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Most dellusional Blues supporters are saying they're certain for Finals in '08
But the reality is:
Judd = Star
Stevens = very good, but played his best footy
Murphy = only a repuatation
Gibbs = only a reputation
Carrazzo/Simpsons = handy but will never be stars
Walker = reputation only
Scotland = slow and passed it
Hadley = Brisbane didn't give him up at they still rated him highly.
Judd will be double teamed every game.
At West Coast teams couldn't concentrate on Judd too much as there was still Kerr and Fletcher.
He also won't have Cox tapping it straight to him.
Tank will help Carlton in the ruck but don't expect him to do too much in '08.
I'm sure some moronic Blues supporter will go nuts and say that Richmonds list is worse but I couldn't give a s*it what they think.
no one pays any attention to the tiges so they've got no idea. edwards will play 150 games at least. connors looks like a steal at pick 58, deledio will step it up this year and foley still has a LOT of football left in him.
the jury is very much still out on j.riewoldt, tambling, hughes and oakley-nicholls though
the jury is very much still out on j.riewoldt, tambling, hughes and oakley-nicholls though
For 27 years ?
No 3 years
Gone since WALLACE took over replaced mostly with YOUTH and UNKNOWNS hence why this idiot doesn't know any of them.
GONE
Gasper
Hall
Knobel
Kingsley
Archibald
Blumfield
Campbell
Chaffey
Dragacevic
Fiora
Fleming
Fletcher
Gilmour
Hilton
Houlihan
A Kellaway
D Kellaway
Marsh
Morrison
Nicholls
Ottens
Roach
Rodan
Rogers
Stafford
Weller
Zantuck
Wallace has done a fantastic job clearing out that illustrious list. Not many gone on to stellar careers
Smell The Glove
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Look at Richmonds forward line:
Richo.
That is all.
And given Fevola >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richo, you guys must be well and truly ****ed.
Silly comment considering Richo has kicked 400 odd goals more in his career in a cellar-dweller side. If Carlton never go far in the finals and Fevola finishes with 780 goals or whatever like Richo (still counting btw) he will THEN be his EQUAL.
love the tige - just for the drama and pssion brought to the lague.........
Have a look at the list Wallace replaced in my previous thread and see what he had to work with when he got here. The club was a train wreck.
Show me a team that has a 100 per cent drafting strike rate. Naturally, not all are going to make it.
But you're right, he's replaced them with kids who are leading this club at the moment
It's like any club that has to rebuild from top to bottom, gonna take a few more years yet.
Apart from wanting a few more KPP, I'm not worried
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Richmond's list isn't as bad as people like to think. Their VFL side showed that they have some good young players this year. It's just that it's taking longer than they'd like. This year they copped injuries to the three players they could least afford to have injured. Next year maybe they'll be a little luckier and lot more successful.
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richmond will surprise next year...the way we finished 07 means there's a lot to look forward to...we have some good kids n when simmo comes back from injury we'll be able to win more ball out of the centre
jus hope we draft well n have a huge preseason
jus hope we draft well n have a huge preseason
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No, I’m just disappointed
Fair comment.
But it is a list in search of a frame. I don't think they have established a spine for this group of young midlfielder. Guys like Riewoldt, Hughes and McGuane need regular consistent game time. Schultz needs to put up or piss off. Life post Richo could get very hard unless he extracts the digit.
McMahon was a nothing trade for mine. You have his position covered already. Morton - who knows?
It's bad only in one respect, not many games under the belts of the majority of our players. It'll just take time when you're replacing so many. Hence why Wallace said 2011. They laughed at him, but to replace a list like that, that's how long it's gonna take.
But bagging Richmond makes good copy for journalists who have no right to be journos if they don't actually look at what's happening at a club.
If I couldn't see a direction and a light at the end of the tunnel, I'd be bagging them as well, but I've seen what they've been up against and what they're doing. Wallace has risked his reputation by recruiting so many kids all at once. He can only work with what he's got. He's got two more years and I'm at least prepared to give him that because I'm seeing what he's doing. But I don't think the Richmond faithful have the balls to see it through, so expect him to be gone mid-next season if we have similar results as we had this year.
With a bit of luck with injuries I expect we'll win a few more games than we did this year. We had a few narrow losses this year which would have made the year a bit more respectable had we won them.
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No 3 years
Gone since WALLACE took over replaced mostly with YOUTH and UNKNOWNS hence why this idiot doesn't know any of them.
