Player Watch Rising Star 2022 Discussion

[Dewyyyyy]

Right but I'm pointing out that he's played 6 games this season and polled in half of them. I think that's pretty consistent and that he should be higher in the overall conversation.

Close or just in the 5 atm for me.

 

[eth-dog]

He's unreal, he's got real no weaknesses.

Inside game: Fast hands, ability to get ball from inside to outside, super strong with fends, clean below his knees.

Outside: Explosiveness, pretty good speed, a cannon of a leg and some really good class and kicking.

Probably missing things too.

I'd say he's an average kick. That's about it though

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I'd say he's an average kick. That's about it though

You'd be wrong. If there's no genuine target for him to hit, he'll go long. He can kick a farking long way so that helps too. But he's not an "average" kick.

 

[eth-dog]

You'd be wrong. If there's no genuine target for him to hit, he'll go long. He can kick a farking long way so that helps too. But he's not an "average" kick.

He is. I've seen him make some bad turnovers. He's a great player but kicking is definitely a flaw

 

[Yoda_]

You'd be wrong. If there's no genuine target for him to hit, he'll go long. He can kick a farking long way so that helps too. But he's not an "average" kick.

Darcy Parish is heavily criticised for doing a similar role that Newcombe does at Hawthorn and he goes significantly better (+7.7%) disposal efficiency.


I think eth-dog has a fairly level and valid criticism of Newcombe.



F.Y.I, the league average is around the 71-74% efficiency, Jai is below that. So again, it isn't a bad point of view to be made.

 

[eth-dog]

Darcy Parish is heavily criticised for doing a similar role that Newcombe does at Hawthorn and he goes significantly better (+7.7%) disposal efficiency.


I think eth-dog has a fairly level and valid criticism of Newcombe.



F.Y.I, the league average is around the 71-74% efficiency, Jai is below that. So again, it isn't a bad point of view to be made.

Don't care about DE, as I explained above it's a poor statistic. Newcombe's kicking doesn't pass the eye test

 

[nurries]

He is like a big cat, agile and fast. Once he grows into his body, will be a real weapon

 

[Chopperdave]

Newcombe is an absolute putrid kick. There is a reason he never made it in the juniors. That said he is a bull and sometimes that's enough to make it. Many stars out there are not fantastic kicks so its not like he is the only one.

 

[tiger_tough]

You didn't explain what the Official AFL rankings mean.

The eye test means I look at how much the player impacts the game, so I don't give a sh*t were they were drafted.

Martin has been the Bombers best player this year. Chapman has been fantastic in the 2nd best defence this year. And Bowey has been an elite ball user and good defensive player in the best defence this year.

Gibcus will be an excellent key defender, but his impact on games to date has been minimal.

What is there to explain? Try here -
Player ratings: frequently asked questions - Player ratings: frequently asked questions

That is just not true. Did you miss him towel up Ben Brown? Darling too. Hes impacted often.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Darcy Parish is heavily criticised for doing a similar role that Newcombe does at Hawthorn and he goes significantly better (+7.7%) disposal efficiency.


I think eth-dog has a fairly level and valid criticism of Newcombe.



F.Y.I, the league average is around the 71-74% efficiency, Jai is below that. So again, it isn't a bad point of view to be made.

Eth dog mentioned himself that disposal efficiency is an overrated stat, i wouldn't count someone like Petracca as an average kick, i'd say because of the risk he takes with his kicks, he's bound to have a worse efficiency, the bloke who can take risk and have a high % are rare breeds.

Parish doesn't do alot of what Newcombe does and Newcombe doesn't do some of what Parish does. Parish can find the footy with absolute ease and his clearance work is ridiculous. Newcombe hasn't got the clearance game atm only at about 3 clearances a game. Parish is what you'd call an average kick, doesn't take much risk, either long to contests or short to open men, he's good by hand tho but overuses it sometimes.

Newcombe is a brute of a man, really good fend, super strong, really good pace and that side of his game, Parish doesn't have.

Their roles aren't similar.

 

[HairyO]

When was the last time we were 1/3 of the way in to a season and had half a dozen players who could very easily win it?

Was it like this before COVID and my brain has rotted over the last 2 years?

I certainly remember most years coming down to 2 players or maybe 3. But we genuinely have half a dozen kids playing simply stunning football.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He is. I've seen him make some bad turnovers. He's a great player but kicking is definitely a flaw

It's not a flaw.

Petracca as i mentioned just then isn't in my eyes as an average kick, he takes risks so his efficiency will take a hit and he'll have the odd turnover which makes your head scratch.

Average kicks are blokes like Parish.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Newcombe is an absolute putrid kick. There is a reason he never made it in the juniors. That said he is a bull and sometimes that's enough to make it. Many stars out there are not fantastic kicks so its not like he is the only one.

He's playing more of an outside or balanced role rather than 100% inside first ball, probably more balanced. Which relies more on kicking. He is doing so well in it because he can hit really good kicks and take risks.

Dunno who you're watching big man.

 

[eth-dog]

It's not a flaw.

Petracca as i mentioned just then isn't in my eyes as an average kick, he takes risks so his efficiency will take a hit and he'll have the odd turnover which makes your head scratch.

Average kicks are blokes like Parish.

Yep. Parish is an example of an average kick. So is Newcombe.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Yep. Parish is an example of an average kick. So is Newcombe.

Newcombe is a better kick than Parish.

