Primus - how is the gloss looking

[Peck]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

IMO we should give Primus until at least round 10. If after round 18 or 20 we haven't seen significant improvement, than that will be all hope lost for me, but I'm trying to give some times before I give up, and I think other supporters should take the same view.

FWIW I don't think we will register a win until we play the gold coast.

 

[PatientMental]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Next week has become a 50/50. I was at the game yesterday, minus Dangerfield and Thompson's 40 possession 9 tackle game they looked like a complete and utter rabble lead by the ex-power Symes and Johncock. I thought both teams would have struggled with the conditions but Fremantle looked like they all had clean hands, I don't know what's wrong with the teams in Adelaide, but they're both becoming Jekyll and Hyde's.

 

[JHF1870]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

IMO we should give Primus until at least round 10. If after round 18 or 20 we haven't seen significant improvement, than that will be all hope lost for me, but I'm trying to give some times before I give up, and I think other supporters should take the same view.

FWIW I don't think we will register a win until we play the gold coast.

Do you realize Malthouse has implemented his game plan for Collingwood over Five years!!! Comon guys, you don't change a team in 12 months. You need to actually have a look at the players we have in our list. Is it comparable with the top 4 teams. NO! have a look at the depth and experience of Collingwood, Geelong, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs. Do we have anywhere near that much experience??? Hardly. Be realistic. No coach in the country could turn our club around in 12 months.

Next week has become a 50/50. I was at the game yesterday, minus Dangerfield and Thompson's 40 possession 9 tackle game they looked like a complete and utter rabble lead by the ex-power Symes and Johncock. I thought both teams would have struggled with the conditions but Fremantle looked like they all had clean hands, I don't know what's wrong with the teams in Adelaide, but they're both becoming Jekyll and Hyde's.

I was at the game, and the Crows were horrible, they fumbled like crazy. So did the dockers but not hardly as much. They had no desire or physical intensity. (Except for Dangerfield, Thompson and Vince) Tippett is still injured, Knights is still injured. Lets not underrate the Dockers, they are a pretty good unit, that deserve to push for September. But seriously we should be able to beat the Crows after what I saw.

 

[PatientMental]

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*dusts hands off*

Well RG17 has said what I couldn't be bothered saying, makes things easier for me. New game plans take time. When a new coach comes in and sticks to a very similar game plan with the team that has been successful with it and continues to be successful with it ala Geelong, Sydney, Essendon (to a degree Matthew Knights just got it a little right and a whole lot wrong).

Port Adelaide now have a platform to build from. Rome wasn't built in a day and the world took longer then seven. This is a dynasty Primus is going for, not a one hit wonder.

 

[Powering On]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Port Adelaide now have a platform to build from. Rome wasn't built in a day and the world took longer then seven. This is a dynasty Primus is going for, not a one hit wonder.

Well said, PM. I agree entirely.

 

[Spadge]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

i'll let you know in 21 weeks

 

[Powerade 08]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Sorry Primus lovers, good coaches play a forward line. Choco v.2

Seems the players feel the same way because we're 3 games in with a "new" coach and they look more disinterested than ever...

 

[Portia]

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You have to select a forward line to play one.
You have to draft a forward line to select one.

 

[Peck]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Can people stop comparing Primus to Choco. I mean its getting pretty ****ing old.

I just can't understand what is going on with our team at the moment, I think we had about 1 uncontested mark today...

 

[240volt]

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Hes a Cunningham's discount coach in a Cunningham's discount team.
For me was not the coach we needed but when you draft the rubbish we have you cant turn pooh into gold coins.
There is no cream on the top for us only the Dregs floating around looking for an easy pay packet.
In some ways i feel sorry for Primus, he never really stood a fighting chance

 

[PJ Power]

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Had to nod my head in agreement when one of the commentators made the point, early in the game, that we just don't have any stars and that our former stars have lost their shine.

How did we get such a mediocre list?

 

[240volt]

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You have to select a forward line to play one.
You have to draft a forward line to select one.

You don't need a forward line, you don't even need midfielders....All you need is Flankers.... all you need is Flankers.....All you need is Flankerssssss, flankers is all you need

 

[Macca19]

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Had to nod my head in agreement when one of the commentators made the point, early in the game, that we just don't have any stars and that our former stars have lost their shine.

How did we get such a mediocre list?

At the moment we might have one player in the top 50 in the league, and maybe another 2-3 between 50-100. A far cry from our glory days when we had probably 8 in the top 50 and another 4-5 from 50-100.


Theres two things with our list.

1) This is what the AFL would want in terms of equality. We had 7 years around the top, with 3 minor premierships, 1 premiership and 2 other top 4 finishes. We made the finals in 6 of those years. For that, we got shit picks - many of which we traded away anyway chasing the flag (Pickett, Hardwick etc). Brisbane are going through the same down cycle at the moment.

2) Choco said around 05ish that the state of the game is changing, getting quicker and is headed towards more athletic types - especially talls, with strength being pushed to the background. We drafted accordingly - Minson, Giles, Deluca, Lobbe were sticks in the ruck. Westhoff x2, D Stewart, Trengove, Webb as KPP are sticks.

To me, this hasnt eventuated. All our talls look badly under developed when you look at equivalent players on other lists. Crows for example....Tippett is a tank, Walker was a skinny kid now is a tank, Mckernan is a tank, Moran is a tank, Maric is a tank, Jacobs is a tank. Davis is slender but looks to have the body to become a tank. Look at the premiers. Cloke and Dawes are massive, Brown x2 are big, O'Brien is a tank, they re-recruited Tarrant who is a tank. Look at 09 premiers - Hawkins, Mooney etc. are all big bodied players.

