Toast Retirement: Josh J Kennedy

[Corn Cobbers]

An annoyingly good and consistent player who tormented my side his whole career

Massive mistake by Carlton to give him away as steak knives in the ill-fated Judd trade

 

[Walter H White]

I personally rate Kennedy above Hawkins and Riewoldt. I think at his best he was a better player than them.

That's a perfectly fine opinion to have. I think most of us agree that it's Buddy ... (mind the gap) ... Kennedy/Hawkins/Reiwoldt and whatever order you have those three in, they're all somewhere in the same ballpark.

I think all three of them have had periods when they've been the best of the three (very crudely):

1. Earlier years: Jack Reiwoldt
2. Middle years: Josh J Kennedy
3. Later years: Tom Hawkins.

 

[PhatBoy]

I personally rate Kennedy above Hawkins and Riewoldt. I think at his best he was a better player than them.

The best pure forward of the three undoubtedly but also probably the most limited in general play (he’s set up about half as many goals as Hawkins and about 130 less than Riewoldt) which balances it out for most people I think.

 

[Forward Press]

That's a perfectly fine opinion to have. I think most of us agree that it's Buddy ... (mind the gap) ... Kennedy/Hawkins/Reiwoldt and whatever order you have those three in, they're all somewhere in the same ballpark.

I think all three of them have had periods when they've been the best of the three (very crudely):

1. Earlier years: Jack Reiwoldt
2. Middle years: Josh J Kennedy
3. Later years: Tom Hawkins.

Would probably make a good poll thread (if you exclude Richmond, West Coast and Geelong supporters) - hard to argue that all three can make their case for best KPF behind Buddy in the past 15 or so years.

 

[PhatBoy]

Would probably make a good poll thread (if you exclude Richmond, West Coast and Geelong supporters) - hard to argue that all three can make their case for best KPF behind Buddy in the past 15 or so years.

I’d say anyone that supports those 3 teams that has an IQ larger than a grape would make the ‘for me I would take [insert name of their team’s player] but I wouldn’t feel like we were losing anything with [insert other two teams’ players].

I would imagine any eagles fan would make the argument that as a pure full forward he produced the best footy of the 3. Tigers fans would say that Riewoldt’s development as a player played a big hand in a 3 flag run. Cats fans would say their player has the best all-round skill set and could have kicked a lot more goals himself. I don’t really think there’s a right or wrong as all of them are incredibly evenly matched

 

[RUNVS]

That's a perfectly fine opinion to have. I think most of us agree that it's Buddy ... (mind the gap) ... Kennedy/Hawkins/Reiwoldt and whatever order you have those three in, they're all somewhere in the same ballpark.

I think all three of them have had periods when they've been the best of the three (very crudely):

1. Earlier years: Jack Reiwoldt
2. Middle years: Josh J Kennedy
3. Later years: Tom Hawkins.

I agree with the general idea that there is no right and wrong answer with the Kennedy/Hawkins/Riewoldt debate as all three were so close statistically that it really does come down to personal preference. I am not going to make my preference for Kennedy a die on this hill moment, but of the three if I had to pick one to be 18 again and be selected by the Swans I would pick Kennedy.

 

[PhatBoy]

I agree with the general idea that there is no right and wrong answer with the Kennedy/Hawkins/Riewoldt debate as all three were so close statistically that it really does come down to personal preference. I am not going to make my preference for Kennedy a die on this hill moment, but of the three if I had to pick one to be 18 again and be selected by the Swans I would pick Kennedy.

Not necessarily as a draftee but if I wanted the best football any of them produced its hard to ignore back to back 80+ goal seasons.

 

[RUNVS]

Not necessarily as a draftee but if I wanted the best football any of them produced its hard to ignore back to back 80+ goal seasons.

I was more thinking. Have Hawkins, Riewoldt and Kennedy all 18 again, you get to draft one of them and have them in your team for their entire career. Who do you pick sort of situation.

