Preview Qualifying Final 1- Adelaide Crows vs GWS Giants, Thursday 7th September, 19.20pm, Adelaide Oval

[JC100]

I am more and more thinking that Griff is a realistic chance of a recall for this game along with MDB or possibly TT. Stevie J is cooked unfortunately and Hopper and Lobb are under extreme pressure to keep their spots.

Griffen cops some flak in here but simple fact is when he players we are far better around the contest and although Hopper will overtake him he hasn't yet


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[Land of the Giants]

I am more and more thinking that Griff is a realistic chance of a recall for this game along with MDB or possibly TT. Stevie J is cooked unfortunately and Hopper and Lobb are under extreme pressure to keep their spots.

Griffen cops some flak in here but simple fact is when he players we are far better around the contest and although Hopper will overtake him he hasn't yet
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Griffen was listed as being two weeks away on August 22nd, so technically he'd be right for next Thursday. It would be great to have him back;
we're much stronger with him. He'd certainly bring the grunt needed to help Coniglio, but lacking match fitness, he'd be a risk.

And unless he's seriously injured, there's no way Lobb will get dropped. We need those sticky hands.

 

[JC100]

Griffen was listed as being two weeks away on August 22nd, so technically he'd be right for next Thursday. It would be great to have him back;
we're much stronger with him. He'd certainly bring the grunt needed to help Coniglio, but lacking match fitness, he'd be a risk.

And unless he's seriously injured, there's no way Lobb will get dropped. We need those sticky hands.

My thoughts change daily on it but as of today I feel that we also need far more defensive pressure in the forward half. Massive Lobb fan but more and more I struggle to see Patton, Cameron and Lobb in the same side.


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[Ichabod Noodle]

Can't see how you'd possibly justify Griff. Hasn't played since round three. It's not just match fitness, it's rustiness. You've seen Lids take two in the magoos and a couple in the seniors and he's now only just hitting his strides. We don't have two or three games for him to get back up to speed.

I'd worry about Taranto and he had a good run in the NEAFL a week ago and was only out for half as long.

Kennedy, M has been playing some good footy at both levels (the critical bit there being "playing") if you need to make a change inside.

 

[Simmofreo]

My thoughts change daily on it but as of today I feel that we also need far more defensive pressure in the forward half. Massive Lobb fan but more and more I struggle to see Patton, Cameron and Lobb in the same side.


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It sounds bloody crazy. And i keep going back and watching the Melbourne game. With no tall forwards

All the mids just scored with ease.

But it feels terrible the thought of not having one of Lobb, patton or Cameron in the team. But it feels like the way to go.

If one of them missed a premiership they would leave for sure.

But as crazy as it sounds i feel cameron is the one to miss

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[Giant Strides]

Whoa - that sure is some crazy shit!

Seriously, though, it's a pertinent discussion, talls vs smalls, but I doubt that Jezza would be the one to miss. I like Rory, but too often this year we haven't got enough out of him in my humble opinion.

 

[Bokonon_]

Whoa - that sure is some crazy shit!

Seriously, though, it's a pertinent discussion, talls vs smalls, but I doubt that Jezza would be the one to miss. I like Rory, but too often this year we haven't got enough out of him in my humble opinion.

Rory is a strong second ruck and has brought us back into the game when Mummy needs support at the taps, Collingwood for instance.
If we have to play two rucks then there's no extra space for small forwards?

 

[Giant Strides]

Rory is a strong second ruck and has brought us back into the game when Mummy needs support at the taps, Collingwood for instance.
If we have to play two rucks then there's no extra space for small forwards?

Correct. Personally I favour our standard 3 tall & 4 small forwards setup, but there's no doubting it hasn't worked out as well this year as last year. A lot of that though is due to Stevie J's decline (we've lost a lot of roving and about 40 goals), added in with Greene missing 6 games, Smith being off target & Deledio not being on the park for most of the year to pick up the slack.

I like what Rory brings in a 3 KPF setup ... but for a 2 KPF setup I'd opine that he just hasn't brung it well enough or often enough in 2017; by which I mean contested marking (he's a bit down on his great 2016 year) & goal kicking. My view is that as forwards, Cameron > Lobb, and if you only go two forwards then Lobb misses because you need the goalscoring power, and you use a real spare such as Patton or Tommo to pinch hit in the ruck. I also think we haven't got the best from Mummy this year either - he's been 'influential' in many less games than in previous years. So, yeah, we've needed Lobb to ruck more to cover for when Mummy's a bit off.

