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Review Qualifying Final v North Melbourne: Friday 8 November @ Ikon Park
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1 goal in the AFLW is like 5 in the men’s game.
Pretty gutsy performance, honestly. Should have made more of our second quarter dominance. At the end of the day, the difference between North and the Crows are that when a North player gets the ball inside 50, they know how to find a player or score a goal. The Crows, at best, just kick it to a contest, and at worst just kick it blindly.
Still, that football would have beaten 16 other teams. Just not North.
Still, that football would have beaten 16 other teams. Just not North.
So 1 point is like.... 5 points??
All other things aside, we've been very fumbly over the last month or two and it's really cost us in crucial moments. Chief offenders are Hatchard, Kelly, Tonon, Charlton. Goodwin tonight as well.
Other than in the second quarter when we had them under pressure, North didn't fumble. Big difference.
I agree with those saying that we have too many passengers. We need to find 4-5 more genuine players so we're not forced to rotate between the Martin/Varnhagen/Waterhouse/Kustermann types.
Other than in the second quarter when we had them under pressure, North didn't fumble. Big difference.
I agree with those saying that we have too many passengers. We need to find 4-5 more genuine players so we're not forced to rotate between the Martin/Varnhagen/Waterhouse/Kustermann types.
Without wanting to make too big a deal out of it, there should be certain umpiring errors that see you blacklisted for life, or at least not allowed to umpire again until you pass some kind of competency test.
That deliberate call against Prowse was one of those. It sure would have been nice to go into half time only having conceded one goal.
That deliberate call against Prowse was one of those. It sure would have been nice to go into half time only having conceded one goal.
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Did we lose by 1 point or 1 goal 1 point?
This doesn't feel like a premiership winning list like it has in previous years. A few players letting us down over and over. I agree that the gameplan is not good enough against the best either. We are good at applying pressure. This keeps us in most games but also makes it very hard for us to score. We are too addicted to keeping it in close, applying pressure and scrapping for a win. We looked better when at the start of the season we actually tried to give our players time and space, and move the ball quickly. We just pressure now, don't score then run out of legs. This gameplan doesn't make the most of the star players we have. Randall, Biddell, Gould and a few others really paper over a lot of cracks.
Missed the first part of the game tonight and just after turning on the ump paid deliberate in the goal square to Norf. That is one of the worst decisions I've seen in a game. Make that a rushed behind and we lose by 2 points again which is about right. We were reamed by the umps tonight and it feels like we haven't had a great season with the fluoro maggots.
Missed the first part of the game tonight and just after turning on the ump paid deliberate in the goal square to Norf. That is one of the worst decisions I've seen in a game. Make that a rushed behind and we lose by 2 points again which is about right. We were reamed by the umps tonight and it feels like we haven't had a great season with the fluoro maggots.
Did you watch the Brisbane v North match at the start of the season?
We have had an 8 point and a 7 point loss against North. Brisbane were smashed, as were the other finalists that played North. How the 10th placed Cats drew with them is hard to explain.
So we aren't talking about Brisbane now ?? We were before.....
The rainy conditions had a big part in that result.
Again, I actually think we played some pretty good football tonight. We have too many passengers, yes. But it has to be acknowledged that North are a damn good side. When two good sides play well against each other, one of them still ends up losing.
Yes, I wish we would try something tactically to nullify the impact of their star players, but we don't really have many players of that ilk. And frankly, nobody else has managed to do it either.
Agreed. You made it very uncomfortable for us.
I hate that deliberate free by the way.
I was under the impression you can rush it within 10m when a player is around. If we can’t agree what the rule is, maybe make it a ball up at the top of the square rather than a free kick.
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Yes, that’s fair.
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I’m not confident we will beat Brisbane who should beat Hawthorne.
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I think the missed 50s (mostly to Adelaide) for North players who just drop the ball rather than give it back to the player, etc. will probably be looked at more harshly. (I think North deliberately push the edge of the law here to help them track back quickly, and mostly they are permitted to get away with it.)
It's easy to explain an individual bad call by a poor angle. Basic procedural errors (common in AFLW sadly) are generally judged much more poorly.
I agree with all of that. North just have some extra quality lower in their squad.
What we could do is hold our structure better. North seemed to free up a high half forward free near the bench just by waiting for our defender to start drifting towards the play, catching us out on the turnover.
That rundown by Chelsea was one of the best things I’ve ever seen on a football field.
And that deliberate was just a shocker. You can’t be making calls like that if you don’t want to keep get selected for a suburban match. And a reserves one at that
Yep history repeating, look North have probably just been the better side in those last 3 games the Crows have played them but jeez they have been helped out a couple of times by some umpiring (in the 2 finals) and all 3 games by the Crows errors on-field and by the coaches.
I thought the 1st quarter was the Crows best, thought the tackling, defensive setup and ball movement was at its best, sure they had lots of territory in the 2nd but every possession was under pressure and not clean and despite having it inside 50 they couldn’t even get any shots away. 2nd half was what the Crows have experienced against North recently, they get dominated in the midfield as they do nothing to stop the opposition’s game, become handball happy and panic handball to players under pressure and on the turnover North have free players all over the park.
Also the running power North possess just killed them, they could go with them for a half but whether it’s a personnel or just a fitness thing they couldn’t match them the further the game went on (which has been a pattern against these more athletically gifted teams like Brisbane, North & Melbourne… coincidentally the teams they do lose to at this time of year). Again like I said early in the game Clarke barely trusting anyone on the bench has a two-fold effect as not only due to the lack of rotation (49 out of 60) players tire in the 2nd half but because he gives the bench players so little time on ground they play like they’re totally disconnected from the play when they are on the ground.