GONE
Gasper
Hall
Knobel
Kingsley
Archibald
Blumfield
Campbell
Chaffey
Dragacevic
Fiora
Fleming
Fletcher
Gilmour
Hilton
Houlihan
A Kellaway
D Kellaway
Marsh
Morrison
Nicholls
Ottens
Roach
Rodan
Rogers
Stafford
Weller
Zantuck
Wallace has done a fantastic job clearing out that illustrious list. Not many gone on to stellar careers
Think you better be prepared to add Tambling, Oakley Nicholls, Schulz, Pattison, Meyer and Hughes to that list
All will be nothing more than trade bait in the coming years.Wallace is an overated coach and has picked up the aforementioned players in his time at Richmond and should be sacked because of it.
Richmond supporters are delusional if they think they have a great young list, all they have is a young list.
For those who disagree, save this post and if I am wrong about this, you all have the right to feed it to me in a couple of years time
Think you better be prepared to add Tambling, Oakley Nicholls, Schulz, Pattison, Meyer and Hughes to that list
Wallace is an overated coach and has picked up the aforementioned players in his time at Richmond and should be sacked because of it.
Richmond supporters are delusional if they think they have a great young list, all they have is a young list.
For those who disagree, save this post and if I am wrong about this, you all have the right to feed it to me in a couple of years time
It's all an unknown quantity because the team is all relatively new. I thought Patto got better as the year went on. He was thrown in the deep end at the beginning of the season, with only a handful of games and expected to carry the rucks minus help from Simmo, Knobel.
Hughes and Oakley-Nicholls are real worries, but they should get another year. Meyer has the skill, but doesn't want to be at Richmond from what I've seen of him. He should look at Rodan and see what application can do for a career. Schulz will be kept because he can play either end - not well, but he can do it. Tambo's had a couple of good games, just not enough. He's contracted so he stays.
The problem with Richmond is not its kids - it's leadership, or lack of it - pure and simple
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lol u bright sparkWell I reckon the following guys will make Adelaide's list easy:
1. Jordan McMahon
2. Mitchell Morton
1 Chris Newman
3 Brett Deledio
4 Andrew Raines
5 Troy Simmonds
6 Graham Polak
7 Nathan Brown
8 Jack Riewoldt
10 Shane Edwards
11 Joel Bowden
12 Matthew Richardson (veteran)
14 Dean Polo
15 Kayne Pettifer
16 Patrick Bowden
17 Kane Johnson (captain)
21 Shane Tuck
22 Danny Meyer
23 Daniel Jackson
24 Mark Coughlan
25 Jay Schulz
26 Adam Pattison
30 Richard Tambling
31 Chris Hyde
34 Cleve Hughes
36 Will Thursfield
41 Nathan Foley
(sorry numbers came from wikipedia...)
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No 3 years
Gone since WALLACE took over replaced mostly with YOUTH and UNKNOWNS hence why this idiot doesn't know any of them.
GONE
Gasper
Hall
Knobel
Kingsley
Archibald
Blumfield
Campbell
Chaffey
Dragacevic
Fiora
Fleming
Fletcher
Gilmour
Hilton
Houlihan
A Kellaway
D Kellaway
Marsh
Morrison
Nicholls
Ottens
Roach
Rodan
Rogers
Stafford
Weller
Zantuck
Wallace has done a fantastic job clearing out that illustrious list. Not many gone on to stellar careers
fair enough, i think wallace made a mistake not cleaning the list out from the start (even though what the hawks did was disgraceful).
as if they are all no names.............stupid comment
If deleting 26 players from a list and a few more to come shortly in three years isn't cleaning out a list I don't know what is.
Everyone compares the Hawks to us when they shouldn't. They had players in that 22 to 26 year age group which Clarkson could build around. We didn't. That's our problem, hence a total rebuild.
I'm going to say this, and it might be seen as bs to a lot of people considering who I follow, but I personally think Richmond are closer to building a premiership squad than Carlton, Essendon and Melbourne. More to the point, this years failure was something that had to happen.
The game is obviously won in different ways, on a numner of different terms; but there are a few constants. A few ingredients that go to making a successful side:
1. Dominant Ruckman.
2. Dominant Back Key Position Players
3. Dominant Forward Key Position players
4. Dominant Midfield.
I'm only going to look at the first two positions because I feel they hold the key as to why the Tigers were not successful this season.
