Rate my team for 2010 (cont)

[Piikeyyy]

The other three in Morib, Martin and Trengove will definately play..McVeigh won't cause he is suspended.

The tall fowards he selected are going to be great scorers IMO, the three you have suggested not so.

Mcveigh is suspended?

 

[Stormer]

Anybody I have injured or in doubt? Haven't been following all too much this season.

Enright
Shaw
Fisher
Ellis
McPhee
R Clarke
Hunt

Stanton
Morton
Masten
McVeigh
Trengove
Martin

Jolly
Ottens

Didak
O'Keefe
Brown
Pavlich
Gray
Ziebell
Mayne

Waters
Davis
Morabito
Cunnington
Warnock
Lobbe
Dennis Lane
Tapscott

 

[Weekend Hussler]

Backs
Goddard, B
Enright, C
Duffield, P
Broughton, G
Hodge, L
Selwood, S
Kennelly, T

Davis, P
Webberley, J

Mids
Swan, D (c)
Gibbs, B
Selwood, J
Trengove, J
Martin, D
Morabito, A

Bastinac, R
Kayler-Thompson, J

Rucks
Kreuzer, M
Tippett, K

Warnock, R
Lobbe, M

Forwards
Riewoldt, N
O'Keefe, R
Pavlich, M
Gray, R
Ziebell, J
Dangerfield, P
Dennis-Lane, T

Gumbleton, S
Tapscott, L



Any thoughts on those players?

 

[Weekend Hussler]

Any thoughts on my team would be much appreciated. I'm thinking that I am probably lacking a few real real premium players (especially in the fwd line), ie Goddard, Swan, Ablett, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Sandilands.

Backs: Gram, Hodge, H.Shaw, J.Waite, Grundy, Kennelly, Ladson (Davis, Markovic)

Mids: Bartel, Gibbs, Pendlebury, L.Ball, Trengove, Martin (Morabito, Bastinac)

Rucks: Jolly, Tippett (Skipper, Lobbe)

Fwds: Goodes, Sylvia, Franklin, Rioli, Gray, Ziebell, Wonaemirri (Tapscott, Dennis-Lane)

I have question marks over Grundy (can he improve enough?), Ladson (Hawks best 22?) and Sylvia (injuries, suspensions).

Swap Sylvia for Pav imo.

 

[Axel.]

Any thoughts on my team would be much appreciated. I'm thinking that I am probably lacking a few real real premium players (especially in the fwd line), ie Goddard, Swan, Ablett, Pavlich, Reiwoldt, Sandilands.

Backs: Gram, Hodge, H.Shaw, J.Waite, Grundy, Kennelly, Ladson (Davis, Markovic)

Mids: Bartel, Gibbs, Pendlebury, L.Ball, Trengove, Martin (Morabito, Bastinac)

Rucks: Jolly, Tippett (Skipper, Lobbe)

Fwds: Goodes, Sylvia, Franklin, Rioli, Gray, Ziebell, Wonaemirri (Tapscott, Dennis-Lane)

Bartel is the only premium player you need, he averages 115+ the past 2 years and averaged about 108 this year and was carrying injuries.

Just a few things about your defense.

Waite is very risky you should upgrade or downgrade him and Ladson probably won't play round 1. My advice is to get Suban.

And Franklin won't play round 1.

 

[Bluesnozza]

Anybody I have injured or in doubt? Haven't been following all too much this season.

Enright
Shaw
Fisher
Ellis
McPhee
R Clarke
Hunt

Stanton
Morton
Masten
McVeigh
Trengove
Martin

Jolly
Ottens

Didak
O'Keefe
Brown
Pavlich
Gray
Ziebell
Mayne

Waters
Davis
Morabito
Cunnington
Warnock
Lobbe
Dennis Lane
Tapscott

Injured or doubtful = R.Clarke, Waters, Ottens
Suspended Round 1 = McVeigh

Otherwise a good team on paper. X.Ellis is a bit of a risky selecion due to his injury history but I can't fault the team other than that.

 

[Jars458]

Duffield, P
Broughton, G
Kayler-Thompson, J
Gumbleton,

Any thoughts on those players?