Some of the KPF problem, though, is on the midfielders (or tactics coaches!) not kicking into the F50 to our KPF's advantage. Look at the kicks to Hawkins on Saturday night - low in front allowing him to take it on the chest or dive into it to protect the ball from the trailing defender. GWS tends to bomb it high - which may be because Patton and Lobb like it up to suit their marking style, but allows too much opportunity for defenders to knock it away. Our fault is that we're too slow on the kick into the 50. Often we look. look, look for options - by which time the man with one defender who did have a bit of space is closed up. But then, instead of working it into spaces for our smalls (both forwards and mids having streamed forward) to take a precise pass, we elect to ****ing bomb it anyway to a large contest! Just dumb! Sometimes it pays off - the Bulldogs game was a good example, but I'd suggest that is as much down to the junior defenders they had, whereas the finals teams won't give us that luxury.

 

[Bokonon_]

Correct. Personally I favour our standard 3 tall & 4 small forwards setup, but there's no doubting it hasn't worked out as well this year as last year. A lot of that though is due to Stevie J's decline (we've lost a lot of roving and about 40 goals), added in with Greene missing 6 games, Smith being off target & Deledio not being on the park for most of the year to pick up the slack.

I like what Rory brings in a 3 KPF setup ... but for a 2 KPF setup I'd opine that he just hasn't brung it well enough or often enough in 2017; by which I mean contested marking (he's a bit down on his great 2016 year) & goal kicking. My view is that as forwards, Cameron > Lobb, and if you only go two forwards then Lobb misses because you need the goalscoring power, and you use a real spare such as Patton or Tommo to pinch hit in the ruck. I also think we haven't got the best from Mummy this year either - he's been 'influential' in many less games than in previous years. So, yeah, we've needed Lobb to ruck more to cover for when Mummy's a bit off.

Some of the KPF problem, though, is on the midfielders (or tactics coaches!) not kicking into the F50 to our KPF's advantage. Look at the kicks to Hawkins on Saturday night - low in front allowing him to take it on the chest or dive into it to protect the ball from the trailing defender. GWS tends to bomb it high - which may be because Patton and Lobb like it up to suit their marking style, but allows too much opportunity for defenders to knock it away. Our fault is that we're too slow on the kick into the 50. Often we look. look, look for options - by which time the man with one defender who did have a bit of space is closed up. But then, instead of working it into spaces for our smalls (both forwards and mids having streamed forward) to take a precise pass, we elect to ******* bomb it anyway to a large contest! Just dumb! Sometimes it pays off - the Bulldogs game was a good example, but I'd suggest that is as much down to the junior defenders they had, whereas the finals teams won't give us that luxury.

I get the forward line option and that's valid but the ruck would suffer too much in my view. If that structural change were to be made it might be better to move Rory into no 1 ruck or Dawson. Then we lose a big tough midfielder though. There are some worrying signs in Rory's body language recently to me and I dont know what's going on. If he needs to be left out fair enough. I wouldn't personally favour going in with Mummy, at this late stage of his career, and then an amateur for support that's all.

 

[Giant Strides]

I get the forward line option and that's valid but the ruck would suffer too much in my view. If that structural change were to be made it might be better to move Rory into no 1 ruck or Dawson. Then we lose a big tough midfielder though. There are some worrying signs in Rory's body language recently to me and I dont know what's going on. If he needs to be left out fair enough. I wouldn't personally favour going in with Mummy, at this late stage of his career, and then an amateur for support that's all.

Re Rory's body language, it could be that his groin issue is still troubling him. As for the rest, agree with the comments - that is why, IMHO, we tend to stick with the 3 KPF setup. But we cannot deny it hasn't worked as favourably for us in 2017 as it did in 2016, hence the discussion - which is a valid debate.

 

[Bokonon_]

Re Rory's body language, it could be that his groin issue is still troubling him. As for the rest, agree with the comments - that is why, IMHO, we tend to stick with the 3 KPF setup. But we cannot deny it hasn't worked as favourably for us in 2017 as it did in 2016, hence the discussion - which is a valid debate.

Of course it is. Just looking at the other impacts well. I see and hate the bombed forward 50 entries. We haven't had many occasions recently with the three talls and Toby available, and maybe that's part of it. I really like Devon but he is down on form. Him lifting and linking better would make a difference I think. At his best his field kicking and feeding the deep forwards is all class.
I hope Rory's issue is physical and can be fixed easily, I am at bit worried.

 

[Go the Guts]

In finals the cream rises to the top, and Adelaide has a lot more passengers than the giants have.

Dellidio was born for this moment.

Giants by 30+

Teams with lots of passengers don't finish minor premiers with all due respect. But nice try. There's a whole lot more to this caper than talented individuals.

 

[Colonial]

But as crazy as it sounds i feel cameron is the one to miss

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Simmo youre on the juice again.

No way a fit Jezza misses and ill fight anyone who says its General .

I like Lobb but if one of the talls is to sit out then its him.

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[Simmofreo]

Correct. Personally I favour our standard 3 tall & 4 small forwards setup, but there's no doubting it hasn't worked out as well this year as last year. A lot of that though is due to Stevie J's decline (we've lost a lot of roving and about 40 goals), added in with Greene missing 6 games, Smith being off target & Deledio not being on the park for most of the year to pick up the slack.

