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Interesting Bevo presser. Pretty much conceded that getting killed in the ruck is a big issue.
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Interesting Bevo presser. Pretty much conceded that getting killed in the ruck is a big issue.
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Interesting Bevo presser. Pretty much conceded that getting killed in the ruck is a big issue.
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Interesting Bevo presser. Pretty much conceded that getting killed in the ruck is a big issue.
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Did seem like the setting sun was causing us a fair bit of grief in the first quarter when the game got away from usā¦ in fairness itās not something our guys have to deal with very oftenLobb's usually good marking deserted him today. Grassed a lot of balls you would normally back him to mark That one on the switch on the forward flank was hideous and Crows slingshot from there for an easy goal
Mate relationshipss first, hopes for the dogs to make you happy has to go last!I was actually getting excited about finals and thought we had turned the corner.
So excited in fact that I told my girlfriend that the holiday we had planned to go to Thailand and Hong Kong in the next school holidays needed to be completely rearranged in order to allow me to have the flexibility to get back to Melbourne because the Dogs could make the Grand Final and I couldnāt miss it. I rearranged our accommodation, built in flexible airfares and booked a ticket to get me back into Melbourne on Grand Final morning.
Massively pissed off my girlfriend who is planning to still go onto Hong Kong and I have told her I would love to join her but had to plan to get back to Melbourne and break up our holiday plans.
And then the Dogs go and do this, I mean shit what was I thinking? It is absolutely typical of this team though to do something like this, to win the games we are underdog in and then go and play like shit against a bottom team. Very similar to last year and the year before that.
I shouldnāt have trusted them but they sucked me in.
I expect we will win next week and then drop the final game against the Giants and need other results to go our way with Carlton and/or Freo losing their last game or else we finish 9th.
Thatās the outcome from this piss poor effort. Finals are not guaranteed and thereās every chance we miss now. We need to win both of our remaining games to be sure of being there and quite frankly we arenāt doing shit if we do make it. Canāt kick straight for goal and just not good enough.
Why do they make us believers and then do something like this?
Interesting analysis. It all probably does indicate that we don't have / haven't had a list with the natural ability that favours long sequences of wins [or even long periods of dominance in matchesFor some reason even when we are a very good side we can't string together a long sequence of wins. To be fair, it's normally only the very best sides that put together long sequences of wins ... but haven't we been one of them for at least some of the last decade?
Consider the premiers for the last decade:
Collingwood (2023 premier) won 8 on end. They also won 7 on end when they were runners up in 2018.
Geelong (2022) won 16 on end. Say no more. I haven't even bothered to look past that for Geelong. A truly professional and reliable side nearly every season.
Melbourne (2021) won 9 on end and 7 on end in the one season.
Richmond (2020) won 6 on end.
Richmond (2019) won 12 on end.
Richmond though eliminated in the PF in 2018 still won 6 on end and 7 on end that season.
Richmond (2017) won only 5 on end but did it twice.
West Coast (2018) won 10 on end.
Hawthorn (2015) won 8 on end. They also happened to win 9 on end in 2016 and 6 on end in 2018 not to mention their recent 5 on end in 2024. And of course they had long sequences of wins in 2012-2014 as well.
By contrast in 10 seasons under Bevo we have only ever won 6 on end once (in 2021) and 5 on end once (in 2023).
In fact we have won a mere 4 games on end just 5 times in that decade: 2024 (the last four games before today), 2017 (rds 17-20), 2016 (the finals series) and twice in 2015.
Lets put it in a table:
2024 - 4 wins once
2023 - 5 wins once
2022 -
2021 - 6 wins once
2020 -
2019 -
2018 -
2017 - 4 wins once
2016 - 4 wins once incl the flag
2015 - 4 wins twice
Does anybody else see a problem here? For a supposedly powerful side over the last decade this looks decidedly flaky to me. Is it any wonder we can't secure a top 4 spot with this sort of brittleness?
Or is this just telling us that we have never really been top echelon and we were lucky to snag the cup with a purple patch in 2016?
I could try to analyse it every which way (including the bewildering late season losses to lowly teams when finals beckon) but the most positive way I can view it is to look forward and say that if we can beat North next week, then lose to GWS but still somehow make the finals then that will be our best shot at a flag.
