Who had pick 4? Vickery looks too high beave.
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Oh and you missed Watts and Nicnat, clearly just trying to be outrageous for the sake of it.
I missed Watts, I didn't miss Natanui though.
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This has become the most reactionary/ moronic thread on BF.
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First half of the season he was playing a lone hand in the ruck.
Fair to say Nic Nats got good support in Cox, where as TV didnt have that support
So you think Vickery getting more time on ball is going to be a disadvantage to his output?
NicNat was pretty much rucking solo the first 4 weeks and was on fire - received a BOG and was in the coaches votes 3 times. It's only the improving fitness of Cox that has seen him spend less time on ball and his output diminish.
Half the output mate - no matter which way you slice and dice it. He's well short of Nic.
No. Reasonable player who has played well this year but not really much more than that. He still has the same problem he had when he came into the league - he doesn't get enough of the ball to be considered an A grader. It may be bias but I would still not trade Rich for Hill. Rich has the better all around game and the superior kick (although Hill does have a very fine kick as well). Hill's pace is his weapon that sets him apart from many but he still hasn't looked like he is any better than Pearce at this stage.is it safe to assume that hill is number 1 by a very long way?..
clearly head and shoulders above everyone else, already an A grader in his second year
Look I'm with you in saying he isn't an A grader yet, but that's it. Everything else you said is complete shit. You can keep Rich because nobody would take him over Hill.
Look you along with a lot of Freo guys who watch Hill closely will have your opinion and the Lions supporters who watch Rich closely are likely to have a different opinion. I do watch a fair bit of the Freo games and could make a good argument in support of my points but given you have not bothered to make any constructive comment I am not going to bother.
What is clear is both players have a lot of talent and are both learning to deal with a tag. Both should improve over the next few years and we will see what each team ends up with. The main point of my post was to point out that mickeyp's post was complete crap.
I went to the Tiges v Freo game thumbsu:) and let me tell you if it wasnt for hill frematle wouldnt have been as close as they were all game. Sure he only had around 16-20 disp but kicked a couple of nice goals. ( one importent one)
He's a real game breaker. I like him.
thumbsu:) and let me tell you if it wasnt for hill frematle wouldnt have been as close as they were all game. Sure he only had around 16-20 disp but kicked a couple of nice goals. ( one importent one) He's a real game breaker. I like him.
is it safe to assume that hill is number 1 by a very long way?..
clearly head and shoulders above everyone else, already an A grader in his second year
Of course he isn't. The idea that one player would be head and shoulders above his peers and an elite player after 35 games is ridiculous.
Hill has shown good promise this year, and looks likely to develop into a damaging run and carry player. In what many have considered a case of 'second year blues' Rich is still finding more of the pill (and we know how well he uses it), laying a lot more tackles, and Carlton game aside he looks to be finishing the year off the stronger of the two.Haven't closely followed either team, but I would think Rich comes in for a bit more opposition attention too.
It'll be a long time till we figure out who's the best player from this draft. Quite a few KPP's such as Watts and Hurley who are both very talented players, but as we all know KPF's take a while to develop. Throw in Phil Davis, Jackson Trengove and Hayden Ballantyne. There were rucks such as Naitanui and Vickery, who have both shown signs and some very good midfielders. For mine you can't split Rich, Hill and Sidebottom by much. Ziebell and Yarran are also very good players. And Hamish Hartlett has struggled with injury but sets it alight when he plays.
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Bit sensitive? Quigley is one of the most unbiased posters on here and knows a lot more about players than most people on here.
Everything he said is complete shit...?
Hill doesnt get enough of the ball to be considered an A grader...The same thing can be said about Rich and Rioli
Rich is the superior kick... Most unbiased people would agree
His pace is his weapon...He would be nowhere near as good without the pace
What is it that was complete shit in quigleys post?
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Was there any bias in Quigley's claim that Rockliff can win the rising star award?
LOL.
Hill would still be a very good player without his pace.
No one catches Sidebottom who is slow, but can run all day.
The slight Hill has a lot more upside than Rich who was physically ready for footy.
It took Gibbs who was a skinny teenager at least two seasons to fill out and hit top gear.
Hill and Yarran need to improve their endurance, but are better runners than Rich.
Rich just gave up after Grigg sprinted past him.
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lol you are pathetic. Everything always relates back to Yarran doesn't it
I get a sense that you are still bitter that Carlton chose Yarran over Rich, can't blame you. I reply to someone making a stupid claim that all of what quigley said was shit when he said some things that could be said about a lot of players and has been...you then quote me with this rubbish? what exactly are you trying to prove?
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Sportsbet has Rockliff third favorite on $4.00. He's probably the most consistent of the nominees but would need to come home pretty strong. to get the attention.
As for your Rich comments, that are standard TheGeneral fare... pick one isolated incident and pretend that defines the player in entirety and ignore all evidence to the contrary*.
If I based my entire analysis of Chris Yarran (I love how much of a chip on your shoulder you have about him btw) based entirely on what I witnessed at the Gabba earlier this year, I'd have him pegged as a bloke who could kick the ball at Uluru from 5 metres out and miss.
*Like the fact that Rich would be leading Carlton for tackles if he played for them. Some lazydownhill skiier eh?
