NFL Relocations and League Expansion
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Woodson
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Re: Los Angeles
Sadly it's not a pro-football market.
I don't agree with sending teams to play in LA just for the sake of it. 
Screw LA if they ain't bothering... the NFL can't be blackmailed to believe after 15 years that LA desperately needs a team again. Whole Bowl of WRONG. I'd be happy to live in California tho'.
Sadly it's not a pro-football market.
I don't agree with sending teams to play in LA just for the sake of it. Screw LA if they ain't bothering... the NFL can't be blackmailed to believe after 15 years that LA desperately needs a team again. Whole Bowl of WRONG. I'd be happy to live in California tho'. 
juddy_Like
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Re: Los Angeles
If LA wanted a team, they would of already got one.
Its really quite simple. THey just don't care about pro football.
If LA wanted a team, they would of already got one.
Its really quite simple. THey just don't care about pro football.
Re: Los Angeles
L.A. = American Sydney
L.A. = American Sydney
Woodson
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Re: Los Angeles
Think of San Diego akin to Geelong.. only down the f5 (only 2 hour drive)
meaning they have their own airport and lifestyle which doesn't compare to the entertainment circus of LA.
Think of San Diego akin to Geelong.. only down the f5 (only 2 hour drive)
meaning they have their own airport and lifestyle which doesn't compare to the entertainment circus of LA.
Re: Los Angeles
From the Huffington Post: Which NFL Team Should Come to LA?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/which-nfl-team-should-com_n_372856.html
From the Huffington Post: Which NFL Team Should Come to LA?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/which-nfl-team-should-com_n_372856.html
shiny_on_top
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Re: Los Angeles
There has been a bit of talk late that the Vikings owners are looking at L.A.
There has been a bit of talk late that the Vikings owners are looking at L.A.
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Re: Los Angeles
Surely the Jacksonville Jags would be the number one target for anyone wanting a franchise to move.
There own town doesnt even support them, and they are in the playoff race.
The Vikings rumour has started because they have to knock over the Dome in Minnesota, and it was suggested instead of building another stadium the owners would move to LA to a Government funded stadium.
Surely the Jacksonville Jags would be the number one target for anyone wanting a franchise to move.
There own town doesnt even support them, and they are in the playoff race.
The Vikings rumour has started because they have to knock over the Dome in Minnesota, and it was suggested instead of building another stadium the owners would move to LA to a Government funded stadium.
Re: Los Angeles
A touch off topic, but an article on the Bills possible relocation to Toronto: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/which-nfl-team-should-com_n_372856.html.
Well, about how much it would hurt Buffalo if they did. At the end, some Toronto fans say they don't want them to move either.
A touch off topic, but an article on the Bills possible relocation to Toronto: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/which-nfl-team-should-com_n_372856.html.
Well, about how much it would hurt Buffalo if they did. At the end, some Toronto fans say they don't want them to move either.
Re: Los Angeles
I do hope the expansion criteria has tightened up since the Jags were formed.
There should be a "can't move for 50 years" clause to expansion teams too. People might not be so keen to enter crowded markets then.
Surely the Jacksonville Jags would be the number one target for anyone wanting a franchise to move.
There own town doesnt even support them, and they are in the playoff race.
The Vikings rumour has started because they have to knock over the Dome in Minnesota, and it was suggested instead of building another stadium the owners would move to LA to a Government funded stadium.
I do hope the expansion criteria has tightened up since the Jags were formed.
There should be a "can't move for 50 years" clause to expansion teams too. People might not be so keen to enter crowded markets then.
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Re: Los Angeles
just cant see the Vikes heading west. they are 'sota through and through......it's how they got the monikor of the vikings after all.
Surely the Jacksonville Jags would be the number one target for anyone wanting a franchise to move.
There own town doesnt even support them, and they are in the playoff race.
The Vikings rumour has started because they have to knock over the Dome in Minnesota, and it was suggested instead of building another stadium the owners would move to LA to a Government funded stadium.
just cant see the Vikes heading west. they are 'sota through and through......it's how they got the monikor of the vikings after all.
Re: Los Angeles
I've been living in Toronto for the best part of a month, and was obviously here when the Bills played here last week. I can tell you, straight out, there is not enough support here for Buffalo to move up here. To be honest, no-one gave a shyte. Rogers Centre isn't a great venue, the residents were happy to go and have a look because of the spectacle, but this is well and truly a Leafs town.
Another thing is, a lot of the people here actually support the other "local" teams. While Buffalo is the closest, there are large followings for the Lions (4 hours drive), Jets & Giants (1 hour flight), Steelers, Eagles and Redskins.