Because we can hope to play out of our skins for 4 consecutive weeks as we did in 2016 and again in 2024 over the last 4 weeks, but anything longer than that and the elastic breaks.
I disagree that we've ever been a powerful side during the H&A season, other than pre-bye 2021. Thats half of one season across 10 years of Bevo. We've otherwise been decidedly average (sometimes a little above average, sometimes a little below average).For some reason even when we are a very good side we can't string together a long sequence of wins. To be fair, it's normally only the very best sides that put together long sequences of wins ... but haven't we been one of them for at least some of the last decade?
Consider the premiers for the last decade:
Collingwood (2023 premier) won 8 on end. They also won 7 on end when they were runners up in 2018.
Geelong (2022) won 16 on end. Say no more. I haven't even bothered to look past that for Geelong. A truly professional and reliable side nearly every season.
Melbourne (2021) won 9 on end and 7 on end in the one season.
Richmond (2020) won 6 on end.
Richmond (2019) won 12 on end.
Richmond though eliminated in the PF in 2018 still won 6 on end and 7 on end that season.
Richmond (2017) won only 5 on end but did it twice.
West Coast (2018) won 10 on end.
Hawthorn (2015) won 8 on end. They also happened to win 9 on end in 2016 and 6 on end in 2018 not to mention their recent 5 on end in 2024. And of course they had long sequences of wins in 2012-2014 as well.
By contrast in 10 seasons under Bevo we have only ever won 6 on end once (in 2021) and 5 on end once (in 2023).
In fact we have won a mere 4 games on end just 5 times in that decade: 2024 (the last four games before today), 2017 (rds 17-20), 2016 (the finals series) and twice in 2015.
Lets put it in a table:
2024 - 4 wins once
2023 - 5 wins once
2022 -
2021 - 6 wins once
2020 -
2019 -
2018 -
2017 - 4 wins once
2016 - 4 wins once incl the flag
2015 - 4 wins twice
Does anybody else see a problem here? For a supposedly powerful side over the last decade this looks decidedly flaky to me. Is it any wonder we can't secure a top 4 spot with this sort of brittleness?
Or is this just telling us that we have never really been top echelon and we were lucky to snag the cup with a purple patch in 2016?
I could try to analyse it every which way (including the bewildering late season losses to lowly teams when finals beckon) but the most positive way I can view it is to look forward and say that if we can beat North next week, then lose to GWS but still somehow make the finals then that will be our best shot at a flag.
Because we can hope to play out of our skins for 4 consecutive weeks as we did in 2016 and again in 2024 over the last 4 weeks, but anything longer than that and the elastic breaks.
The 3 things that stood out to me at the game were:Wow Tim English with 15 Hit-Outs for the game that is shocking but hey he had a sexy 16 disposals and kicked a goal.
You can add:Feeling so flat after that.
This team really gives you hope and crushes it:
2024 - Loss against 15th placed Adelaide in a crucial game, after one of the best 4 game periods in the regular season for the WB
2023 - Loss against 16th placed Hawthorn and loss against worst teams in history in West Coast to miss the 8
2022 - Elimination final, 35-1 up against Freo at QT and lose by 13
2021 - 3rd QT collapse in the GF
Maybe itās my fault for being too hopeful, but itās so frustrating supporting this club.
Interesting Bevo presser. Pretty much conceded that getting killed in the ruck is a big issue.
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Wow that's an indictment.For those looking for a silver lining to today's loss, remember that Bevo does not like to change winning teams very much.
Hence having this loss gives us an opportunity to make some changes and hopefully get us closer to our strongest combination.
Agree, David King, along with Dwayne Russell, are incredibly insightful with a highly developed strategic acumenDavid King mentioned through the week our goal kicking accuracy will cost us a big game. He was spot on with his analysis and it dismissed any chance of being in the game today
Not really, it's a fairly standard coaching practice.Wow that's an indictment.
Admittedly, I didn't see all of today but what I've seen of Garcia recently, the more I understand why he's not a start in our 23 and won't crack the midfield.Garcia worth persisting with in the midfield? They just walked it out of there today.
Probably watching a different game but I thought Poulter was solid again. Some dump kicks but he's got more aggression and can take a mark
Same Here. Last time that happened was the port game. Didn't watch a minute and we went on to win the next 4.Didn't get to watch today's game due to work...
..don't watch it is the vibe I'm getting here?