I like what Rory brings in a 3 KPF setup ... but for a 2 KPF setup I'd opine that he just hasn't brung it well enough or often enough in 2017; by which I mean contested marking (he's a bit down on his great 2016 year) & goal kicking. My view is that as forwards, Cameron > Lobb, and if you only go two forwards then Lobb misses because you need the goalscoring power, and you use a real spare such as Patton or Tommo to pinch hit in the ruck. I also think we haven't got the best from Mummy this year either - he's been 'influential' in many less games than in previous years. So, yeah, we've needed Lobb to ruck more to cover for when Mummy's a bit off.

Some of the KPF problem, though, is on the midfielders (or tactics coaches!) not kicking into the F50 to our KPF's advantage. Look at the kicks to Hawkins on Saturday night - low in front allowing him to take it on the chest or dive into it to protect the ball from the trailing defender. GWS tends to bomb it high - which may be because Patton and Lobb like it up to suit their marking style, but allows too much opportunity for defenders to knock it away. Our fault is that we're too slow on the kick into the 50. Often we look. look, look for options - by which time the man with one defender who did have a bit of space is closed up. But then, instead of working it into spaces for our smalls (both forwards and mids having streamed forward) to take a precise pass, we elect to ******* bomb it anyway to a large contest! Just dumb! Sometimes it pays off - the Bulldogs game was a good example, but I'd suggest that is as much down to the junior defenders they had, whereas the finals teams won't give us that luxury.

Agree with the long bomb thing

We usually go in more times than the opposition but dont score

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[Simmofreo]

Simmo youre on the juice again.

No way a fit Jezza misses and ill fight anyone who says its General .

I like Lobb but if one of the talls is to sit out then its him.

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GG i just dont feel Jezz has been on song

I can't remember him taking a game by the horns this yeat

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[Colonial]

GG i just dont feel Jezz has been on song

I can't remember him taking a game by the horns this yeat

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Still our top scorer and he missed games.

Way to much firepower to be leaving on the pine.

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[noe_jose]

GG i just dont feel Jezz has been on song

I can't remember him taking a game by the horns this yeat

I feel like he played some really good games early on in the season. Others were out but he was leading the Coleman race until his injury.

We have some great talls but it's hard to argue with how much better the team looked against Melbourne. Hopefully Rory steps up but if one of the three has to go I don't see how we pass up Cameron or Patton.

 

[Danny88]

Lots of talk about the forward line here... we lost that game cos our mids lost the contest. -24 contested ball and 9 goals from turnovers.... the focus for improvement is on the wrong area

 

[JC100]

Lots of talk about the forward line here... we lost that game cos our mids lost the contest. -24 contested ball and 9 goals from turnovers.... the focus for improvement is on the wrong area

This is why Is why i am of the belief that Griffen comes back in. He is simply too good a player to leave out if fit and he excels in the contest. He has shown before that he can come in off a long lay off and have an impact.

Someone else suggested it would take a few weeks to get going like Lids but Lids has had to learn to play with a whole new team


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[Bokonon_]

I'm just hoping we have enough supporters buying cat A tkts that I wont be surrounded by Crows. I know Crows supporters going but I wouldn't want to sit in a Crows section. At ANZ last year we were told places to select, but with a much smaller griup not this time.

 

[Determinant]

No mate, but club is open now, am sure they'd be able to assist

 

[Bokonon_]

Can't see how you'd possibly justify Griff. Hasn't played since round three. It's not just match fitness, it's rustiness. You've seen Lids take two in the magoos and a couple in the seniors and he's now only just hitting his strides. We don't have two or three games for him to get back up to speed.

I'd worry about Taranto and he had a good run in the NEAFL a week ago and was only out for half as long.

Kennedy, M has been playing some good footy at both levels (the critical bit there being "playing") if you need to make a change inside.

What you said. I can see WC throwing Nic Nat in and hoping but other than a talisman player serious cause for thought at this time of year.

 

[Bokonon_]

No mate, but club is open now, am sure they'd be able to assist

All sorted will wing it. It did recognise the Giants barcode and limited me to a couple of places so I'm relaxed. Trip sorted. Credit card recovering in a glass of ice water.
Edit: Apparently some fool who shall remain nameless ignored the local time message in the email and tried to buy 30 mins early.

 

[Simmofreo]

Still our top scorer and he missed games.

Way to much firepower to be leaving on the pine.

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Yeah true

Can't forget his QF last year too I guess. Was the difference

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[Simmofreo]

This is why Is why i am of the belief that Griffen comes back in. He is simply too good a player to leave out if fit and he excels in the contest. He has shown before that he can come in off a long lay off and have an impact.

Someone else suggested it would take a few weeks to get going like Lids but Lids has had to learn to play with a whole new team


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At least Griff knows the team well. lids had to learn that

Would be a massive gamble and someone would be unlucky to miss.

If DeBoar comes in for SJ, then who misses for Griff do you think

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