These are the only queries I have. Duffield will struggle to match last year for mine, same with Broughton though I agree he is very impressive.

Never hared of Kayler Thompson but doesn't meant that much I guess

Gumbleton for me is a no-no. Injured again and even if he plays surely will take time to adapt to the AFL.

 

[Piikeyyy]

Done a bit of tinkering.. let me know what you think any considerable weak points?

Backs: Enright, R Shaw, Hodge, H Shaw, Ellis, S Selwood, Kennelly ( Trengove, Davis)

Mids: Gibbs, J Selwood, Cooney, Sidebottom, Trengove, Martin ( Morabito, Shuey)

Rucks: Jolly, Kreuzer (Prato, Bass)

Forwards: O'Keefe, Giansiracusa, Brennan, Bate, Rioli, Polkinghorne, Dangerfield (Tapscott, Dennis-Lane)

Bank: 15,800

 

[Lord_Travis]

Cant tell if this team is genius or idiotic. It'll be changed 50 times before lockout anyhoo

Backs: Goddard, Enright, Kelly, Hodge, Kennelly, Ladson, Hunt (Sheppard, Davis)

Mids: Ablett, Vince, Goodes, Masten, Trengove, Martin (Bastinac, Shuey)

Rucks: Sandilands, Tippett (Warnock, Lobbe)

Forwards: Sylvia, Pavlich, Franklin, Murphy, Hall, Dangerfield, Maric (Tapscott, Dennis-Lane)

 

[SM]

Wanted to take out Gumby after the latest injury so I dropped Riewoldt and picked up Le Cras and Ziebell - though I'm not sure if dropping Riewoldt is the better option. Riewoldt or Brown?

 

[Bluetiger]

Ive rated a few teams for others, and had some good feedback given to me too.....

Having tinkered a bit more, what do you think:

B: Enright Hodge Gilbee Milburn McPhee Greenwood Waters
(emerg davis/trengrove)

M: Bartel Hayes Pendlebury Cooney Trengrove Martin
(emerg Shuey/Kayler-Thomson)

R: Jolly Kruezer
(warnock/bass (dont believe in a 4th bench ruckman, money spent better elsewhere)

F: O'Keefe Pavlich Higgins Harvey Dangerfield Tapscott
(gumbleton/Dennis-Lane)

I feel its quite strong and even with the exception of the one rookie in the forward line. Think tapscott has more scoring power than Gumbleton, but if NAB Cup shows different can always start Gumby for Rnd 1

 

[Bluesnozza]

Ive rated a few teams for others, and had some good feedback given to me too.....

Having tinkered a bit more, what do you think:

B: Enright Hodge Gilbee Milburn McPhee Greenwood Waters
(emerg davis/trengrove)

M: Bartel Hayes Pendlebury Cooney Trengrove Martin
(emerg Shuey/Kayler-Thomson)

R: Jolly Kruezer
(warnock/bass (dont believe in a 4th bench ruckman, money spent better elsewhere)

F: O'Keefe Pavlich Higgins Harvey Dangerfield Tapscott
(gumbleton/Dennis-Lane)

I feel its quite strong and even with the exception of the one rookie in the forward line. Think tapscott has more scoring power than Gumbleton, but if NAB Cup shows different can always start Gumby for Rnd 1

One thing I've learned over the past few years in DT is to be very weary of players with an extensive injury history. I feel that Waters and to a lesser extent Higgins could be risky choices because of the above fact.

I agree with your ruck theory and that makes even more sense this year with the new multi position rules in place.

Not sure about your Defence as I think there are better prospects than Milburn and McPhee in the 350-300k mark. Good midfield and forward line though but I'm sure you'll change things around a fair bit more before the season kicks off. Good luck.

 

[WeninRome]

4 rookies (never heard of Martin, I assume rookie) in the midfield is a risk.
Never said the talls can't score big, said they generally aren't good value. Riewoldt, Brown, Buddy + Pav= 1.65Million.. good value? Worth 3 Gabletts?

if you have never heard of Martin, you have no credibility in this forum.

 

[Pinochio]

Need help guys!

