the premiership window for long periods and still manage your list and salary cap. Lose one Grand final and we sell the farm lol. Perhaps the coach could not say " senior players wanted him gone". Perhaps use some common tact and basic decency.
6. You asked "how have we underperformed offield" I mention the absolutely disastrous systemic racism report (commissioned by our idiot board to a consultant crew who exist to find racism). Then you respond " not much point bashing the club about that anymore". Lol.. how disingenuous.

I'll leave you to your warm feelings about our women's program and your delusions that "we're one of the better clubs".
We are a rabble and a league wide laughing stock. Not the time for supporting the club with mealey mouthed deflections and denials.
 
Potential challenges, petitions etc or am I making it up?

But that’s nothing to do with the club?

Sure, some other folks seem to have a problem with the club, but I can exercise critical thinking and form my own opinion?
 
1. We are 2-9 because of offield mismanagement
2. There's a board challenge because of offield mismanagement. That mismanagement most certainly was in our control.
3. She was not eligible... That's ok with you is it?
4. Show me another example of a behind closed doors player confrontation leaking out to the media in detail like that happening this year. Should be easy if it happens all the time as you say.
5.what was it to do? Perhaps not missmanage it so that they had to have a fire sale ....?? You could use Geelong or Hawthorn as an example of how you can stay in the premiership window for long periods and still manage your list and salary cap. Lose one Grand final and we sell the farm lol. Perhaps the coach could not say " senior players wanted him gone". Perhaps use some common tact and basic decency.
6. You asked "how have we underperformed offield" I mention the absolutely disastrous systemic racism report (commissioned by our idiot board to a consultant crew who exist to find racism). Then you respond " not much point bashing the club about that anymore". Lol.. how disingenuous.

I'll leave you to your warm feelings about our women's program and your delusions that "we're one of the better clubs".
We are a rabble and a league wide laughing stock. Not the time for supporting the club with mealey mouthed deflections and denials.
Most of our major issues were/are related to salary cap/contracts/recruiting.
Our Boss of Footy has departed (Walsh), replaced by Wright.
Our list Manager is going.
Wright will oversee list management going forward.
Sellwood has joined the team.
Action has been taken.
I for one, would like to support these changes & give them a chance.
 

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I'll leave you to your warm feelings about our women's program and your delusions that "we're one of the better clubs".
We are a rabble and a league wide laughing stock. Not the time for supporting the club with mealey mouthed deflections and denials.

I can quite happily argue both sides of this debate.

As for my own personal feelings - I am very much keeping an open mind.

If a leader comes forward with a vision that I think will make the club better then I’ll vote for them ...

... but Browne is still a long way from doing that. Going into a vote with three seats missing is not a good start.

There are things that I am not happy about with the current board, it’s just the things you’ve mentioned aren’t amongst them. But for now they are the best option we’ve got and I don’t think they’re that bad an option.

I think of it like this: I love Collingwood as much as all of us, I want us to have an A+ Board. I’d grade our current board a B. I’ve currently got no reason to believe that Browne or anybody else will be better than a B, and there’s certainly capacity to be a lot worse.
 
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Things were not ideal during Eddies tenure, he had two major blunders. Some of the pub deals, which you can excuse. The evident meddling in player recruitment (Beams deal) is inexcusable. The lack of due diligence set us back a decade. This is coupled with the decision to back end contracts to retain a successful list, the latter was a calculated gamble that didn’t pay off....success is built on taking risks as is failure unfortunately. The only real out and out mistake there is meddling in recruitment. The rest of the time he’s been incredibly good and great and passionate leader of the club.

The disaster you speak of is partly of Eddies making but also partly because he was not permitted to stay the course and remediate the issues. We have an incredibly destabilising coup on our hands, which back to my original comment, is a direct reflection on Eddie being forced to leave.

Eddie was a very successful and great administrator. If you are doubting that you have no clue.

I agree, although I would add bringing in Gubby. To suggest "it's a result of years of incompetence from the club at governance level" is just laughable hyperbole.
 
This is coupled with the decision to back end contracts to retain a successful list, the latter was a calculated gamble that didn’t pay off....success is built on taking risks as is failure unfortunately.

Ben Reid was one of the 2 or 3 highest paid players at the club the last couple of years because of the rejigging and back-ending of deals - that's insanity, not a calculated gamble.
 
Ben Reid was one of the 2 or 3 highest paid players at the club the last couple of years because of the rejigging and back-ending of deals - that's insanity, not a calculated gamble.
Yes & the gentlemen involved in those decisions, no longer hold their positions.
We have a fresh start...change already in progress.
Back Wright & his team...
 
I can quite happily argue both sides of this debate.

As for my own personal feelings - I am very much keeping an open mind.

If a leader comes forward with a vision that I think will make the club better then I’ll vote for them ...

... but Browne is still a long way from doing that. Going into a vote with three seats missing is not a good start.

There are things that I am not happy about with the current board, it’s just the things you’ve mentioned aren’t amongst them. But for now they are the best option we’ve got and I don’t think they’re that bad an option.

