Wasn’t that how we picked the premiers during the COVID seasons?
It’s hard to remember.
Proposal to include premierships dating back to 1870 gathering pace
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Wasn’t that how we picked the premiers during the COVID seasons?
It’s hard to remember.
We don't consider Geelong as part of Victoria. Completely different breed down there.
There should be a revised premiership ladder normalized for difficulty. For example, a flag won in an 18 team comp is a hell of a lot harder than in the early 1900s when there were only a handful of teams. Give 18 points for a flag won now and work backwards as new teams were introduced. That way we can see historically who actually is successful.
Lastly on dodgy flags, wasn't Collingwood awarded one in their "4-peat" on some ridiculous replay system rule? The fact that people claim those flags are as meritorious as current day ones is absurd.
Lastly on dodgy flags, wasn't Collingwood awarded one in their "4-peat" on some ridiculous replay system rule? The fact that people claim those flags are as meritorious as current day ones is absurd.
I think Port Adelaide still boast their SANFL Premierships. But when I started supporting Richmond I had no idea of their VFA success or even they had played in the VFA. No internet back then.
Hawthorn has no VFA flags, but how many VAFA flags do they have?
It seems most clubs ignore their pre-VFL/AFL history. Although it’s go a little bit better…
and why don’t they include all the ancient Greek Olympic results?
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Two teams, same club.Disagree
History in the making – 25 years since Port Adelaide entered the AFL
After nearly a decade of battling, Port Adelaide made its entry to the AFL competition. We reflect on the move which was anything but smooth sailing.www.theinnersanctum.com.au
“there would have to be two teams, the Magpies AND the AFL team.”
Anyway this is getting very off topic , I really don’t care for the extra flag push either way …I just don’t agree that PA is the same club as the PA in the SANFL
A club can have many teams in its umbrella. Port Adelaide Power is the senior team and Magpies is reserves.
Just like Footscray is reserves to Western.
Not everybody has do the same as Geelong. In fact it be cool if Geelong VFL team call themselves the Pivotonians.
come to think of it…every AFL team should link their VFL Team to a name of the past.
Thus:
Brisbane - Fitzroy Bears
Carlton - Cockatoos
Collingwood - Brittania
Essendon - Same old’s
Geelong - Pivitonians
Gold Coast - Lifesavers?
GWS - ?
North Melbourne - Shinboners
Richmond - Wasps
Sydney - South Melbourne Bloods
Western - Footscray
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Whilst the sentiment is correct, I simply do not understand why he is trying to count flags prior to 1897 as if it the league had start in 1870, assuming that is what he is trying to do. Hell, I count our 22 flags in my signature because I agree historically it is the same football competition for these clubs of one season onto the next but the fact is they left the VFA in 1897 to form a breakaway group for next season and left the Port Melbourne's, Williamstown's etc behind to continue the VFA for years to come. So they did form another league to continue their football competition as the premier competition and they considered VFA to now no longer be the premier compeition.
As consensus we count the premierships in this league that started in 1897 so we have 16 premierships in this league and have 22 premierships from the football seasons from 1870 to now. But they historically are still different league's. So I'm struggling to understand why Colin Carter wants to make it seem like this breakway league that started in 1897 can claim the league started in 1870.
World Series Cricket started when I was a kid in late 70's. It was the best cricket competition for those two seasons it lasted but we do not try to make out the Supertests played were establishment ICC Test matches. The records are there for WSC for anyone to look up. Same with the VFA from 1870 to 1896. Those records are there for me to value but I still know it is prior to this league starting so I do not count it for our league records.
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Go the other way, just start from 1990. 
Sttew
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Different ABN’s
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Let's just count them from when the competition had the teams it has now (ie since 2012 when GWS joined). Oh look, Richmond's equal 1st!
Seriously, if Geelong need to feel better about themselves by counting flags won in the 1800s when grand finals weren't even played, maybe we should look at their collective mental health
Seriously, if Geelong need to feel better about themselves by counting flags won in the 1800s when grand finals weren't even played, maybe we should look at their collective mental health
So are the leagues your mate has proposed to merge in. What’s the difference?
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I don't agree that pre 1897 should be merged with VFL/AFL, but I do agree we should separate pre 1897; VFL and AFL premierships and acknowledge them all.
All or just the vic ones?
Exactly.
Hawks have 13 flags against most of the teams, but 5 against West Coast, freo, bears/lions
Go the other way, just start from 1990.
Nah, you are making way too much sense now. BAN!!!
Can't wait for the next argument of counting reserves & underage team premierships next to each clubs tallys.
There's more chance of Essendon winning a final than there is of premierships being back dated!
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Which non Victorian teams existed before joining the VFL/AFL?
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So I just heard there was no grand finals and not many games and a journalist guessed the best team.
Surely Colin Carter is taking the piss.
Surely Colin Carter is taking the piss.
I'm in favour of expanding the scope.
As a member of the U12s Nedlands/Dalkieth Premiership team, I feel my contribution to the AFL has been overlooked.
I'm glad I'm finally receiving the recognition I deserve.
As a member of the U12s Nedlands/Dalkieth Premiership team, I feel my contribution to the AFL has been overlooked.
I'm glad I'm finally receiving the recognition I deserve.
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Yes. From 1888 until 1902, the premiership was determined based on win–loss record, with a playoff match played only in the event of teams finishing with equal records. Not much different to some of the early VFL premierships.
Port Adelaide the obvious one.
Freo did in some historical form before splitting which is acknowledged in retro round and is now a part of our current strip.
The Histories are irrelevant now but if you are adding some more to the record books, you need to add all of them.
The AFL needs to have AFL flags and list the other flags from other competitions in their History. Simple, it wasn’t that hard for the Big Bash to start from scratch so not sure why the administrators have such a hard time about it once it became the AFL.
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Why are so many people upset their team has won fewer flags than Geelong?
