NFL Relocations and League Expansion

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Re: Los Angeles

Toronto does not represent Canada. Most Canadians outside Toronto hate it and accuse them of wanting to be Americans. The CFL is supported well in other cities and even looking to expand.
 
Re: Los Angeles

FootyJunkie said:
I like the fact that in Canadian Football, you can score a single point on its own.

Always found it a bit silly that you can never have a score of 1-0 in American Football.
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But the fact remains, that ONE Point Winning Margins DO OCCUR. :p No controversies either compared to the 'rules of inconsistent interpretation' when a rushed behind one game is paid a very dubious free-kick the next.. :rolleyes: take your AFL 'lost me as a fan' propaganda back to the AFL forums FJ... maybe try the Rugby boards and tell 'em the same thing.. see what smackdown response you get there. :p


Also, at least in the NFL and most other professional sports have an actual RULE BOOK, don't award a 'RIDICULOUS' FREE SCORE/GOAL (re: GF09) straight after another because the THIN skinned umpire was 'insulted in the heat of the moment'... SOFT!! And don't get me started with WRONG score being awarded... hahaha WHAT a JOKE!! Yup, more Umpires needed.. pffft!!
 

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Re: Los Angeles

ERead said:
Only need one foot in bounds to make a catch (a la NCAA)
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Giants could have done with that on Monday.

I like the offensive backfield being able to be in motion at the snap. Would kind of even it up as the secondary are always moving. Imagine a WR starting 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage and going full bolt at the snap, or Brandon Jacobs getting the rock at top speed.:)
 
Re: Los Angeles

krudmonk said:
Toronto does not represent Canada. Most Canadians outside Toronto hate it and accuse them of wanting to be Americans. The CFL is supported well in other cities and even looking to expand.
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It's the least 'Canadian' city, no doubt, but in this instance it represents the best chance for an NFL franchise because it's the biggest city, hence why we're discussing the marketplace.

Also, of course the CFL is supported well in other cities, because other cities like Hamilton, Regina and Winnipeg dont offer a substitute in terms of a big sport. And the expansion teams are billed for Ottawa and possibly Halifax, Quebec City, London and Windsor which are all relatively small marketplaces.
 
Re: Los Angeles

Nappies said:
It's the least 'Canadian' city, no doubt, but in this instance it represents the best chance for an NFL franchise because it's the biggest city, hence why we're discussing the marketplace.

Also, of course the CFL is supported well in other cities, because other cities like Hamilton, Regina and Winnipeg dont offer a substitute in terms of a big sport. And the expansion teams are billed for Ottawa and possibly Halifax, Quebec City, London and Windsor which are all relatively small marketplaces.
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Yes, but this should not be scoffed at. American college football succeeds for exactly the same reason and yet that's still taken seriously nationwide.
 
Re: Los Angeles

Nappies said:
And the expansion teams are billed for Ottawa and possibly Halifax, Quebec City, London and Windsor which are all relatively small marketplaces.
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Wouldn't that be an issue with the Lions so close?
 
Re: Los Angeles

DB10 said:
Wouldn't that be an issue with the Lions so close?
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Possibly, but the same with Quebec City and Montreal.

They're just the cities that have put their hand up for an expansion franchise. Ottawa is definitely in, so they'll need another team somewhere to make it a 10 team league. End of the day, the CFL needs more exposure, only 4 games a week doesn't get it enough TV time against NCAA on Saturday and NFL on Sunday, which get air play pretty much all day.
 
Re: Los Angeles

Woodson said:
But the fact remains, that ONE Point Winning Margins DO OCCUR. :p No controversies either compared to the 'rules of inconsistent interpretation' when a rushed behind one game is paid a very dubious free-kick the next.. :rolleyes: take your AFL 'lost me as a fan' propaganda back to the AFL forums FJ... maybe try the Rugby boards and tell 'em the same thing.. see what smackdown response you get there. :p


Also, at least in the NFL and most other professional sports have an actual RULE BOOK, don't award a 'RIDICULOUS' FREE SCORE/GOAL (re: GF09) straight after another because the THIN skinned umpire was 'insulted in the heat of the moment'... SOFT!! And don't get me started with WRONG score being awarded... hahaha WHAT a JOKE!! Yup, more Umpires needed.. pffft!!
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ummmm.... yeah
 
Re: 2010 NFL Season Opponents Schedule

I think the most realistic relocations/changes are probably Jacksonville and Oakland.
Jacksonville is struggling, that part of Florida not big enough to support three teams, whereas California can, seeing as the proposed "new" region being LA, 2nd largest city, obviously can handle a 4th Californian team.

Bay Area can handle two teams, but Davis' mis-management is crueling the Raiders in terms of profitability, people boycotting. He needs to sell, or cede control to a proper structure, and the Bay Area support would return in droves in Oakland. However, Raiders/Davis also feasible to relocate back to LA as well especially if Niners stadium proposal falters or Davis doesnt like the terms of sharing.

Imo tho, probably Jags to LA is most feasible, as Bay Area can handle two teams, especially as shared stadium there is feasible and has Goodell's backing, and Davis isnt opposed to that.

Buffalo to Toronto is feasible as well, but it would need a bunch of dedicated ideas/strategies put in place...like a brand new mega-stadium, huge carpark, cheaper ticket pricing etc. Or just 50:50 Toronto/Buffalo games for the next few years till all that new Toronto stadium etc gets the go-ahead.
 
