Rate my team Part III

[Danog]

lol Danog. Buddy out???

Rockliff or Pods should be playing. A lot is dependent on the results of this final week of pre-season matches. It's generally a good barometer for the actual team setup for round 1. Rohan or Wona are also possibilities.

 

[Papa Juggs]

So you reckon Buddy is good enough to start him on the bench??

In my experience money rotting on the bench even when it's Ablett puts you at a disadvantage.

Points now are worth a lot more than points later.

Making investments is the key, not trying to pull funky moves off.

 

[Invigoration]

So many problems I don't know where to start

How does that team have "so many problems"?

Starting Trengrove on the ground in the backs isn't ideal, but that and Petrie are probably the only glaring mistakes.
The Polak choice has merit. He should start round 1 and he will increase in price. I wouldn't go with him, but just because it differs a bit from the BigFooty team doesn't make it wrong.

I like the midfield; Ball, Watson and Robinson especially all pose pretty good value. Dal Santo is also underrepresented around here, doesn't make him a bad choice though.

Petrie is out for the first couple, but that is an easy mistake to make.

Forward line is fine, although I can't really see Walsh playing this year.

Few little things to fix up and it is fine, didn't need to be ridiculed at all.

Too much shit advice around here from people who rely solely on the 'BigFooty's most popular players' team.

i.e. "Having Masten and Armitage is killing you. Downgrade one to a rookie..."

Terrible advice, seriously. Both developed players with a few years in the system who are sitting on the brink of breaking out. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised to see both those boys play 22 games this year and increase markedly in value, high odds that one of Swift, Masten and Armitage will hit premium status. You could easily make a case for all 3 of them in your side.
The rookie/gun strat isn't the be all and end all. Having two of those mid pricers in your team probably isn't a popular strategy, but it is the sort of mildly creative choice that could help you win the car. It could burn him as well of course, but so could having another rookie. Trengove is priced at about 35 points before even playing a match and while I suspect he'll do quite well, he could easily find himself out of depth early on, get <10 possessions in his first 2 matches and end up out of the side for the next 10 games. Neither choice/strategy is wrong and nor should they be treated as such.

I daresay you would have been the bloke criticising someone for selecting Swallow and Vince last year.
(This wasn't meant to be aimed solely at you btw and I do realise you are only trying to help. People just need to take the majority of advice in here with a grain of salt. Most the time people are just giving advice that ends up making the advice seekers team look more like their own - which they obviously think is the best.)

 

[PAFCsince1870]

<snip>

i.e. "Having Masten and Armitage is killing you. Downgrade one to a rookie..."

Terrible advice, seriously. Both developed players with a few years in the system who are sitting on the brink of breaking out. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised to see both those boys play 22 games this year and increase markedly in value, high odds that one of Swift, Masten and Armitage will hit premium status. You could easily make a case for all 3 of them in your side.
The rookie/gun strat isn't the be all and end all. Having two of those mid pricers in your team probably isn't a popular strategy, but it is the sort of mildly creative choice that could help you win the car. It could burn him as well of course, but so could having another rookie. Trengove is priced at about 35 points before even playing a match and while I suspect he'll do quite well, he could easily find himself out of depth early on, get <10 possessions in his first 2 matches and end up out of the side for the next 10 games. Neither choice/strategy is wrong and nor should they be treated as such.

I daresay you would have been the bloke criticising someone for selecting Swallow and Vince last year.

Lol, sounds like someone has Masten and/or Armitage in their 22.

There is no doubt by having both it's causing problems in backs and forwards. Even the poster admits he doesn't have enough keepers!

WTF are you talking about?

 

[PAFCsince1870]

Yeah assuming they play nearly double the average games first year midfielders play.

If not I think it's zeroes ahoy for you.

Just need 8-10 games to upgrade them champ, don't need them to play 22

 

[Dr Awkward]

I can't agree with you PAFC.

I think the midfields are the most potent scorers and you only get 6 slots worth.

You need to make the most of those 6 slots. Scully, Trengove, Martin and Barlow are not going to get 120+ scores consistantly like the real premiums do.

Its an interesting one. Personally I like to have a few rookies in the mids if they are good. The way I see it:

Trengove 150k - might avg around 70ppg, instead of:
Watson 400k - might avg 95 ppg

Roughly 25 points differnece but the extra 250k allows you to make another position a keeper say in the fwd line where you can have:

Pav 400k - 95ppg, instead of
random 150k fwd might only avg about 40 or 50 ppg.

Obviously a pretty simplified scenario but that is my general understanding of the benefits of having rookies on the field in mids, so long as they are good rookies. Their prospective "points per dollar" is higher than in any other position and therefore allows you to have guns in other positions without sacrificing too much.

 

[anf06]

This rookiemania is doing my head in.

It just seems to be a competition to see who can get the most rookies into their mids to score the least amount of points.

You can't win from behind people. Your team needs to kick ass from the start.

Use mathematics to prove your point that starting with rookies on the field is more of a disadvantage than not.

Everyone starts with the same amount of money.