Ruckmen:
Essendon: Hille
Carlton: Ackland
Melbourne: White
Richmond: Simmonds
Now, of those 4, Melbourne's and Richmond's first string ruckmen are the best of the bunch; with Simmonds probably just piping White at the post. The problem with that is however, that Simmonds missed the majority of the year through injury, and when he did play - it was far from 100%. Thus, we had to rely on a smallish, non-ruckman in Adam Patterson doing the majority of the ruck work, as well as Angus Graham, a rookie listed player. So in that case, Richmond goes straight to the bottom four.
Dominant Key Position Backs:
Now this is where my arguement lies. The Eagles had Glass, the Cats had Scarlett and Egan, the Lions' threepeat had Michael and White etc. Good one-on-one defenders are hard to come by, moreso than any other position in the AFL, in my opinion. So here is the teams' respective KPP in the backline this season:
Essendon: Michael/Fletcher/Ryder
Carlton: Whitnall/Waite
Melbourne: Carroll/Holland
Richmond: Thursfield/Polak/McGuane/Bowden.
Now, to me Richmond has the weakest of the 4, despite running 4 players through those positions during the course of the season. But the Tigers always seemed intent for that position NOT to be filled by Bowden, and thus he was often on the third string tall; and Polak was put forward and back depending on the team. Thus, Thursfield and McGuane seemed to be the KPPs for the backline at the end of the season.
It would seem to me that it goes Essendon/Melbourne/Carlton/Richmond in terms of rankings for KPP backman this season. This is proven by Richmond's inability to stop KPP forwards throughout the season. However, I want to examine they KPP forward line of LAST season for each club.
Essendon: Fletcher/Bradley
Carlton: Whitnall/ I honestly I have no idea. Which isn't a good thing.
Melbourne: Carroll/ Holland
Richmond: Gaspar/ Kellaway.
Add to that that Michael was the CHB for the Lions and you see that the ranks probably would have been Melbourne/Essendon/Richmond/Carlton. Here is the difference, the Tigers are the only team this season, and of those 4 that have two totally new KPP backmen in their team. Others have new players (Essendon with Michael and Ryder, and Carlton with Waite) but of those new players, only one isn't an established AFL player.
So already, the Richmond Tigers started this season behind the 8-ball so to speak; they had no ruckmen and two new key position backline players.
So, the obvious question is what does that mean for the Tigers in terms of how they will better the list for next season. Well, heres my answer, lets look at the last month of those four teams:
Essendon:1-3
Carlton: 0-4
Melbourne: 2-2
Richmond: 2-2
The team Essendon defeated was Carlton. The teams Melbourne defeated were Carlton and the Western Bulldogs. The teams Richmond defeated were the Bombers and the Magpies. Now realistically, Richmond should have been 3-1 as they had the game against St.Kilda well within their reach being 2 goals up with 10 minutes left in the game. When for no apparent reason, Wallace sits Richardson and Foley who I believe didn't play again in the game (The top two finishers in our B&F). But regardless, Richmond and Melbourne were the equal two successful teams in the last month. Strangley, that success for the Tigers corresponded with the success and improvement shown by Thursfield and McGuane, our two Backline KPPs.
Heres why we will improve then next season; our Ruck core will have its number 1 ruckman (who was a top 5 ruckman in 2006) back, as well as the continued development of our backline. Furthermore, I believe that Richmond will finish higher than both Carlton and Essendon next season. Carlton because it loses Whitnall, and thus has one KP backline player - Waite - to rely on; who isn't full time. They will have to (more than likely) fill that void with a young player or two and be in the same situation Richmond was in this season. Likewise, the ruck core of Carlton doesn't get stronger. Now obviously at this stage Kruezer is heading to the Navy Blue; but will he come in as your number 1 ruckman? Don't think so. On Essendon, its more the fact that they now have a new number 1 ruckman in Jason Laycock (I believe) and I question how much burn Fletcher and Mal Michael will get with Knights at the helm wanting to focus on developing the youth. But thats just pure speculation.
Now before people start ranting and raving about the vastly superior midfields or forward lines, and whilst they are important, the depth accross the AFL in those areas means it isn't as important as the Ruck and the Backline. However, if need be, I am prepared to look at those areas as well.
The game is obviously won in different ways, on a numner of different terms; but there are a few constants. A few ingredients that go to making a successful side:
1. Dominant Ruckman.
2. Dominant Back Key Position Players
3. Dominant Forward Key Position players
4. Dominant Midfield.
I'm only going to look at the first two positions because I feel they hold the key as to why the Tigers were not successful this season.