Backs - Goddard, Enright, Hodge, Shaw, Suban, Kennelly, Sheppard (Trengrove, Davis)

Mids - Bartel, Selwood, Cooney, Masten, Trengrove, Martin (Shuey, Bastinac)

Rucks - Kreuzer, Tippett (Warnok, Loobe)

Forwards - Reiwoldt, ROK, Pavlich, Rioli, Grey, Zeibell, Dangerfield (Dennis-Lane, Gumbleton)

3600 left in bank....

Quite happy with team except for starting sheppard...
Any advice on what to do with that spot?

Thx hypes!

 

[motorkerf]

I suggest some people read this.

2009 Perfect Starting 22 - Win with No trades used
Well, ive put together a team, as an example, that would of won in 2009, by 424 points, without having to use a single trade.

Here it is:

Code:
Pos Name Starting Price Team Total Points Rounds Played Rounds Missed and who Covered

B Goddard, Brendon $399,200.00 SK 2178 21 Rd 19
B Lockyer, Tarkyn $360,900.00 CO 2102 22
B Gram, Jason $344,800.00 SK 1929 21 Rd 9 (copped a zero)
B Hargrave, Ryan $321,400.00 WB 1864 20 Rd 8, 9
B Mundy, David $312,500.00 FR 1732 22
B Duffield, Paul $283,600.00 FR 1877 21 Rd 3
B Gilbert, Sam $221,900.00 SK 1693 19 Rd 11, 18, 19

B Hill, Stephen $142,600.00 FR 171 Rd 3 (Duffield), 8 (Hargrave), 9 (Hargrave), 19 (Goddard)
B Broughton, Greg $72,900.00 FR 325 Rd 11 (Gilbert), 18 (Gilbert), 19 (Gilbert)

C Swan, Dane $455,100.00 CO 2621 22
C Montagna, Leigh $388,300.00 SK 2433 21 Rd 19 (rich)
C Gibbs, Bryce $387,400.00 CA 2353 22
C Goodes, Adam $359,200.00 SY 2177 22
C Vince, Bernie $336,400.00 AD 2210 22
C Swallow, Andrew $227,800.00 NM 1976 22

C Rich, Daniel $126,600.00 BL 87 Rd 19 (montagna)
C Otten, Andy $126,500.00 AD 0

R McIntosh, Hamish $296,700.00 NM 1984 22
R Clark, Mitch $215,400.00 BL 2077 22

R Jacobs, Sam $72,900.00 CA 0
R Spencer, Jake $72,900.00 ME 0

F Riewoldt, Nick $441,300.00 SK 2237 21 Rd 19 (Brown)
F Johnson, Brad $386,100.00 WB 2160 22
F O'Keefe, Ryan $381,000.00 SY 2130 22
F Davey, Aaron $295,300.00 ME 1942 22
F McGrath, Ashley $216,600.00 BL 1546 22
F Tippett, Kurt $191,300.00 AD 1599 22
F Nahas, Robert $84,300.00 RI 1354 19 Rd 1 (Walker), 3 (Walker), 11 (Brown)

F Walker, Taylor $86,600.00 AD 122 Rd 1 (Nahas), 3 (Nahas)
F Brown, Mitchell $86,600.00 WC 140 Rd 11 (Nahas), 19 (Riewoldt)


SUB TOTAL 45019
Assume Captains ave 110 2420

TOTAL 47439

WINNER 47015

MARGIN +424 points
I think the most important aspect of this team is the durability of it. While the backline has been historically undurable for the DTers of the land, it is still quite durable - the rest of the side though is gold.

14 Players played all 22 games, and 20 played 20 games or more.

That said, when the backman of the above team did have players miss, he had players there ready to provide cover - cover is also important. But, even with cover, they still copped that zero in the backline in round 9 (even the best teams have to cop them ).

Also worth thinking about is this - how many popular BF hype picks were in this team? None of houlihan, krakouer, higgins, ablett, raines. Now, I know all of these turned out to be good picks and do their job (except perhaps raines who was injured - unlucky), but not many turned out to be competition winners - they never would of been anyway, as everyone had them!

