Rumour Rhyce Shaw in Hospital, won’t coach again: NO Trolling, cheap shots, or jokes will be Tolerated

[Wosh]

Final Warning: No trolling please.

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[Fruit]

I don’t see any issues with the rumour being suggested on this forum.
I also like seeing the words of concern and well wishes that the Big Footy community are leaving here if this happens to be true.

 

[kriles76]

I don't understand the hysterical responses from some, here.

It's alleged to be a mental health issue.

Would the discussion be as taboo if for arguments sake he had a stroke or a heart attack or cancer?

 

[Anzacday]

blamed Archer and Buckley by now

FMD Bucks gets blamed for everything

 

[Red mist]

If it’s true Shaw should be applauded for identifying areas of a personal nature that need to be addressed.
Its very professional to acknowledge and act on those things quickly rather than doing nothing and letting things fester. Big ups to him in my book and a solution or way forward is identified quickly.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Personally, I don't think this is any of our business whatsoever, and although I can understand why this thread exists, i do not feel comfortable at all, Rhyce and his family deserves the utmost privacy and respect, even if he is a public figure.

I just really hope this rumour is untrue, and if it is, I only wish Rhyce and his family all the best, and sending him positive and healing thoughts.

Extremely piss Poor form from anyone who is trolling or finds it funny

 

[JacksonNMFC]

Can confirm this, have sources within the club. Shaw omitted himself to a mental health institution 4 days ago has now been out for 2. Also is wanting to resign.

 

[an unbiased carlton man]

It ain't weak to speak, to be a figure in the public eye such as an AFL coach (a powerful, masculine figure) and come out with mental health issues is extremely commendable. I hope Rhyce is alright and this isn't true - but if it is good on him for addressing it. Best of luck, let's hope it's not true and if it is that he is able to overcome it and return to the game.

 

[JezzasOnTheAsphalt]

Coaching is a tough gig. I wouldn't be able to do it. Media pressure is intense. You hate to see it go down this road if true, but not surprising.

Blokes like primus and mark neeld got absolutely destroyed in the public eye..

That’s true. For all of us as outsiders would know at this stage though, maybe his coaching was his outlet to deeper personal traumas which have come to the fore since his season had finished.

People in all professions develop these issues and I’m not sure how much of a factor his job was in his own health if true. And we probably never will know.

 

[north_boy16]

Can confirm this, have sources within the club. Shaw omitted himself to a mental health institution 4 days ago has now been out for 2. Also is wanting to resign.

In all honesty, I don’t know if I can believe these rumours without an official statement. This rumour being as big as it is, is something that cannot be taken absolutely lightly. In saying all this, I do hope Rhyce is okay.

 

[derp de derp]

Can confirm this, have sources within the club. Shaw omitted himself to a mental health institution 4 days ago has now been out for 2. Also is wanting to resign.

I would hope you are legit, your previous post stated you had inside knowledge of Saads trade, now this with only 5 posts.


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[10571z]

Glad he was smart enough to seek help. Let’s hope he recovers

 

[00Stinger]

I call bullshit on this rumor

This story would have well and truly broken by now if it was true

 

[zeggie]

That's why they get paid the big bucks.

The "big bucks" is simply compensation for doing a tough gig with intense pressure. That's it. It doesn't make someone invincible.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

I don't understand the hysterical responses from some, here.

It's alleged to be a mental health issue.

Would the discussion be as taboo if for arguments sake he had a stroke or a heart attack or cancer?

Im not sure why its a topic that needs to be hush hush, isn't that opposite to what we are trying to achieve with mental health, to not suffer in silence and that it's an issue that affects everyone, a discussion on the pressures that coaches are under and its ramifications can only be positive surely. I've not seen a single post mocking mental health or Rhys in this thread, its baffling why there's such backlash.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The "big bucks" is simply compensation for doing a tough gig with intense pressure. That's it. It doesn't make someone invincible.