A players price is directly related to their average.

For example, Trengove is priced about the same as a 35 ppg average player.
If he scores at an average of 70 then that is 35 points more than what he is worth.

The money you save on Trengove is spent on other players..
How do you figure you will be "behind"

In the end, you need to average the most points from every dollar you have. If you are averaging more points per dollar then everyone else, then in theory you should be scoring more, not less. Therefore you would be ahead.

 

[yogibbear]

How does that team have "so many problems"?

Starting Trengrove on the ground in the backs isn't ideal, but that and Petrie are probably the only glaring mistakes.
The Polak choice has merit. He should start round 1 and he will increase in price. I wouldn't go with him, but just because it differs a bit from the BigFooty team doesn't make it wrong.

I like the midfield; Ball, Watson and Robinson especially all pose pretty good value. Dal Santo is also underrepresented around here, doesn't make him a bad choice though.

Petrie is out for the first couple, but that is an easy mistake to make.

Forward line is fine, although I can't really see Walsh playing this year.

Few little things to fix up and it is fine, didn't need to be ridiculed at all.

Too much shit advice around here from people who rely solely on the 'BigFooty's most popular players' team.

i.e. "Having Masten and Armitage is killing you. Downgrade one to a rookie..."

Terrible advice, seriously. Both developed players with a few years in the system who are sitting on the brink of breaking out. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised to see both those boys play 22 games this year and increase markedly in value, high odds that one of Swift, Masten and Armitage will hit premium status. You could easily make a case for all 3 of them in your side.
The rookie/gun strat isn't the be all and end all. Having two of those mid pricers in your team probably isn't a popular strategy, but it is the sort of mildly creative choice that could help you win the car. It could burn him as well of course, but so could having another rookie. Trengove is priced at about 35 points before even playing a match and while I suspect he'll do quite well, he could easily find himself out of depth early on, get <10 possessions in his first 2 matches and end up out of the side for the next 10 games. Neither choice/strategy is wrong and nor should they be treated as such.

I daresay you would have been the bloke criticising someone for selecting Swallow and Vince last year.
(This wasn't meant to be aimed solely at you btw and I do realise you are only trying to help. People just need to take the majority of advice in here with a grain of salt. Most the time people are just giving advice that ends up making the advice seekers team look more like their own - which they obviously think is the best.)

There's nothing wrong with playing mid pricers in masten and armitage. But you want them to be keepers. If you think they'll be keepers then do it. If not, then their price may rise 50k. Whereas there are lots of other options that could yield the 100-300k increases required to win the competition.

 

[castro]

Almost like looking at my own team. I have about 19 of those players. As such, I give it top marks.

I have 19 of those players too, but I have 15 keepers the worst of which is Lance Franklin and Heath Shaw.

 

[Clements]

Backs - Enright, Kelly, Hodge, H. Shaw, Stewart, Ladson, Hunt (Maguire, Webberley)

Mids - Swan, Bartel, Mitchell, Watson, Martin, Barlow (Banner, Shuey)

Rucks - Sandilands, Clark (Warnock, Skipper)

Fowards - Riewoldt, O'Keefe, Pavlich, Gray, Ballantyne, Dangerfield, Rockliff (Hitchcock, Dennis-Lane)

A few of the reserve players will most likely change....possibly half the team too, but you know these things happen.

 

[castro]

Backs - Enright, Kelly, Hodge, H. Shaw, Stewart, Ladson, Hunt (Maguire, Webberley)

Mids - Swan, Bartel, Mitchell, Watson, Martin, Barlow (Banner, Shuey)

Rucks - Sandilands, Clark (Warnock, Skipper)

Fowards - Riewoldt, O'Keefe, Pavlich, Gray, Ballantyne, Dangerfield, Rockliff (Hitchcock, Dennis-Lane)

A few of the reserve players will most likely change....possibly half the team too, but you know these things happen.

Quite a good team there - like the inclusions of Mitchel and Gray, the structure is similiar to mine with the exception of your extra keeper in the mids.

 

[castro]

Brendon Goddard[/FONT][/COLOR]
Corey Enright
Paul Duffield
Luke Hodge
Heath Shaw
Josh Hunt
Beau Waters

Mitch Farmer
Matt Maguire


Jimmy Bartel
Scott Pendlebury
Joel Selwood
Liam Shiels
Dustin Martin
Michael Barlow

Lewis Jetta
Mitchell Banner


Aaron Sandilands
Hille

COLOR=black]Robert Warnock[/COLOR]
Wayde Skipper

Nick Riewoldt
Matthew Pavlich
Brent Harvey
Daniel Giansiracusa
Lance Franklin
Patrick Dangerfield
Tom Rockliff


Cameron Hitchcock
James Podsiadly


Feel free to comment - I count 15 keepers here. Midfield looks obviously weak, with the inclusion of Shiels from an upgrade in the fwd line

 

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

Ummm did I miss something? Everyone seems to have Sandilands and Hille as their ruck combo..?

 

[360noscope]

Well Sandilands will be the highest scoring ruck and Hille's price is just too good ignore. What is your ruck combination?