Ruckmen:
Essendon: Hille
Carlton: Ackland
Melbourne: White
Richmond: Simmonds
Now, of those 4, Melbourne's and Richmond's first string ruckmen are the best of the bunch; with Simmonds probably just piping White at the post. The problem with that is however, that Simmonds missed the majority of the year through injury, and when he did play - it was far from 100%. Thus, we had to rely on a smallish, non-ruckman in Adam Patterson doing the majority of the ruck work, as well as Angus Graham, a rookie listed player. So in that case, Richmond goes straight to the bottom four.
Dominant Key Position Backs:
Now this is where my arguement lies. The Eagles had Glass, the Cats had Scarlett and Egan, the Lions' threepeat had Michael and White etc. Good one-on-one defenders are hard to come by, moreso than any other position in the AFL, in my opinion. So here is the teams' respective KPP in the backline this season:
Essendon: Michael/Fletcher/Ryder
Carlton: Whitnall/Waite
Melbourne: Carroll/Holland
Richmond: Thursfield/Polak/McGuane/Bowden.
Now, to me Richmond has the weakest of the 4, despite running 4 players through those positions during the course of the season. But the Tigers always seemed intent for that position NOT to be filled by Bowden, and thus he was often on the third string tall; and Polak was put forward and back depending on the team. Thus, Thursfield and McGuane seemed to be the KPPs for the backline at the end of the season.
It would seem to me that it goes Essendon/Melbourne/Carlton/Richmond in terms of rankings for KPP backman this season. This is proven by Richmond's inability to stop KPP forwards throughout the season. However, I want to examine they KPP forward line of LAST season for each club.
Essendon: Fletcher/Bradley
Carlton: Whitnall/ I honestly I have no idea. Which isn't a good thing.
Melbourne: Carroll/ Holland
Richmond: Gaspar/ Kellaway.
Add to that that Michael was the CHB for the Lions and you see that the ranks probably would have been Melbourne/Essendon/Richmond/Carlton. Here is the difference, the Tigers are the only team this season, and of those 4 that have two totally new KPP backmen in their team. Others have new players (Essendon with Michael and Ryder, and Carlton with Waite) but of those new players, only one isn't an established AFL player.
So already, the Richmond Tigers started this season behind the 8-ball so to speak; they had no ruckmen and two new key position backline players.
So, the obvious question is what does that mean for the Tigers in terms of how they will better the list for next season. Well, heres my answer, lets look at the last month of those four teams:
Essendon:1-3
Carlton: 0-4
Melbourne: 2-2
Richmond: 2-2
The team Essendon defeated was Carlton. The teams Melbourne defeated were Carlton and the Western Bulldogs. The teams Richmond defeated were the Bombers and the Magpies. Now realistically, Richmond should have been 3-1 as they had the game against St.Kilda well within their reach being 2 goals up with 10 minutes left in the game. When for no apparent reason, Wallace sits Richardson and Foley who I believe didn't play again in the game (The top two finishers in our B&F). But regardless, Richmond and Melbourne were the equal two successful teams in the last month. Strangley, that success for the Tigers corresponded with the success and improvement shown by Thursfield and McGuane, our two Backline KPPs.
Heres why we will improve then next season; our Ruck core will have its number 1 ruckman (who was a top 5 ruckman in 2006) back, as well as the continued development of our backline. Furthermore, I believe that Richmond will finish higher than both Carlton and Essendon next season. Carlton because it loses Whitnall, and thus has one KP backline player - Waite - to rely on; who isn't full time. They will have to (more than likely) fill that void with a young player or two and be in the same situation Richmond was in this season. Likewise, the ruck core of Carlton doesn't get stronger. Now obviously at this stage Kruezer is heading to the Navy Blue; but will he come in as your number 1 ruckman? Don't think so. On Essendon, its more the fact that they now have a new number 1 ruckman in Jason Laycock (I believe) and I question how much burn Fletcher and Mal Michael will get with Knights at the helm wanting to focus on developing the youth. But thats just pure speculation.
Now before people start ranting and raving about the vastly superior midfields or forward lines, and whilst they are important, the depth accross the AFL in those areas means it isn't as important as the Ruck and the Backline. However, if need be, I am prepared to look at those areas as well.
For 27 years ?
You stupid moron, we've only ever started rebuilding since TW came to the club. NO other Richmond coach has been bothered to rebuild, at least he's here for the hard yards.
Keep your sh1t on your side of the fence smart ass.
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