Replay GF would be massively unfair to a non-vic club

[Suspense]

Yes there is a disadvantage but there is a contract in place with the MCG that the GF must be played there

do you think that the afl did the wrong thing by extending this contract and prolonging this disadvantage/inequity?

and there is no other stadium in the country that comes close to the MCG.

i agree. but it is a case where equity isn't the be all and end all in relation to what decisions should be based upon. commercial and traditional interests win out on this front at the expense of a truly equal competition.

 

[Pj.Rj.Hj]

The dominent view of psychologists is that it is better to return to your own bed, go back to normality with your family and familiar environment.

Some on here have tried to play down any disadvantage in staying an extra week in Melbourne in hotel accomodation and hireing the use of another clubs facilities. Coaches like Leigh Matthews have conceeded that it is detrimental to the team. Psychology suggests a return to ones routine in their normal environment is the way to go.

So what ever happens, the Interstate team is disadvantaged considerably compared to a Vic side for a GF replay. If they choose to go home for the week, they have the travel burden and less recovery time but are in familiar surroundings. If they stay in Melbourne they have to overcome the resulting flatness of being away from their environment and outside support which can't be mentally underestimated. Their is a huge difference in sleeping in ones own bed.

 

[Lurker1]

Their is a huge difference in sleeping in ones own bed.

If a team is good enough to make a grand final and then secure a draw i dare say they could comfortably get over this. Olympic athletes pull off incredible feats staying in the village in foreign countries so i don't see it as a huge issue.
No doubt these clubs have vic players on their lists and they could visit their families and take a couple of teammates. Passes the time and could be a great bonding experience.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Absolutely, Demitriou is sounding like an idiot on the couch suggesting otherwise.

 

[zero]

yes it would be unfair

but really, not anymore unfair than an interstate side that has to play a GF against a non interstate side after traveling the week before.

it sucks, but its just the nature of our game... for the time being, the GF is going to be at the G

personally, i think the replay isnt the problem here, its the fact that all GFs are in victoria

lets talk about changing that before we scrap the replay

 

[TheBloods]

but really, not anymore unfair than an interstate side that has to play a GF against a non interstate side after traveling the week before.

That results from the ladder position, so in some ways is within the control of the club. An interstate team forced to travel to Melbourne twice for two grand finals is not within their control.

 

[zero]

That results from the ladder position, so in some ways is within the control of the club. An interstate team forced to travel to Melbourne twice for two grand finals is not within their control.

No less than traveling once is... Forcing interstate teams to play at the G against victorian teams on grand final day is flat out unfair.

The replay Vic-interstate grand final is no more unfair than a Vic-interstate grand final

The difference is the former has never, ever happened and the latter has happened 8 times in the last 20 years

I think complaining about the hypothetical is kind of ******ed when the other is liable to actually happen again next year

 

[kranky al]

I don't think anyone has a problem with the GF being played at the G. At least the Preliminary finals - if earned by interstate teams, can be played at their home grounds.

One way to make it truly fair is to play all grand finals at the Sydney Olympic Stadium (it holds 100,000). That way all teams (other than Sydney) and all supporters ALL have to travel to the Grand Final. Equal footing for everyone. When Sydney make the GF, hold it in Melbourne. Hows that for a solution?

oh ****ing lol - it will never happen - but oh - ****ing lol

 

[kranky al]

If a team is good enough to make a grand final and then secure a draw i dare say they could comfortably get over this. Olympic athletes pull off incredible feats staying in the village in foreign countries so i don't see it as a huge issue.
No doubt these clubs have vic players on their lists and they could visit their families and take a couple of teammates. Passes the time and could be a great bonding experience.

translation: victoria is the centre of the universe - you should all be privileged to even enter our great state

no doubt - west aussies are in your team and you wouldnt mind the replay being in western australia


w***er

 

[Breeder Reactor]

With the Boeing 787 Dreamliner coming into service in the coming years, fatigue and the disadvantage of travel will become less of an issue for interstate teams.

I hope the AFL maintains the current GF draw policy. Meaning any future GF draw is replayed the following week.

For all those followers of British import sports. Stop pushing the rules of those codes up against ours with regard to a GF.

Our game and code is doing just fine thank you very much. I frankly don't care what the import codes do with regard to their Grand Final.

But this is just my opinion only.

 

[Perry Pie]

The GF is held at the MCG under a long-term contract ...... thats just the way it is.