 

[PhatBoy]

I was more thinking. Have Hawkins, Riewoldt and Kennedy all 18 again, you get to draft one of them and have them in your team for their entire career. Who do you pick sort of situation.

Yeah I understand it I’d probably take Hawkins in that scenario is I see him more as the ‘guy you build a team around’ type but yeah if I could choose one of them to say, have a shot at a flag with, I’d probably opt for ‘the best of Kennedy’ over the best of the other two.

 

[demondavey]

Worsfold was a great leader and captain, in terms of skills though he doesn't have the say resume as the others

Yeah, but Worsfold was more valuable to WC than Judd.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Nearly went back to back to back in the Coleman too. Only denied by missing a chunk of games to injury that year and Buddy beating up on Carlton in the last round.

 

[windyhill]

What a player ! One of my favourite non-Bombers, will miss him.

 

[garlic munchers]

Can't find a bad word to say about him, and I've tried. Class act.

Its good that Mundy and Kennedy have both retired.

Now you can safely say all WC players are wan#ers except for Hurn and I can say all Freo players are wan#ers, especially Fyfe.

 

[The 747]

Great player, great career. Mucho respect.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Would have been great to nurse him to 300.

He’d only have cared about 300 as an Eagle if his 250th was anything to go by, so he was a bit short anyway.

 

[cznsnowy91]

Great player who had a great career. Always enjoyed watching him play, one of the best forwards in the game over the last 15 or so years.

 

[Shueygod]

Feel his pure talent got overlooked as he was so good at the fundamentals. Never seen a key forward work so hard to pressure and yet could also kick goals on his left from 45 like the Adelaide game winner (surely only Buddy can do that).

 

[Vedder]

One of Carltons more astute picks in the draft

Great career, gun player

 

[Go_Roos!]

Great player and a great career! Well done Josh!

 

[Falcon3518]

Yeah he’s WAYYYY more accurate

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Kennedy’s way higher accuracy is 64.6 per cent, Hawkins’ is 64 per cent.

By far.

What was the % of their best year? Idk but that whole WC team could slot them from everywhere in 18/19. They were getting like 70/80% mark to goal conversions rates in games regularly. Maybe it’s just a vibe thing.


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[Falcon3518]

I was more thinking. Have Hawkins, Riewoldt and Kennedy all 18 again, you get to draft one of them and have them in your team for their entire career. Who do you pick sort of situation.

The guy with the most Colemans that played the biggest hand of the 3 in finals.


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[PhatBoy]

What was the % of their best year? Idk but that whole WC team could slot them from everywhere in 18/19. They were getting like 70/80% mark to goal conversions rates in games regularly. Maybe it’s just a vibe thing.


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Hawkins kicked 49.20 at 71 per cent in 2013.

The same year 2013 Kennedy kicked 60-odd at 73

 

[PhatBoy]

The guy with the most Colemans that played the biggest hand of the 3 in finals.


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Right because it’s that simple. It’s why Johnathan Brown despite trailing Matthew Pavlich in virtually every metric known to afl football is regarded as a better player. Because flags.

Kennedy has been a constant for the eagles through two player exoduses/rebuilds/whatever you want to call them. But he can’t be considered the best because flags. Because of a medallion that doesn’t tell anyone how good you were but merely represents that in a given year nobody happened to kick as many goals. Right.

 

[Falcon3518]

Hawkins kicked 49.20 at 71 per cent in 2013.

The same year 2013 Kennedy kicked 60-odd at 73

Right so a tiny bit more accurate and had a lot more scoring shots. So probably has the better mark which is why I’m getting the vibe that he’s so dangerous. Imo Kennedy was scarier than Hawkins in his prime.


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[PhatBoy]

Right so a tiny bit more accurate and had a lot more scoring shots. So probably has the better mark which is why I’m getting the vibe that he’s so dangerous. Imo Kennedy was scarier than Hawkins in his prime.


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Couldn’t be more pleased for you.