Casey Sibisado, our first rookie in this draft is starting to hit his straps as a CHB after a slow start.
http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7009/newsid/98303/default.aspx
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Rockliff started the year playing in the forward pocket for his first 6 or 8 games and yet his still leads all rising star eligible players with 21.7 disposals a game. Since moving to the midfield fulltime 6 weeks ago he has averaged 26.5 disposals a game. Last week he went head to head with Lenny Hayes and did a very good job limiting Hayes' influence on the game. If he can maintain that kind of form and average over the last 7 weeks of the season he will be hard to beat. He is also a vocal leader on the ground and is a guy who is trying his guts out every week.
As pointed out by TBD he has shortened right in to $4 in the betting and is third favourite. I am guessing that a few people also think he is a huge chance. I am bias sure but saying that Rockliff is a huge chance based on his current form is hardly a controversial call. Some of your calls are much more rose coloured.
If Hill lost a couple of yards of pace he could still be a good player because of the strength of his kicking. He would probably lose the ability to be elite at his position though. BTW General have you seen Hill play this year? He is hardly the stick insect he was last year and I expect Freo would not want him to put on much more if anymore weight. For the way he plays he now has a good physique.
As far as ceiling's go let me raise a couple of points. As mentioned above Hill's physique is probably close to what it needs to be now. His endurance level is also good and I think it will improve but I am not seeing a huge improvement and I am not seeing this improvement being a factor in him going to the next level. As you pointed out Rich is relatively a poor runner compared to Hill. If he can get his running level up to a reasonable level I definately think this would enable him to take a big step in his development. So from a physical perspective I think Rich has much more development in him. The development in Hill I think will come mostly from experience and learning the game at AFL level.
You take one incident to make a call on Rich. How many times has Gibbs shirked the contest? More than a few so does that make him gutless? Maybe in his first few years he did not have the physical tools to compete in this regard. I have conceded that Rich does not have great endurance. Maybe he does not have the tools to chase every player. He has the ability to improve in this area provided he has the will. Same with Gibbs and puting his head over the ball.
As pointed out by TBD he has shortened right in to $4 in the betting and is third favourite. I am guessing that a few people also think he is a huge chance. I am bias sure but saying that Rockliff is a huge chance based on his current form is hardly a controversial call. Some of your calls are much more rose coloured.
If Hill lost a couple of yards of pace he could still be a good player because of the strength of his kicking. He would probably lose the ability to be elite at his position though. BTW General have you seen Hill play this year? He is hardly the stick insect he was last year and I expect Freo would not want him to put on much more if anymore weight. For the way he plays he now has a good physique.
As far as ceiling's go let me raise a couple of points. As mentioned above Hill's physique is probably close to what it needs to be now. His endurance level is also good and I think it will improve but I am not seeing a huge improvement and I am not seeing this improvement being a factor in him going to the next level. As you pointed out Rich is relatively a poor runner compared to Hill. If he can get his running level up to a reasonable level I definately think this would enable him to take a big step in his development. So from a physical perspective I think Rich has much more development in him. The development in Hill I think will come mostly from experience and learning the game at AFL level.
You take one incident to make a call on Rich. How many times has Gibbs shirked the contest? More than a few so does that make him gutless? Maybe in his first few years he did not have the physical tools to compete in this regard. I have conceded that Rich does not have great endurance. Maybe he does not have the tools to chase every player. He has the ability to improve in this area provided he has the will. Same with Gibbs and puting his head over the ball.
Geez Freo's development staff are kicking a lot of goals. Great to see and I am betting more than a few teams will be looking to poach some of those guys.
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Hill is so far ahead of the others atm.
I think he will easily be the best player of this draft.
The kids a freak.
I think he will easily be the best player of this draft.
The kids a freak.
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He sure looked very Exciting Prospect in his Pre-Draft Video
Hill's my favourite non-Richmond player. Really exciting player. Amazing speed agility, poise and skill. Clearly the best player of the draft in my eyes. Very smart by Fremantle to pick him at 2.
Rich is a good player at best.
Hill> everybody in the 08 draft (not like all the players combined. Just compared against each individually).
BTW the poster who said he does not get enough of the ball. Averages 18.5 a game this season. Give him some slack it is only his second season. Yarran >>> Rich on potential. And that is coming from somebody that hates Carlton. Be real. His drop to 7 has been justified!
Rich is a good player at best.
Hill> everybody in the 08 draft (not like all the players combined. Just compared against each individually).
BTW the poster who said he does not get enough of the ball. Averages 18.5 a game this season. Give him some slack it is only his second season. Yarran >>> Rich on potential. And that is coming from somebody that hates Carlton. Be real. His drop to 7 has been justified!
Yeah extremely sensitive
, but then again I'm not the one sticking up for another poster because they didn't like what was said Read my post.
He wouldn't be as damaging without his pace? Why would you say that? This is apart of what he brings, you can't just take anything away! As for his kicking well it is near on A+, standing or on the run from 50 so I'm not really fussed if Rich has, what you say, a better kick.
Rich will never break a game apart like Hill can.
Oh and the shit part is trying to compare Rich to Hill.
Hill needs strength not size. He will probably bulk up a little more over the next few years, but the focus will be to make him stronger rather than heavier. If he can get the strength to break through tackles and not be bumped off the ball it will make a significant difference to his game. He is still maturing both physically and in his game style and won't be anywhere near his best for a couple of years at least.
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