It come back to being prepared for the job.
Being an assistant coach at the top level gives you experience with the playing aspect but in terms of the responsibilities and pressures they do not get to experience this.
Coaches need to be the head coach at a lower lever where all responsibilities fall back on them.
I look at James Hird, great player, smart man but zero experience as a coach. He was in over his head.

The desire by clubs to install ex players without the appropriate head coach experience is a reason we see these breakdowns when they are not equipped to deal with the responibilities.

 

[zeggie]

Im not sure why its a topic that needs to be hush hush, isn't that opposite to what we are trying to achieve with mental health, to not suffer in silence and that it's an issue that affects everyone, a discussion on the pressures that coaches are under and its ramifications can only be positive surely. I've not seen a single post mocking mental health or Rhys in this thread, its baffling why there's such backlash.

I love this post. I'm glad you raised it. I was going to in my previous post but didn't want to ruffle any feathers.

Mental health needs to be discussed. It shouldn't be taboo and behind closed doors. It's a real medical problem and a lot suffer needlessly.

I can't see anything negative about discussing either.

 

[zeggie]

It come back to being prepared for the job.
Being an assistant coach at the top level gives you experience with the playing aspect but in terms of the responsibilities and pressures they do not get to experience this.
Coaches need to be the head coach at a lower lever where all responsibilities fall back on them.
I look at James Hird, great player, smart man but zero experience as a coach. He was in over his head.

The desire by clubs to install ex players without the appropriate head coach experience is a reason we see these breakdowns when they are not equipped to deal with the responibilities.

Your post seems to be about directing the blame. I'm not participating in that.

 

[Tugga27]

I call bullshit on this rumor

This story would have well and truly broken by now if it was true

Yeah, nah.

The media tip toe around people with mental health issues.
There's way too much information coming out about this for it not to be true IMO.

Probably incumbent on North to come out and make a statement either way I think.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

What's taboo about mental illness, in terms of discussing it openly?

Anyone's health is private obviously, and it's to them who they share it with - but people tip toeing around it like the person is a leper is a big part of the problem.

 

[tandino]

More to life than football, especially in a year like this.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Your post seems to be about directing the blame. I'm not participating in that.

Not blame , the reason

 

[josephine666]

Even if Shaw is experiencing some mental health issues at present (the vast majority of us will do so at some stage of their lives), I don't believe the part of never coaching again is accurate. Many MH issues are temporary and often the more permanent variety (eg bi-polar) can be managed. The most common of all. anxiety and/or depression have a variety of triggers, the most typical of these being stress. It isn't managed by removing ones self from the stressful environment (in most cases), it's learning to better deal with that stress to remove or minimise the effects. Even if Shaw has stated he will never coach again, it would be ignored until he is a fit state and well enough to make such a decision. That would typically be the advice of his clinicians to his family and other relevant parties (such as his employer) so that's evidence to me that the rumour is not true. If there is some truth, then he is getting the help he needs and I hope he makes a full recovery.

 

[PoopingHindi]

What's taboo about mental illness, in terms of discussing it openly?

Anyone's health is private obviously, and it's to them who they share it with - but people tip toeing around it like the person is a leper is a big part of the problem.

an open discussion of mental illness is a good thing but public dissection of his troubles may not be what's best for Rhyce right now.

 

[Bald]

Yeah the sooner we hold mental and physical health to the same standards the better. If it’s okay to talk about someone breaking a leg it needs to be okay to talk about mental health.

Whilst we are unwilling to talk about it and treat it as taboo as we currently do, then those suffering it will feel the same way.

 

[matthew_s]

Yeah the sooner we hold mental and physical health to the same standards the better. If it’s okay to talk about someone breaking a leg it needs to be okay to talk about mental health.

Whilst we are unwilling to talk about it and treat it as taboo as we currently do, then those suffering it will feel the same way.

yeah, feels a bit weird. similar recent incidents that come to mind are hird and daw and they were reported, daw's being a bit different i guess because it was public.