Primus - how is the gloss looking

[Ford Fairlane]

There seems to be quite a bit of discontent around Matty's reign already, eg:

• Selection decisions
• Public comments
• Playing style
• Team balance

Is big Matty's rule looking tarnished already and can it be repolished?

 

[Frank Spencer Clone]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

The gloss isn't but sadly, it looks like the wrapping paper is coming off.

 

[brogan2motlop]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Our supporters demand Rome be fixed in a day....

 

[Portia]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Yeah thats pretty much it b2m.

I would invite people to remember how long the Cahill to Choco conversion took. In 1999 we had an indifferent year still playing SANFL style football, with not a lot of Choco influence. In 2000 we bombed out as Choco style was enforced. In 2001, which I think was the most enjoyable year of Power football I've seem, we had just enough of Choco's gameplan, combined with Francis & Dew long kicks and Tredrea's speccy marks.

2002 was the first year that the full team was playing Choco style football, evidence as the last of Dewy's finesse was kicked out of him and he was relegated to kicks of no more than 40m.

How can we convince ourselves that changing back to a long kicking, contested football team, with a squad consisting almost entirely of player types that are ill-suited to such a style, will take any less time?

There will be at least one game this year that we will genuinely see Primus-style eventuate...but not two games in.

 

[b0ydman]

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Yeah thats pretty much it b2m.

I would invite people to remember how long the Cahill to Choco conversion took. In 1999 we had an indifferent year still playing SANFL style football, with not a lot of Choco influence. In 2000 we bombed out as Choco style was enforced. In 2001, which I think was the most enjoyable year of Power football I've seem, we had just enough of Choco's gameplan, combined with Francis & Dew long kicks and Tredrea's speccy marks.

2002 was the first year that the full team was playing Choco style football, evidence as the last of Dewy's finesse was kicked out of him and he was relegated to kicks of no more than 40m.

How can we convince ourselves that changing back to a long kicking, contested football team, with a squad consisting almost entirely of player types that are ill-suited to such a style, will take any less time?

There will be at least one game this year that we will genuinely see Primus-style eventuate...but not two games in.

If it weren't for Dew's kick out to Brisbane we'd have made the finals in the 1st year

Rome in a day? How abou Tunisia just trying to be competitive?

Not 2 games in?

He was assistant coach under Choco- nuff said
HE was Ruck coach- and our fresh ruck blood is.....
He had 7 last year- 2 where we totally capitulated- had no response. I dare anyone to watch the vs St Kilda game late last year

5 very ordinary PreSeason
Baffling decisions round 1- disappeared half the game (players fault but also he took Brogan off when we were 16pts down, Brogan didn not want to come off, then they smashed us. He is not playing a forward line- our Forwards are guarding the ball to stay in their F50, they are camping as deep as the D50- how do you score games
OUr players are totally unfit
He has not punished any players despite making a committment and promise on the 2 games
We didn't cull last season
What is our game plan? how can it be kick long if there is no one in front of he centre circle FFS?
Kane still circles for cheap stats
We wasted the 1st game playing 3 novices. Okay, so we're going youth
But then Motlop and Chad are the 1st 2 rotations back in- is it a youth policy or old policy?
Then he had no answers to beat WCE, at home, apart from hearing "they won a GF a few years ago" (so did we)
And not the IT guy is making team comments?

My jury is well and truly in

In short the refusal to play Salter up forward last year was enough for me to see it was Choco pt 2 and all the doofus' behind choco are still there

I'd say the success of PAFC was the team inherited from Cahill, and the brains trust of Clarke, Bailey and Hardwick

I do like that I haven't see the hands above the head thing

 

[Resilience]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Good heavens you guys are bitter and twisted. It seems that Chocco is to blame for everything and all good things are chance or due to something or someone else..This is the greatest set of luck and chance over an extended period of time or a set of amazing statistical anomalies.

Suggesting that all was right when John Cahill was coaching means you have no idea what was really going on and you have absolutely no contact with anyone in those initial years that was close to the club. JC was a fine first coach but let's leave it at that and if you have a problem check with BC.

Matty is now the coach. Let him be his own man.

BTW Chocco apparently did not get to choice of all of assistants or his captain in the Haysman years. The writing was on the wall then.

Matty also hasn't had much of a choice cause even when Chocco left ( and in your version of reality the problem should have disappeared) word is out in the other States that when the Management tries to control the football department it is a difficult place to work and then again there is the matter of money..

It was time for Chocc to move on based on win loss alone.. Now let Matt coach and see what unfolds. It was the appointment of a group lead by the CEO.. and perhaps there is another story there.. who knows ?


PS Chocco didn't cause global warming although in the Cahill years it wasn't an issue and it has been record rainfall in Adelaide since Primus took over.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Primus had his honeymoon period with last year's 7 games.