I've been living in Toronto for the best part of a month, and was obviously here when the Bills played here last week. I can tell you, straight out, there is not enough support here for Buffalo to move up here. To be honest, no-one gave a shyte. Rogers Centre isn't a great venue, the residents were happy to go and have a look because of the spectacle, but this is well and truly a Leafs town.
Another thing is, a lot of the people here actually support the other "local" teams. While Buffalo is the closest, there are large followings for the Lions (4 hours drive), Jets & Giants (1 hour flight), Steelers, Eagles and Redskins.
Re: Los Angeles
To say nothing of CFL? I am assuming CFL is way more popular in Canada than NFL?
To say nothing of CFL? I am assuming CFL is way more popular in Canada than NFL?
Exe Gesis
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Re: Los Angeles
What they should do is encourage the CFL to adopt US rules, and kinda 'merge' the CFL teams into the NFL structure.
What they should do is encourage the CFL to adopt US rules, and kinda 'merge' the CFL teams into the NFL structure.
Re: Los Angeles
A lot of the anti-NFL in Toronto movement has been about how they didn't want NFL to affect the popularity of CFL here. I think CFL has a certain following, but it is a certain sect, it's not like you can walk into any bar and start talking about the Roughriders v Alouettes. You can, however, walk into any bar and talk about NFL.
I'd say in terms of popularity (pro leagues) in Toronto, it goes NHL>>>>>>>>>>>>>MLB, NFL, NBA, MLS, CFL or something along those lines. Hard to gauge but people seem to be more into NFL than the Raptors.
One thing I will say is Toronto would never adopt a team that is a relocated team from an existing market. The teams that have succeeded here in sports, are genuine ground up organisations who have heart and soul born in Ontario.
A lot of the anti-NFL in Toronto movement has been about how they didn't want NFL to affect the popularity of CFL here. I think CFL has a certain following, but it is a certain sect, it's not like you can walk into any bar and start talking about the Roughriders v Alouettes. You can, however, walk into any bar and talk about NFL.
I'd say in terms of popularity (pro leagues) in Toronto, it goes NHL>>>>>>>>>>>>>MLB, NFL, NBA, MLS, CFL or something along those lines. Hard to gauge but people seem to be more into NFL than the Raptors.
One thing I will say is Toronto would never adopt a team that is a relocated team from an existing market. The teams that have succeeded here in sports, are genuine ground up organisations who have heart and soul born in Ontario.
Re: Los Angeles
Wow. NFL is bigger than CFL in Canada? How can that be? I am shocked.
Is the NFL covered on TV just as much as CFL? Are the rules of NFL preferred over CFL rules?
I'd have thought the Canadians would resist the imported product.
I am surprised the CFL hasn't harmonised the rules (particularly as both NFL and CFL have tried moving into each territory before), but figured they thought the NFL rules and field size stifled open, flowing play.
Wow. NFL is bigger than CFL in Canada? How can that be? I am shocked.
Is the NFL covered on TV just as much as CFL? Are the rules of NFL preferred over CFL rules?
I'd have thought the Canadians would resist the imported product.
I am surprised the CFL hasn't harmonised the rules (particularly as both NFL and CFL have tried moving into each territory before), but figured they thought the NFL rules and field size stifled open, flowing play.
Re: Los Angeles
Simple answer as to why NFL is bigger: it's bigger.
There is only 8 teams in the CFL, a lot of the players are American, and to be honest it's still a B Grade product. Typically most people won't know what is going on until the playoffs or the Grey Cup. And yes, the NFL is covered here all day Sunday (probably atleast 7 or 8 games on normal cable...which everyone has) and always MNF. You only have 4 CFL games a week, so you just dont get the exposure.
I'm not sure why they maintain their rules, I guess it's for the sake of heritage and marketing and all that.
Canada could easily support an NFL expansion team, but as I said earlier, it would have to be a Canadian startup team, not a relocated team. I'd say Toronto and Montreal would be favourites. Vancouver failed at keeping the Grizzlies, so I think that would put them behind the 8 ball.
Simple answer as to why NFL is bigger: it's bigger.
There is only 8 teams in the CFL, a lot of the players are American, and to be honest it's still a B Grade product. Typically most people won't know what is going on until the playoffs or the Grey Cup. And yes, the NFL is covered here all day Sunday (probably atleast 7 or 8 games on normal cable...which everyone has) and always MNF. You only have 4 CFL games a week, so you just dont get the exposure.