Re: Los Angeles

I think the best move for LA would be to get St Louis or Oakland. I'm not sure how other teams would be embraced.

Toronto should make a big move for Buffalo. I think there is plenty of potential to support a team in Toronto.

Having a team in LA and Toronto will be a great boost for the NFL and is much needed.
 

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Re: Los Angeles

Would much prefer the Jaguars in LA. Only reason is that I see them as an absolute mess with no way out of it. They've had winning seasons, hosting of the SB and the like yet still can't pull crowds.

And Im not sure Tim 'Jesus' Tebow is gonna save them either. Even if he doesn't turn out to be a bust as some may suggest.



The Raiders are good for Oakland. Just need Davis to retire/roll over and die and common sense will prevail again.
 
Re: Los Angeles

Just wanted to make a comment about something I've mentioned elsewhere to turn it back on the whole LA team thing...

GG said:
There could be validity in the conspiracy that Davis is deliberating reducing the value of the Raiders in order to minimize the inheritance tax that would fall on his heir.

Consider that under current law, the IRS has a prearranged method for determining if an inheritance tax is due on property or monies received. You must remember that the settling of an estate is a complicated matter. An attorney or tax accountant ought to be referred to in inheritance situations where matters of the law are involved, such as the probate process, also known as contesting of the will.

“The first step used to determine any inheritance tax that might be due is to calculate the fair market value of the entire estate,” says Money-Zine.com. “This would include cash, bank accounts, stocks and bonds, real state, insurance, and similar items of value. The total fair market value of all these items is termed the Gross Estate. The next step would be to calculate any adjustments to the gross estate. Typical adjustments include paying-off the remaining balance on a mortgage or the fees associated with settling the estate. This last item might include items such as estate administration fees or payments made to an attorney. Finally, there is also a Marital Deduction that can be taken for property that is left to a surviving spouse.”

After all the deductions have been taken from the gross estate, the balance is the net value of the property – otherwise known as the inheritance tax basis. To determine whether or not any inheritance tax is due, subtract the net value of the property from the inheritance tax credits.

So, Davis not out to bring down the Raiders to utter ruin cos he would want the org to continue and ensure his son has a lifetime income. But by the process around inheritance tax, you can reduce the value of an org enough to either a) minimize greatly how much the tax will be, or b) even avoid inheritance tax altogether.

Consider other things too like Al throwing excessive amounts of money into FAs and rookies. Over-paying excessively for rookies when he doesnt need to. Who knows what other things he’s doing to reduce his net value, including selling off percentage of ownership etc. But it's a fact that the Raiders have the highest payroll in the NFL and the lowest net earnings.

Consider the team/fan relationship is like a company/customer or product/consumer relationship. Davis has willfully shown disdain towards "the fan" for decades. Meant to just shut up and consume. That’s prehistoric thinking. Fans have the power to force change by boycotting ticket sales, merchandise, etc. Ownership around the NFL in the end cannot ignore such things and will always (bar Davis) make efforts to ensure the fans are happy with the “product” in order to keep consuming it. The sporting market out there no different to any industry today. Teams and leagues cannot take a fan for granted, or think they wouldn’t take their money and go support another team/league.

Llike how Davis said, “i dont care about the fans, it’s my team, i’ll do what i want” in regards to relocating them to LA originally. It’s there in him. Plus it’s in Davis’ nature to always try to “beat the system”, avoid paying people/companies money, win court battles, etc. Wouldn’t put it past him.
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Imo, I think the LA consortium would NOT want Davis at all. I reckon it'd be a monty either Rams or Jaguars moving to LA in the near future.
 
Re: Los Angeles

If it were that easy everyone would do it. This is the IRS we're talking about, and American Law. Why Davis has a team of lawyers always, and spends most of his time scheming to screw people out of money or avoid paying money for something, or trying to beat the system.
 
Re: New team for LA

Thought Jacksonville would be the hot favourites but they have some long term lease with their staium. Minnesota fans would be ****ing pissed off if they leave since the Lakers are also from that area.
 
Re: New team for LA

Ah, the dream that is an NFL team in LA, has been around for ever, and has failed more then any other market.

I still don't understand why the NFL don't even consider an expansion team as the LA based Franchise, you could put it in the embarrassing NFC West, and at least make the winner of that division actually earn their place in the playoffs (and yes I'm a niners fan, apart from a few seasons with Kurt Warner and the Cards, the NFC West has been a joke for years now).

I don't think a new franchise will happen in LA, I'm just saying that I have no idea why the NFL wouldn't even consider it.

But LA and NFL, there's 2 words you'll keep hearing mentioned in the same sentence, but don't expect an NFL team to stop off in LA for a good 7-8 years, and it won't be the Chargers, the owners their won't sell a controlling share fully knowing that it means that the teams leaves SD.

The dream will continue, unfulfilled for a fair while yet you would assume.
 
Re: New team for LA

Woodson said:
We get these threads annually. :rolleyes:

One WORD that describes these fairytale rumours = FLUFF.

Close thread GG. :p
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Its not annually Woody, more like monthly. And I don't think GG will be closing it.... it's normally him who starts these threads!
 

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