By round 10 this year Chris Scott's and James Hird's will be over.

We saw glimpses of a new game style last year. Not a lot, but enough to convince us that change was coming. That change has stalled and without our best midfielders and players in the side we wont play our best football. It will take all of this year and some of next to wash out the Williams unaccountable, backward stepping zone defence crap.

The question is, do we as a club and supporter base have the patience after seeing 3 seasons of mostly crap and schizophrenic football played by our club, to hang in there?? It's tough - but its unavoidable.

We desperately need to recruit a very good defensive coach. A boring dour type player who played somewhere between 50 and 150 AFL games all in defence, and one day is going to become an AFL head coach. Until we get a very hard headed defensive mindset we are going to struggle. We don't have the star players across the midfield and forwards like the Hawks did in 2008, to be a serious threat, so we have to start from defence IMO.

Primus has to do as a coach, as he did as a player. Work his arse off to improve all his skill sets and then impose himself on the game.

 

[Powersurj]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

We will be 3-3 at the end of round 6

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Way to early to start judging Primus.

We are seeing signs of a changing game plan int the longer kicking and the better contested ball but we have our 2nd ruck and our number one key forward injured, we haven't had time to adapt to the new game plan and we have lots of inexperienced players in the team who are going to take time.

Lets reassess at the end of the year.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

What gloss?

 

[Ported]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Give me a break.

The problem for all football supporters is that they have little control, and increasingly, very little inside knowledge of the inner structures and dynamics of their club. This means when things go bad, we search for the quickest of quick fixes. It's like slapping the side of a tv when it goes fuzzy. I'm not saying Primus is doing everything he can in the best way possible, I'm saying that as sad as it is, it's often hard to tell where the underlying problems lies. We build these imaginary realities of what's happening based on tidbits and reading facial expressions in press conferences. It's a human thing to want to fix problems, when we don't know all the facts we'll freak out and fabricate them ourselves. As painful as it sounds, we have thousands of small things we must improve on all levels to become a consistently competitive side again. I know some supporters that were hopeful of Primus flicking the 'make good' button over at the start of the season and they're naturally going to be disappointed.

As for Matthew, I think above all he needs time. There's absolutely no point everyone going apeshit two weeks into his first season in charge.

 

[Portology]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

way too early to call that the gloss has worn off, but this thread has drawn out some very good comments about patience and looking for elements of 'the new era' to arrive over time, not all at once. be it game plan, ACs or playing list.

BTW smacking the old B&W TV when fuzzy used to work sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm going to treat my Apple Macbook pro the same way.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

way too early for that call Ford, but it has drawn out some very good comments about patience and looking for elements of 'the new era' to arrive over time, not all at once. be it game plan, ACs or playing list.

BTW smacking the old B&W TV when fuzzy used to work sometimes. Doesn't mean I'm going to treat my Apple Macbook pro the same way.

Don't personalise this Portology. I started the thread because this stream of discussion was clearly entering a number of threads and needed consolidating.

If I pulled a few posts into a new thread I get complained at for making someone else look like the bad guy.

 

[PJ Power]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

It's clearly too early, but it doesn't make the current frustration any easier, especially after three years of watching our players tread water or regress.

To Primus' credit, he has stuck by the young guys he's keen to play. Extra games he gets into O'Shea and Irons now, will hopefully accelerate their maturity and development.

I don't think it's unreasonable though to expect the more experienced 22-26 yo players to show some consistency and ticker and try to restore some respectability to our style of play. Primus, at the least, needs to be held accountable for getting the best out of the likes of Chaplin, Carlile, Pearce and Paul Stewart.

 

[Forzaport]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Nah, he's still shiny.

Playing more kids is always going to be more painful in the short term. It's just a shame some senior players have dropped off this year.

 

[Portology]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Don't personalise this Portology. I started the thread because this stream of discussion was clearly entering a number of threads and needed consolidating.

If I pulled a few posts into a new thread I get complained at for making someone else look like the bad guy.

LOL I'll depersonalize my post then, wasn't meant that way at all. You did pose it as a question, not as 'your particular opinion'. I've no issue with drawing out both sides of an argument into one place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

 

[Steve Dore]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Too early to tell but many supporters, myself included, at least want to see some promising signs not just the same old rubbish that was served up under Choco. The more direct game plan that we saw glimpses of in Primus' audition at the end of last season seems to have disappeared.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

LOL I'll depersonalize my post then, wasn't meant that way at all. You did pose it as a question, not as 'your particular opinion'. I've no issue with drawing out both sides of an argument into one place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

At least it wasn't being hit in the head with a hammer post.