I'm not sure why they maintain their rules, I guess it's for the sake of heritage and marketing and all that.
Canada could easily support an NFL expansion team, but as I said earlier, it would have to be a Canadian startup team, not a relocated team. I'd say Toronto and Montreal would be favourites. Vancouver failed at keeping the Grizzlies, so I think that would put them behind the 8 ball.
Re: Los Angeles
Didn't realise Canadian Football was a niche sport in Canada. I know its all ice hockey there, but...
Would be nice I suppose, have an NFC Canada and AFC Canada divisions... later down the line have NFC Europe and AFC Europe... then the only way to make the playoffs is to win your division.
Wait though... National?, American?, Canada?, Europe?
Didn't realise Canadian Football was a niche sport in Canada. I know its all ice hockey there, but...
Would be nice I suppose, have an NFC Canada and AFC Canada divisions... later down the line have NFC Europe and AFC Europe... then the only way to make the playoffs is to win your division.
Wait though... National?, American?, Canada?, Europe?
Exe Gesis
Kylo was here
Re: Los Angeles
^ like your idea.
one day even an Asian Conference!
Make this beast global.
^ like your idea.
one day even an Asian Conference!
Make this beast global.
Re: Los Angeles
Adding teams to the NFL would lengthen the season, wouldn't it? No really, I am asking. I know that in leagues (e.g. EPL) that play true home and away season, every team adds two games.
I guess the NFL is more flexible - you don't even have to play every team every year so they could keep the season length as is and just throw some extra teams in.
I imagine Nappies is right, though. The Canadians, if they are going to accept an NFL team, would want a home grown, grass roots product. Really, the decision to harmonise would need to come from up top as it would probably affect High School and College rules (save some groups that will maintain tradition for the sake of it).
I think it would be a positive development for football in Canada given it opens up the NFL and American Colleges to Canadian players.
Still, the playing area would need a re-jig. Nappies, have you seen any CFL and what's it like seeing Gridiron-style football played on such a wide surface? Good? Bad?
I also wonder if the Canadians would ask for any rule concessions? They probably wouldn't get any (e.g. more than one player in motion at the snap).
Adding teams to the NFL would lengthen the season, wouldn't it? No really, I am asking. I know that in leagues (e.g. EPL) that play true home and away season, every team adds two games.
I guess the NFL is more flexible - you don't even have to play every team every year so they could keep the season length as is and just throw some extra teams in.
I imagine Nappies is right, though. The Canadians, if they are going to accept an NFL team, would want a home grown, grass roots product. Really, the decision to harmonise would need to come from up top as it would probably affect High School and College rules (save some groups that will maintain tradition for the sake of it).
I think it would be a positive development for football in Canada given it opens up the NFL and American Colleges to Canadian players.
Still, the playing area would need a re-jig. Nappies, have you seen any CFL and what's it like seeing Gridiron-style football played on such a wide surface? Good? Bad?
I also wonder if the Canadians would ask for any rule concessions? They probably wouldn't get any (e.g. more than one player in motion at the snap).
Re: Los Angeles
I've only seen it on television, the Argonauts play not far from me at the Rogers Centre but I didn't get to a game before the season ended.
I honestly haven't bothered to learn what the CFL rules are, and it's not a great spectacle most of the time from what I've seen. I dont know, perhaps that's because I'm in Toronto which, while being the biggest city in Canada, also has a sporting saturation with Maple Leafs, Blue Jays, Raptors, Toronto FC, Toronto Rock (Lacrosse, you'd be surprised how big it is).
I've only seen it on television, the Argonauts play not far from me at the Rogers Centre but I didn't get to a game before the season ended.
I honestly haven't bothered to learn what the CFL rules are, and it's not a great spectacle most of the time from what I've seen. I dont know, perhaps that's because I'm in Toronto which, while being the biggest city in Canada, also has a sporting saturation with Maple Leafs, Blue Jays, Raptors, Toronto FC, Toronto Rock (Lacrosse, you'd be surprised how big it is).
Re: Los Angeles
For those that are interested, a comparison of American and Canadian football: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_American_and_Canadian_football.
Basically:
But it sure does look similar.
For those that are interested, a comparison of American and Canadian football: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_American_and_Canadian_football.
Basically:
- Playing field is more rugby sized - much wider - endzone way deeper
- 12 Players on the field
- Three downs
- Full yard between linesmen
- All offensive backfield players may be in motion at the snap
- Only need one foot in bounds to make a catch (a la NCAA)
- Quite a few other, more minor differences
But it sure does look similar.