So maybe being unique is what its all about? Nah, I had every player in the above list in my team at some point during the preseason (i have the records) except duffield, mitch clark and ashley mcgrath. While players like swallow (didnt think was best 22), a. davey (too injury prone?) and brad johnson (ageing? past it?) were not in too many of my numerous preseason teams, they were still there, and they were still players i (and many others) considered. I guess it isnt so much about unique players (Though having one to two come off is a bonus), but more about the unique combination of players.

I have also split it up to see how many come from each club:

Code:
Team Number
AD 2
BL 2
CA 1
CO 2
ES 0
FR 2
GE 0
HW 0
ME 1
NM 2
PA 0
RI 1
SK 5
SY 2
WB 2
WC 0
TOTAL 22
Interestingly this breaks down to:

9/22 from teams ranked 1st-4th
5/22 from teams ranked 5th-8th
2/22 from teams ranked 9th-12th
6/22 from teams ranked 13th-16th

But, i think it is the teams that improve where we should look for the value:

Saints (4th-1st) = 5 players
Collingwood (8th-4th) = 2 players
Brisbane (10th-6th) = 2 players
Carlton (11th-7th) = 1 players

These 4 clubs have contribued 10/22 players in the above team.

However, other clubs to improve havent produced any:

Essendon (12th to 8th) = 0 players
Port Adelaide (13th - 9th) = 0 players
West Coast (15th - 11th) = 0 players

So perhaps we should look at the middle teir players of Teams In the top 10, looking to improve in 2010 for potential breakout players or players of significance.

Carlton and Hawthorn are the two teams that stand out to me currently.

Anyways, back to the winning team - i have also broken down the structure of the team by position:

Code:
Players Mid Pricers (120k-keeper) Rookies (<120k) Total
Backs 3 (>340k) 4 0 7
Centre 3 (>370k) 3 0 6
Ruck 0 (>300k) 2 0 2
Fwd 3 (>340k) 3 1 7
9 12 1 22
Very much a mid priced side with 12 players priced between a rookie and what I classed as a keeper/gun, though the side did start a rookie in the forward line which is interesting.

Finally, Ive made a list of the points per game improvement of each player in the above team:

Code:
2008 Average 2009 Average Change Ave Change by Position
Goddard, Brendon 90 103.7 13.7
Lockyer, Tarkyn 81.3 93.3 12
Gram, Jason 77.7 91.9 14.2
Hargrave, Ryan 72.4 93.2 20.8
Mundy, David 70.4 78.7 8.3
Duffield, Paul 63.9 89.3 25.4
Gilbert, Sam 50 89.1 39.1 19.07
Hill, Stephen
Broughton, Greg
Swan, Dane 102.5 119.1 16.6
Montagna, Leigh 87.5 115.9 28.4
Gibbs, Bryce 87.3 106.9 19.6
Goodes, Adam 80.9 99 18.1
Vince, Bernie 75.8 100.5 24.7
Swallow, Andrew 51.3 89.8 38.5 24.32
Rich, Daniel
Otten, Andy
McIntosh, Hamish 66.9 90.2 23.3
Clark, Mitch 48.5 94.4 45.9 34.6
Jacobs, Sam
Spencer, Jake
Riewoldt, Nick 99.4 106.5 7.1
Johnson, Brad 87 98.2 11.2
O'Keefe, Ryan 85.9 96.8 10.9
Davey, Aaron 66.5 88.3 21.8
McGrath, Ashley 48.8 70.3 21.5
Tippett, Kurt 43.1 72.7 29.6 17.02
Nahas, Robert NA NA
Walker, Taylor
Brown, Mitchell
TOTAL 21.46
Incredible really - every single player improved, by an averaged of 21.46. I think some of this can be accredited to a change in the way the game is played (maybe 5-10ppg in some cases), but overall this is eye opening.

I wonder what percentage of players improved their average in 2009 though?

I think this is important though, as it highlights the importance of finding value in every single player in your starting squad - you shouldnt pick one player you think wont improve.