I think of it like this. I love Collingwood as much as all of us, I want us to have an A+ Board. I’d give our current board a B. I’ve currently got no reason to believe that Browne or anybody else will be better than a B, but there’s certainly capacity to be a lot worse.

Gotta be a D at best for the current board. Which is why Browne will win with a leg in the air.
 
Really?

Korda is still there.

Holgate is still there.

Hine is still there.

Buckley is still there.
Football Department
Walsh - Gone
Guy - Gone
Hine - no longer list manager, recruiting only

Didn’t realize Korda & Holgate were part of the list management decision process.
 
I agree, although I would add bringing in Gubby. To suggest "it's a result of years of incompetence from the club at governance level" is just laughable hyperbole.
We should never forget bringing in Gubby. I think that's where it all started to go bad.
 

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We’ve been broke multiple times in my lifetime yet with an equally huge supporter base.

That's true, we've also been starved of success for decades with teasers to keep us on the wagon. If we continue in mediocrity the club will eventually lose it's only claim to profile - that fan base.
 
Ben Reid was one of the 2 or 3 highest paid players at the club the last couple of years because of the rejigging and back-ending of deals - that's insanity, not a calculated gamble.

Was he? I seem to recall that he was only getting re-signed on 1 or 2 year deals at the end of his career. If so, why would they have been required to "backend" them?
 
Specifically, what problems are they?

Do we want to blame the head of our finance committee for only winning one flag in the time he’s been with the club?

Sorry couldn't work out how to include the post you were responding to. .

For me the problem that Korda should wear some responsibility for is the salary cap debacle. He is a forensic accountant; an expert in how companies go bust, the chief money man. And yet, on his watch, we blew the salary cap to smithereens which resulted in the disastrous returns we received for two premium players in last years trade period. Before Korda gets any support from me, he needs to explain how this was allowed to happen
 
Like others, I have an increasing sense that the Korda crew are in the box seat, but I can't get past my doubt that Korda himself will not be able to reap the benefit of his position.

In my opinion, the appointment of Murphy as President wouldn't have given Browne a leg to stand on. The 'change candidate' would have already won.

So now Korda needs to sell the story that change has been implemented, that change will be pursued further, and that the current board are best-placed to oversee it. This is where my doubt kicks in, based on the little I've seen so far.

Even so, I'm confident that Jeff Browne won't be able to simply ride a wave of supporter disenchantment all the way to the big seat. While it might have seemed reasonable to seek a merger of his own people with some of the current board, it can and should be pointed out that his willingness to do that offers a partial affirmation of the status quo. By acknowledging that not everything needs to change, it should force him to be more precise about what does need to change and why he needs to be the man for the job.

I think he'd struggle with that, possibly flounder.

And if the current board indicate an equal or greater willingness to replace Buckley, then I'd say others are right in suggesting that this would also help to blunt the impetus for regime change, maybe stop it dead in its tracks.

A more convincing Korda could knock Browne out of the game. A less convincing Korda will likely get the job done at an EGM.
 
So it’s the geriatrics v the incompetents what a ding dong battle this will be!

Nah Moore is very smart - trained in law while playing then built a fortune through mining interests in US

Met him a couple of times outside football

Articulate and command presence - still has plenty of energy

Also seems like a great Dad with natural empathy for young adults

Expect he has also heard the views of Darce and other players without any spin

Throw in that he is our past captain, a dual Brownlow medallist, and played the game in a modern way - he gets it

His CV is better than anyone’s on the current board to be our director
 
Football Department
Walsh - Gone
Guy - Gone
Hine - no longer list manager, recruiting only

Didn’t realize Korda & Holgate were part of the list management decision process.

So Walsh, Guy and Hine just went rogue and decided to back end contracts, offer inflated money to the likes of Phillips, which was inevitably going to end in disaster, and the board knew nothing about it?

Are you a Victorian public servant?
 
Nah Moore is very smart - trained in law while playing then built a fortune through mining interests in US

Met him a couple of times outside football

Articulate and command presence - still has plenty of energy

Also seems like a great Dad with natural empathy for young adults

Expect he has also heard the views of Darce and other players without any spin

Throw in that he is our past captain, a dual Brownlow medallist, and played the game in a modern way - he gets it

His CV is better than anyone’s on the current board to be our director
Jeff Browne gave Moore his first lawyer job.

But if Moore is on the ticket he wont get my vote.
 
Jeff Browne gave Moore his first lawyer job.

But if Moore is on the ticket he wont get my vote.
i'm not sure a board director with a son in the senior playing group is a good idea to be honest.
Sure he may get an insight into the players, but it's conflicted and based on his son's view. Moore may be alot more professional than that, however, I'm not certain about it. I think he has commented in the past about how is son is played.

Also, what does Tuddenham add that those on the current board don't?

This seems to be a haphazard attempt in constructing a board. On the surface, looks like a disaster in the making. Very disappointing. I expected Browne to have assembled a dynamic team. Hopefully we hear of a clear vision shortly.
 

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