 

[Juddy88]

Points now are worth a lot more than points later.

Points are worth the same amount no matter when you get them.

 

[castro]

Cannot fault that team as it is very similar to mine. Malceski Hunt and Waters could be slightly risky, but I believe it is a risk worth taking. Even though our teams are quite similar, I think yours might possibly be better than mine, as you're only starting 2 rookie mids not 3 like me.I still think Fisher is a good pick I wouldn't worry about NAB form too much.

LOL that's my midfield. I have had Pendles, Selwood, Bartel for over a month now!

 

[Hannabal]

I have 19 of those players too, but I have 15 keepers the worst of which is Lance Franklin and Heath Shaw.

I'd consider your worst keeper to be Hille.

 

[Danog]

I wouldn't consider Hille to be a keeper. I wasn't considering Masten to be a keeper either. A midfield keeper, in my opinion, should be scoring 110+ points on average. Armitage is capable, but I'm not sure about Masten. I think Masten could get up to a very respectable 400k, but I'd have to trade him at that point.

 

[Souup]

I wouldn't consider Hille to be a keeper. I wasn't considering Masten to be a keeper either. A midfield keeper, in my opinion, should be scoring 110+ points on average. Armitage is capable, but I'm not sure about Masten. I think Masten could get up to a very respectable 400k, but I'd have to trade him at that point.

What

 

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

Well Sandilands will be the highest scoring ruck and Hille's price is just too good ignore. What is your ruck combination?

Undecided at this time, but it was the Kruez/Tippett at the start of the year that everyone jumped on.

 

[iamthestig]

Its an interesting one. Personally I like to have a few rookies in the mids if they are good. The way I see it:

Trengove 150k - might avg around 70ppg, instead of:
Watson 400k - might avg 95 ppg

Roughly 25 points differnece but the extra 250k allows you to make another position a keeper say in the fwd line where you can have:

Pav 400k - 95ppg, instead of
random 150k fwd might only avg about 40 or 50 ppg.

Obviously a pretty simplified scenario but that is my general understanding of the benefits of having rookies on the field in mids, so long as they are good rookies. Their prospective "points per dollar" is higher than in any other position and therefore allows you to have guns in other positions without sacrificing too much.

One of the best comments made in this thread so far. Good stuff doc.

Be careful though, because you can take it too far. You need rookies, but you need points too. A side with too many rookies is massively exposed to their form. If they all go Liam-Anthony-rookie-season you will be hard to beat, but if they go Matt-Riggio-rookie-season it's a little more difficult.

 

[Coconut Rough]

Backs: Enright - Grimes - Hodge - Ellis - Malceski - Ladson - Hunt
Em: MacGuire - Trengove(PAFC)

Mids: Ablett (c) - Boyd - Selwood - McVeigh - Trengove(MFC) - Martin
Em: Barlow - Banner

Rucks: Sandilands - Hille
Em: Warnock - Skipper

Forwards: Reiwoldt (vc) - O'Keefe - Pavlich - Franklin - Murphy(WB) - Dangerfield - Walker
Em: Rockliffe - Hitchcock

Not a popular choice, but really think Ellis will step up this year to the midfield and be a consistent performer. Worried about Walker but hoping he will play midfield as well..

Thoughts/comments would be great

 

[Spoony]

Backs: Enright - Grimes - Hodge - Ellis - Malceski - Ladson - Hunt
Em: MacGuire - Trengove(PAFC)

Mids: Ablett (c) - Boyd - Selwood - McVeigh - Trengove(MFC) - Martin
Em: Barlow - Banner

Rucks: Sandilands - Hille
Em: Warnock - Skipper

Forwards: Reiwoldt (vc) - O'Keefe - Pavlich - Franklin - Murphy(WB) - Dangerfield - Walker
Em: Rockliffe - Hitchcock

Not a popular choice, but really think Ellis will step up this year to the midfield and be a consistent performer. Worried about Walker but hoping he will play midfield as well..

Thoughts/comments would be great

only changes I would make are getting rid of Hille i really can't see him averaging anything decent at all. I would not be having Franklin in there I can't see him averaging much without taylor and sewel in the team. Murphy I wouldn't have either, just don't see much improvement in him. And there are better options than Walker.

 

[Danog]

What

Meant 100+, sorry.

 

[Coconut Rough]

only changes I would make are getting rid of Hille i really can't see him averaging anything decent at all. I would not be having Franklin in there I can't see him averaging much without taylor and sewel in the team. Murphy I wouldn't have either, just don't see much improvement in him. And there are better options than Walker.

Fair enough; who would you have instead of Hille? Nat is still so raw, will be inconsistant I think, Seaby was poor at WCE so won't necessarly be any better at Syd.. maybe Renouf who will be first choice ruck, and was apparantly impressive today against Bris?

Franklin is in much better shape this year than last, I see him as a keeper.

Same goes for Murphy, played games last year but from what WB fans have written he was never 100%.. I'm not sold on him but don't see any other obvious pick for the approximate money.

What are some better options than Walker?