Feel for Randall who has tried so hard this year but just like the last couple of seasons her teammates are just spluttering over the finish line; her, Gould, Biddell and probably Goodwin can hold their head high after tonight.
Marinoff has certainly dropped off from her ridiculously high level since the GWS game, hasn’t had close to the same cleanness and influence with her possessions since that game - Clarke forcing her to play on Garner is as close to a sackable move I’ve seen.
One thing that’s really annoyed me as the season has progressed is you had a strength last year with Newman & Kelly on each wing, one a player who ran up and back & gained metres by distributing the ball and another who gained metres with her ball carrying and speed, but this year Newman has now been turned from a free moving distributor by foot into nothing more than a contested, panic handball merchant in a team crying out for a running distributor (thanks for that coaches) and Kelly has turned into lost puppy unsure where she should be positioned half the time and is either stuck away from the play or when she is forced to go into the contest fumbles under any pressure. Thought both despite getting hands on the ball a fair bit put in two of the most un-finals like ‘soft’ performances, totally unacceptable in a final.
Charlton was bad tonight but after being left to die at the half-forward wilderness this year I can’t be too harsh towards her, Munyard tried a lot harder than others - I commend her for the effort she’s shown in the back half of the year it’s just very unfortunate she doesn’t have the talent to fully succeed at this level, other senior players like Hatchard & Thompson should be ashamed of themselves tonight, putrid. Hatchard simply can’t move anymore, her groin/hips/back has clearly gone at the start of the season and she’s tried to carry it but it’s just hurting the team this season.
As the season has gone on you do unfortunately start to struggle to see decent AFLW futures for Levy, Tonon, Mueller and Kustermann, feel sorry for them as they’re in no-win situations coming off the bench with limited game time but all clearly struggle with intensity and lack any decent athletic traits which can either get themselves out of trouble or cause damage on the opposition. Kustermann and Levy looked totally hapless in their first final.
Yep, basically Lucas Herbert’ed Tarlinton
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I thought Newman was decent tonight. As for Kelly, I agree - the difference between her 2023 and 2024 campaigns is stark. Speed is her one-wood, but her decision-making under pressure is poor. If we're going to use her, we need to put her in situations where she can use her strengths without exposing her deficiencies.
Munyard has really surprised me in the second half of the season, I never saw her as a speedy player before but she looks electric on the field at times and has been backing herself in more often. Just wish she could have kicked that goal on the run.
Something has gone wrong with Hatchard. She is almost comically fumbly, regardless of whether there is pressure or not. And her kicking and decision-making have gone to shit. That miskick to a player in the defensive goal square with an opponent on her was unforgivable. It's a shame because even with all the negatives, she's still one of our better players and has the potential to be among our best again. But something needs to change, whether it's her body letting her down or something else.
Levy does fine when the game is contested, but as soon as it gets to the outside she is effectively a traffic cone. Unfortunately all of the best sides in the league (other than us) thrive on uncontested ball, rendering her ineffective in finals. Kustermann has something, I like her defensive efforts and she's clearly got footy smarts, but just hasn't been able to put it all together yet. I just don't see it with Tonon, she seems to make critical mistakes every time it counts, and it's not like she kills it even when the pressure is off. Mueller is alright, not among our biggest problems at the moment.
It's pretty clear that we need replacements for at least two of the four you mentioned, plus Martin. I like Ballard but she's a depth player at best. Who knows with Allen, she's looked alright at times but has barely got on the park for two years now. Jones should come back, at least.
And then there's the players who didn't play tonight. There's not a lot of value in retaining the likes of Varnhagen and Waterhouse. Boileau and Boyle-Carr should be given a chance to show they can develop into quality players, but they'd want to make some serious strides next year. Smith should be delisted, and Henry hasn't been close to selection.
There's certainly no shortage of players to replace!
And I'm going to keep banging on this drum - I simply do not understand how you can have four players play less than 50% game time, when nobody was injured. Levy with 42% game time, Kustermann with 32%, Martin with 30%, Tarlinton with 20%. Those numbers are simply unacceptable. For comparison, North didn't have a single player with with less than 50% game time.
What is the strategy there? If those players aren't good enough to put on the field, then don't play them. If they're good enough to be on the field, then give them a chance to warm into the damn game! Just conceding that you will have four players occupying the bench for the vast majority of the match is ludicrous.
Given the pathetic TOG, Kustermann's 8 disposals and 4 tackles doesn't look that bad.
What is the strategy there? If those players aren't good enough to put on the field, then don't play them. If they're good enough to be on the field, then give them a chance to warm into the damn game! Just conceding that you will have four players occupying the bench for the vast majority of the match is ludicrous.
Given the pathetic TOG, Kustermann's 8 disposals and 4 tackles doesn't look that bad.
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Delisting players like Varnhagen, Allen and Martin will be seen as "tough calls" due to them being premiership players but we need a bit of list turnover. We have too many defenders and not enough genuine forwards.
I also don't see the point of going to the draft to get mature age players like Tarlinton (yes she's 22 but well beyond draft age) if we don't actually rate them to immediately play.
Additionally I think we are giving players like Kustermann and Boileau the "Crows mens treatment" of being largely midfielders that we are introducing to AFLW level in crappy roles like half forward which makes them look bad
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