 

[Natman]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Too early to tell but many supporters, myself included, at least want to see some promising signs not just the same old rubbish that was served up under Choco. The more direct game plan that we saw glimpses of in Primus' audition at the end of last season seems to have disappeared.

Well I assume that Primus has changed his mind over the 'new' game plan that we saw glimpses of late last season or the players aren't capable of delivering it.

I haven't seen enough live games to know which is which.

 

[Relativity]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Good heavens you guys are bitter and twisted. It seems that Chocco is to blame for everything and all good things are chance or due to something or someone else..This is the greatest set of luck and chance over an extended period of time or a set of amazing statistical anomalies.

Suggesting that all was right when John Cahill was coaching means you have no idea what was really going on and you have absolutely no contact with anyone in those initial years that was close to the club. JC was a fine first coach but let's leave it at that and if you have a problem check with BC.

Matty is now the coach. Let him be his own man.

BTW Chocco apparently did not get to choice of all of assistants or his captain in the Haysman years. The writing was on the wall then.

Matty also hasn't had much of a choice cause even when Chocco left ( and in your version of reality the problem should have disappeared) word is out in the other States that when the Management tries to control the football department it is a difficult place to work and then again there is the matter of money..

It was time for Chocc to move on based on win loss alone.. Now let Matt coach and see what unfolds. It was the appointment of a group lead by the CEO.. and perhaps there is another story there.. who knows ?


PS Chocco didn't cause global warming although in the Cahill years it wasn't an issue and it has been record rainfall in Adelaide since Primus took over.

Welcome aboard Resilience. I think I'm going to enjoy your postings. I, too, have a dislike for the revisionism of the Choco era. Disappointed he didn't get us at least 1 more flag and not sorry to see him move on but he did take us to the "top of the tree" and merits more respect than is sometimes reflected here.

 

[Jakko]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Im backing matty, and can admit that I was for an outsider to take over.

Likeing his selections (and non selections) so far. My one criticism is that he hasn't shown "angry matty" yet, a bit of fire and brimstone like he had as a player.

 

[JHF1870]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

There seems to be quite a bit of discontent around Matty's reign already, eg:

• Selection decisions
• Public comments
• Playing style
• Team balance

Is big Matty's rule looking tarnished already and can it be repolished?

When' Blighty swept through the Crows, all hell broke loose. Give the guy a bloody go.

If we play our youngsters and find out what we have on our list, and we finish bottom of the ladder. So what. I'd rather go down the path of playing new players and moving forward, than to persist with the players that have failed for us for the last Three years. Whats the point of winning games with players that aren't going to take us to a grand final. See the big picture. If the young guys aren't good enough we keep searching for new ones, mature aged rookies etc.

But we CAN'T afford to continue playing players that have failed us over the last three years.

One thing I did notice though at the West Coast game, was that I had a feeling of Déjà vu. Paul Stewart with the ball in the defensive 50m line, kicking down the line. I think we do really need to bring some speed, and pace to our game, and that must come from backing the players to be confident. Let the players take the game on.

 

[b0ydman]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

When' Blighty swept through the Crows, all hell broke loose. Give the guy a bloody go.

If we play our youngsters and find out what we have on our list, and we finish bottom of the ladder. So what. I'd rather go down the path of playing new players and moving forward, than to persist with the players that have failed for us for the last Three years.

Ins: Motlop, Chad Cornes

Not ins but wandering around the magoos: Ebert, Surjan, Butcher, Hitchcock,

Warming Pine: Salopek

This is Primus' 2nd season for mine. He ran our knife at delist and trade period, as also ran the draft and pre-season draft.

Surely if we can give game time to Irons & O'shea, you can give Butcher and Redden a turn?

 

[Jakko]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Surely if we can give game time to Irons & O'shea, you can give Butcher and Redden a turn?

No. Not yet.

 

[JHF1870]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

No. Not yet.

Yes totally agree

Redden He's got nothing. Sorry, but I've seen the kid play, he's a big fella, but looks like he'd give as much as Ivan Maric. So not much dimension.

JT said he was never going to be a good ruck. Lobbe and D Stewart are the next to go up for the ruck. But Redden needs way more time to hit the SANFL. Think about this. We knocked back Giles, what makes you think Redden is better than Giles, and deserves a spot in the side.

As with Butcher, I only saw him play in the Nab Cup, wasn't ready, doubt he's ready yet. See Jack Watts. Takes a few years for a key forward to get moving. I have no probs with Chad playing, we need him to spark the team. We need that agression. Where else is it coming from???

The other young guys just aren't ready yet.
Playing new guys is great but don't overdo it. you need an even blend of youth and experience.

With Mots, I reckon this is his real test. To see if he's really keen to be a team player and be a part of the club. If he doesn't show the desire. I'm sure Matty will have him on his bike.