Clearly, we got this completely wrong and are left with a bunch of talls who whilst talented cannot compete in one on one contests and with teams kicking long inside 50 this year, we've been badly left behind on this one.

 

[Portmanteau]

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I was going to say the same thing, Macca. I think we badly miscalculated where the game was heading (wrt to the type of athlete), and we are paying for it now.

 

[BigBroMike]

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As others have said i think a lot of people are starting to regret putting Primus in as coach given he's got no coaching experience outside of Port. How can you generate new ideas and structures for a club when you've been playing/undertaking at that club for your whole career? In hindsight it would've been better to outsource the position and get some new blood into the system with experience in other successful clubs. Ports always talking about rebuilding and 'x year plans' but actions speaker louder then words. All the players are the same and most of the coaches are the same yet somehow we expect to change? Last year people just got caught up in the emotion of getting a few cheap wins along with Primus's history to the club so decision was based on emotion moreso then reason. Also the financial situation didn't help either. Also coz of the financial situation Port will be stuck with Primus for years no matter how poorly the team performs.

 

[Portia]

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I was going to say the same thing, Macca. I think we badly miscalculated where the game was heading (wrt to the type of athlete), and we are paying for it now.

And I don't think there was ever any evidence that fast & skinny was the way of the future.

Aussie Rules is unique in that the ground gets narrower at both ends - it forces a contest. I know there was a lot of trendy cross-sports thinking last decade, but a good amount of it was ill-advised.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

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As others have said i think a lot of people are starting to regret putting Primus in as coach given he's got no coaching experience outside of Port. How can you generate new ideas and structures for a club when you've been playing/undertaking at that club for your whole career? In hindsight it would've been better to outsource the position and get some new blood into the system with experience in other successful clubs. Ports always talking about rebuilding and 'x year plans' but actions speaker louder then words. All the players are the same and most of the coaches are the same yet somehow we expect to change? Last year people just got caught up in the emotion of getting a few cheap wins along with Primus's history to the club so decision was based on emotion moreso then reason. Also the financial situation didn't help either. Also coz of the financial situation Port will be stuck with Primus for years no matter how poorly the team performs.

At the moment you would have to think Essendon are showing that if you can flex financial muscle and pour resources into the off-field team behind the coach, the transformation can be startling.

 

[FishingRick04]

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I would like to keep Matty P, but could we please move heaven and earth to try and get Roo's or Malthouse.

Ohhh and sacked Cripps, Rhode, Hocking, Laidley.

Insert some new FRESH idea's and styles into our box.

 

[FishingRick04]

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At the moment you would have to think Essendon are showing that if you can flex financial muscle and pour resources into the off-field team behind the coach, the transformation can be startling.

i vowed not to make this comparison until rnd 10, but it's galringly obvious our coaching is hapless after seeing a similar list like Essendon take all before them and us play like headless Chooks.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

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Caro Wilson's article on Primus a couple of weeks back said that Brendan McCartney was runner-up to Primus for the Port coaching job. Port tried to get him over as a senior assistant but didn't have the money to entice him. Where did he wind up? Essendon.

 

[*PAF]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Some good posts on this page.
I too will have some sort of opinion on Primus, but not for another 19 weeks at least. Now is way too soon and the last thing I would want him to do is stop doing what should have been done in a planned fashion over the last 4 or 5 years.

 

[Frank Spencer Clone]

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Had to nod my head in agreement when one of the commentators made the point, early in the game, that we just don't have any stars and that our former stars have lost their shine.

How did we get such a mediocre list?

Very simple answer. Williams legacy.
Hanging onto ageing old hacks ( Mead, Lyle, Breuer, Paxman, Bishop, Primus, P Burgoyne, Cockatoo - Collins, Schofield, Kingsley etc etc ad nauseum ) well past their use by date, while allowing young talent to waste away in the SANFL for years and eventually piss off back to Victoria when they've had enough.
Not exactly rocket science.

 

[FishingRick04]

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Caro Wilson's article on Primus a couple of weeks back said that Brendan McCartney was runner-up to Primus for the Port coaching job. Port tried to get him over as a senior assistant but didn't have the money to entice him. Where did he wind up? Essendon.

Where was he before? Geelong, this is our problem and what I said earlier this week with my paying peanuts comment. we can't pay enough to get the good quality coaches, I'm sure in Choco's reign we were in the top 4 on coaching spend.

 

[aneale]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

To me, this hasnt eventuated. All our talls look badly under developed when you look at equivalent players on other lists. Crows for example....Tippett is a tank, Walker was a skinny kid now is a tank, Mckernan is a tank, Moran is a tank, Maric is a tank, Jacobs is a tank. Davis is slender but looks to have the body to become a tank. Look at the premiers. Cloke and Dawes are massive, Brown x2 are big, O'Brien is a tank, they re-recruited Tarrant who is a tank. Look at 09 premiers - Hawkins, Mooney etc. are all big bodied players.

Clearly, we got this completely wrong and are left with a bunch of talls who whilst talented cannot compete in one on one contests and with teams kicking long inside 50 this year, we've been badly left behind on this one.

a good comparator is Essendon, look at the size of Bellchambers, Gumbleton, Hooker, Hurley, Pears and even Ryder .... they are amassing big units who will improve and make their speed all the more dangerous.

 

[PJ Power]

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Based on his public interviews (and I acknowledge that this may not reflect real world), Primus is sticking by his guns and maintaining belief in his players. Laidley, on the other hand, leaves no doubt as to what he would do in Primus' position and then backs off by saying "those are not my decisions to make" relating to dropping players letting the team down. It sounds to me like Laidley is very quick to distance himself from Primus' selection choices.