Parish takes little risk, isn't huge on metres gained because alot of the time he's taking easier options and knowing his limitations.

Newcombe takes risks, and hits targets in doing so, you take the bad with the good on occasions. Someone like Petracca is as i've mentioned, you could also say Dusty at times (inconsistent, really good but can turn it over bad also)

 

[Yoda_]

Dominic03 is this the time where you bang on about Newcombe despite everything and everyone suggesting you're not as accurate as you think?


Happened on the SC board. Happened in the Hawthorn best youth thread, now happening in the RS thread.

No one is suggesting he is crap, just feel you're over rating him as a player but that is just the Hawks bias coming through.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Chapman is going to give the whole award a push come the end of the year. Given the number of games we'll win and the way he's playing, he'll probably lead coaches votes of eligible players come round 23. $21 is pretty good value if you fancy a punt

Agreed. One decent news story and he’ll be third favourite.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Dominic03 is this the time where you bang on about Newcombe despite everything and everyone suggesting you're not as accurate as you think?


Happened on the SC board. Happened in the Hawthorn best youth thread, now happening in the RS thread.

No one is suggesting he is crap, just feel you're over rating him as a player but that is just the Hawks bias coming through.

LOL, he's just not an average kick.

His weaknesses aren't really out there or obvious, but the thing is neither are his strengths at times, besides his actual brute strength. His best attribute is his overall balance in his gamestyle and as a player.

It's not being as accurate as i think, it's probably on me for not portraying what i am trying to explain on an easier level.

Also i've never talked about Newcombe on the SC board, and very minimally at stages on the youth board where alot of it was accepted aka him being a good talent and has shown to be as such.

 

[Sphynx]

Newcombe is a better kick than Parish.

Parish takes little risk, isn't huge on metres gained because alot of the time he's taking easier options and knowing his limitations.

Newcombe takes risks, and hits targets in doing so, you take the bad with the good on occasions. Someone like Petracca is as i've mentioned, you could also say Dusty at times (inconsistent, really good but can turn it over bad also)

The only player likely to be like Dusty or Petracca in this RS pool is JHF, not Newcombe.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

The only player likely to be like Dusty or Petracca on this pool is JHF, not Newcombe.

Here comes the North fans.

JHF is a gun mate, Newcombe is also a gun is there any issue?

And it's not me saying "Newcombe" is the next Dusty or Petracca or Fyfe or whatever. It's taking parts and comparing. Petracca and Dusty take risk, they're high metres gained players who can be elite by foot and horrible at the same stance, they aren't average kicks. But they aren't elite by foot either, it's where Newcombe sits.

 

[Sphynx]

Here comes the North fans.

JHF is a gun mate, Newcombe is also a gun is there any issue?

And it's not me saying "Newcombe" is the next Dusty or Petracca or Fyfe or whatever. It's taking parts and comparing. Petracca and Dusty take risk, they're high metres gained players who can be elite by foot and horrible at the same stance, they aren't average kicks. But they aren't elite by foot either, it's where Newcombe sits.

I’m not talking about how good they may or may not be either

I’m purely comparing their athletic gifts and style of play. JHF is much more like a Danger or Dusty than Newcombe is.

I don’t see the Petracca comparison at all tbh.

If I was to take a very long bow and if we have to compare him to a past champion, the guy id compare his style of play to and body size etc to is Dane Swan.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I’m not taking about how good they may or may not be wither.

I’m purely comparing their athletic gifts and style of play. JHF is much more like a Danger or Dusty than Newcombe is.

I don’t see the Petracca comparison at all tbh.

Lol.

JHF and Newcombe are very similar.

JHF probably more like Dusty or Danger in terms of speed but Newcombe is more like Petracca in that sense because he's got that brute strength and just "you can't tackle me" vibe.

I'd be ecstatic even if Newcombe was a top 5 pick, let alone mid season pick 2.

 

[Sphynx]

Lol.

JHF and Newcombe are very similar.

JHF probably more like Dusty or Danger in terms of speed but Newcombe is more like Petracca in that sense because he's got that brute strength and just "you can't tackle me" vibe.

I'd be ecstatic even if Newcombe was a top 5 pick, let alone mid season pick 2.

Ok mate.

 

[Yoda_]

LOL, he's just not an average kick.

His weaknesses aren't really out there or obvious, but the thing is neither are his strengths at times, besides his actual brute strength. His best attribute is his overall balance in his gamestyle and as a player.

It's not being as accurate as i think, it's probably on me for not portraying what i am trying to explain on an easier level.

Also i've never talked about Newcombe on the SC board, and very minimally at stages on the youth board where alot of it was accepted aka him being a good talent and has shown to be as such.

Jai is literally in the top 20 for total turnovers (16th) and total clangers per game (12th).

Now disposal efficiency might not be a great stat but more stats are backing up the claim that Jai isn't an overly great kick. He isn't Dylan Clarke bad but he isn''t Daniel Rich good.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Jai is literally in the top 20 for total turnovers (16th) and total clangers per game (12th).

Now disposal efficiency might not be a great stat but more stats are backing up the claim that Jai isn't an overly great kick. He isn't Dylan Clarke bad but he isn''t Daniel Rich good.

Exactly. Clarke is below average bad. Rich is on the elite level, takes risks and is a rare breed with DE%.

He's not average but he's not too far above average either is Jai.

Again i don't think stats do any justice to it, because i've seen stats with Petracca before with his clanger and turnovers.