A GF replay on the other hand is not part of paying for the MCG and should be treated with much more freedom. I for one believe that a GF replay, if it involves a non vic club should be offered to the highest placed non vic team to host. A vic team has already had a home state game, so there should be no moaning.

One thing to bear in mind is that some non vic venues may not be available (e.g. GABA or SCG) in the first or second week of October, so it may not be practical. But the principal is the point here - and I can see no reason why as a matter of pricipal the game should not be moved interstate.

 

[skzm]

Seriously? There's something not quite fair in the AFL? Here I was thinking that the AFL had the most perfect fair competition in the world and now you've pointed this out my illusion is shattered...

How about instead of worrying about something that hasnt happened, and is according to the odds offered about a 50 to 1 shot - how about a thread about how it's been nearly 5 years since Essendon have played Sydney in Melbourne.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

There's a number of reasonable, considerate and rational responses in this thread.... the rest are from Victorians.

Seriously how many people here are still living in the ice ages (VFL)?

A little maturity and brain power would go a long way, try it.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

how about a thread about how it's been nearly 5 years since Essendon have played Sydney in Melbourne.

Come back and ask when you play us in Sydney two weeks in a row.

 

[krudmonk]

Victorians are really proving the stereotype correct...

 

[roomachine]

It would start with a replay grand final and then of course inevitably move on to, "Hey, why don't we play ALL grand finals at rotating venues?"

It's not going to happen, whether you like it or not, Victoria is the engine room for AFL football and the MCG is still locked in for grand finals for another umpteen years.

As for some massive interstate disadvantage, Adelaide 97 & 98 well and truly dispel that myth. What about Port's triumph over a Brisbane team that knew the MCG like the back of it's hand?

This argument has little basis in fact.

 

[jenny61_99]

We aren't saying interstate teams can't travel and do well - the argument is about having to REPLAY a grand final a week later. Grand finals are very different to home and away games in terms of the massive build up, the different schedules and the fact that every single player from BOTH teams, play like there is no tomorrow. In this case there IS a tomorrow and they have to do it all again. It is going to be a tough ask for the two teams from VIC to do it this week let alone for a team from interstate to do it and have to deal with the travel factor as well.

 

[TheBloods]

Victorians are really proving the stereotype correct...

It's not 'Victorians', but certain supporters of Victorian clubs.

 

[skzm]

Come back and ask when you play us in Sydney two weeks in a row.

At the moment I wouldnt be complaining about a Grand Final in Siberia...

 

[Monkey King]

I'll go with Ron Barassi on the topic ...

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"It's just something you've got to do," Barassi said. "Being disheartened when there's a job to do is never any good. "It's easier said than done, but that's when people do great things, with strong minds."

"You could easily say, 'Let's have 10 minutes each way', but I reckon it's (no extra time) a tough attitude. It's more of an Australian way, I like that about it," he said.

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As for the non-Vic component, I say the original venue is where you replay it regardless. Same as clash jumpers etc. This is a replay no a re-do.

Now whether that's at the 'G' as presently is the case, or a non-Vic venue some time in the future, shouldn't matter. Carlton very nearly had to double travel over to Subi all due to ladder position. Fair? Probably not; but it was no secret and everyone knew the score.

 

[TheBloods]

Why do people keep saying "everyone knows the rules already" as if somehow that's some sort of argument!?!

 

[krudmonk]

It's not 'Victorians', but certain supporters of Victorian clubs.

Well I noticed a Collingwood supporter from Tassie go against the Viccentric viewpoint, so I went with that.

 

[relapse]

What is so exhausting about one extra plane trip? This thread is rubbish.

If travel doesnt negatively effect a team then why does North, despite having a long dominant run in the 90sm have a less than a 50% record at the Gabba, Subiaco and AAMI Stadium

 

[Valve Bounce]

Actually to make it fair, the "replay" grand final is held at the "other" teams home ground for finals.

eg.
Collingwood, 'aints - back at the G.

Collingwood, WC - Replay at subi

Sydney, WC - Replay back a the G (Neutral again).

Actually, arrangements could easily be made to house these guys for the extra week at Crown Casino, and then engage The Fev to entertain them.

 

[indieswan96]

You may as well use that argument for Wimbledon

I really like Wimbledon, and I want to go and watch it but can't afford to. Shame it's not played in the Hills District, wonder if they'll consider moving it?

Apparently it's been moved to Bella Vista, that's quite convenient for me.