So, some things that maybe we should consider in 2010 when making our DT squads:
- Durability really is king, however good cover is also important
- Make sure every player in your starting squad is someone who you think will improve
- Look for breakout contenders in improving sides
- Underpriced keepers are gold
- Being unique doesnt mean just having unique players (though the odd one or two helps), it can also mean a unique combination of players
- How many of the BF hype players paid off?

So, how did you do in 2009? Some things to ponder:

How many players in your initial squad played 22 games?

How many players in your initial squad played 20 games or more?

How many players from the 4 improving sides (saints, brisbane, collingwood and carlton) did you have in your initial 22?

How many "uniques" did you start off with? Did they come off?

Overall a very interesting side - i wonder what the reaction would of been if I had of posted this squad in the "rate my team" styled threads a week before lockout?

Cheers - Lakey91

 

[Shaunn]

Need help guys!

Backs - Goddard, Enright, Hodge, Shaw, Suban, Kennelly, Sheppard (Trengrove, Davis)

Mids - Bartel, Selwood, Cooney, Masten, Trengrove, Martin (Shuey, Bastinac)

Rucks - Kreuzer, Tippett (Warnok, Loobe)

Forwards - Reiwoldt, ROK, Pavlich, Rioli, Grey, Zeibell, Dangerfield (Dennis-Lane, Gumbleton)

3600 left in bank....

Quite happy with team except for starting sheppard...
Any advice on what to do with that spot?

Thx hypes!

Back line - Looks great but i don't think Shepperd is going to play many games.

Midfield - Good again but it's really up to you who you want, Masten or Swift, im not 100% sure but i went with Swift.

Rucks - Good Combo.

Forwards - All all very decent.


Pretty much an all around good team, not to much to change in my opinion.

 

[Shaunn]

Would be great to get some feedback on my team ,

 

[Scottydude]

Your a bit thin on the backline there! You must have money left???

 

[Dylan Burger]

Heres my first team for 2010, any thoughts and feedback appreciated
(didn't know how to get a photo up )

Backs: Cornes, Fisher, Hodge, Hurn, O'Brien, S. Selwood, Kenelly (Maguire, A. Smith)

Mids Ablett, Dal Santo, Cooney, Ward, McVeigh, Trengove (Martin, Bastinac)

Rucks Kruezer, Hille (Warnock, Roughead)

Forwards Reiwoldt, Higgins, Giansiracusa, R. Murphy, LeCras, Rioli, Gumbleton (Dennis-Lane, Tapscott)

 

[Trav 20]

prob about 5000-10000 finish team. No where near enough good premiums.

As you've historically performed well I'm interested in your opinion on a couple of things.

M. Clark in the ruck ?

Also, do you ever calculate the average DT points once you've settled on a core 17-18 players ? Obviously the first year players won't have an 09 average and there may be a couple coming back from injury such as Ottens, Hunt, Hille, or for instance Kennelly. But with the other players do you calculate their 09 average to see where you're group is sitting ?

And if so, what sort of average is reasonable across the breadth of those players ?

 

[Pinochio]

Back line - Looks great but i don't think Shepperd is going to play many games.

Midfield - Good again but it's really up to you who you want, Masten or Swift, im not 100% sure but i went with Swift.

Rucks - Good Combo.

Forwards - All all very decent.


Pretty much an all around good team, not to much to change in my opinion.

Thx for the reply shaunn, what can I do in regards to sheppard starting???

Thx!

 

[ash_78]

Here 'tis, take aim! Got $44,700 in the bank - will monitor Gumbleton over the pre-season and potentially swap in another rookie.

 

[sdsdsdsd]

Here 'tis, take aim! Got $44,700 in the bank - will monitor Gumbleton over the pre-season and potentially swap in another rookie.

Good team, however probably more safer in starting 2 mid rookies than 1 mid and 1 in the foward line. Probably more balanced if u downgrade Masten to like a Sheuy and upgrade Gumbelton (injured) to a Ziebell

 

[SM]

Riewoldt or John Brown in my forward line?

 

[TheMelbourneCrow]

How does my team look. Obviously any injury's will be looked at come round one. I have some spare cash as well.

EDIT: Rookies will obviously be judged on NAB Cup performance - so Lobbe may go etc