Preview Rnd 1- Carlton v Richmond Thursday 16th March 7.20M @ MCG - Team - Post #898

[DirtyLeeds]

Not wanting to be a smartass, as I enjoy your comments on here, but my starting line-up has 3 of those 4 and yours doesn't

(ducks for cover)

Serious question though - how do you see us using the sub this year? I was thinking tactical - a burst-type player, who could come on late and be the difference. You've gone for Ed. His one-wood is endurance. What is the idea behind that? Are you thinking endurance is so important this year, we cannot risk losing one of our runners, so need to have one up our sleeve in case of injury?

I've been thinking about the 'sub' this year too.....

An older player who can change a game in a quarter? A first year player who can burst out of the blocks like Usain? How is this potentially match altering tactic best used.....

I am thinking Kemp might just be that player this year

 

[The Bighouse]

No doubts on McGovern....he played intraclub last weekend back here they said

Unfort always doubts on Mitch’s body pulling through.

 

[BlueBlood15]

I don’t have Richmond in my top tier of clubs (Geelong, Brisbane, Melbourne and maybe Sydney) going into the season, so I think we’re a good chance here despite a number of outs.

One key concern I have is around some of our players who didn’t see practice match game time. Every time I try to put in place a best 22 for this game I come back to guys like McGovern, C Durdin, Martin and Marchbank if fit. Almost every best 22 in this thread has McGovern and C Durdin. I would pick them if fit but we’re asking a lot of them as they may need time to build up match form.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Potential Round 1 Team

B: Kemp, Weitering, Newman
HB: Cowan, Young, Saad
C: Docherty, Cripps, Acres
HF: Motlop, Curnow, Kennedy
F: JSOS, McKay, Owies
R: TDK, Hewett, Cerra
IC: Hollands, Carroll, Fisher, Plowman
Sub: Pittonet

Tried to go with 22 players who should be fit enough to get through the game which is why Pitto is the sub.
Have my doubts that any of Gov, Marchbank, Cunners or Martin have done any meaningful training since the Xmas break.
Plow gets a game to help with rotations.
Gone with Carroll & Hollands ahead of Dow, O'Brien & Ed.

Tip: Of all the recruits we've brought into the club, Harry Lemmey's development will be an interesting watch over the next couple of years.

 

[Arr0w]

Not wanting to be a smartass, as I enjoy your comments on here, but my starting line-up has 3 of those 4 and yours doesn't

(ducks for cover)

Yes, I did notice that

Serious question though - how do you see us using the sub this year? I was thinking tactical - a burst-type player, who could come on late and be the difference. You've gone for Ed. His one-wood is endurance. What is the idea behind that? Are you thinking endurance is so important this year, we cannot risk losing one of our runners, so need to have one up our sleeve in case of injury?

I think endurance or motor types will be used as a sub, especially if they can play multiple roles. Ed can fill a hole inside, wing, or a defensive HF that still hits the scoreboard

Burst types, are usually xfactor players, they can swing a game at any time, but you never know when.

Think we go in with both Pitto and TDK, then either will be subbed if need be, or another tall ish type, for an extra runner

 

[HyphensBack]

Preferred Team for Round 1
Guys in bold - uncertain
1) Rucks: initially I thought two rucks and then use the sub for run, based on the two games to date I think one ruck until Pittonet is game fit
2) Half back: Cincotta from mine over Cowan, mature body and probably cause I wanted to bring in Hollands and only one of MCGovern/Marchbank
3) half forward - JSOS rather than 2nd ruck, Durdin is needed but only if 100%, Owies or Kemp for 7th forward (Martin would be much better but is he ready??) and want Carroll as the sub

FB: Newman Young McGovern
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cripps O'Brien
HF: Motlop C.Curnow Fisher
FF: Silvagni McKay C.Durdin

R: TDK Hewett Cerra

Int: Hollands, Kennedy, Cincotta, Owies
Sub: Carroll
Emergencies: Martin, Cowan, Plowman, Marchbank, Kemp, E Curnow, Pittonet, Dow

Rd2-4 hopefully: Walsh, Cuningham,
Mid Season: Lemmey, Cowan

Actually this was depressing, where is our so called depth, neither Owies, Carroll, Kemp have shown anything or had much chance, Walsh might need to play - surely not
Plowman is gonna get games and Marchbank might get on the park but gee can’t wait for Lemmey, Cowan, Carroll and Kemp being First 18

 

[thebluenewdeal]

Back Six
Young | Weitering | Saad
Newman | McGovern | Docherty

Midfield
Cerra | Cripps | Acres

Pittonet | Hewett | Kennedy

Forward Six
Silvagni | Curnow | TDK
Owies | McKay | Durdin

Bench
Motlop Cowan Hollands Fisher

Sub
Ed Curnow

Emergency
Plowman Honey Cincotta O’Brien

Can’t let Richmond get to a quick start. They’ve got a fresh outlook with the new players they bought over which is dangerous if the get going early. However, they also have some underdone and underperforming players in their 22. We just have to focus on killing any momentum they get in the game and slowly turn it our way.
Can see us getting smashed by 40+ if we let them get on top early but can also see us beating them by 20-40 points if we stay disciplined.

 

[Jimmae]

The second guessing going on in here is wild

 

[8Special K]

The second guessing going on in here is wild

We’re scarred and hurt. Who would have second guessed missing finals after being 8-2? Not me

 

[JJBagger]

Tiges could potentially be without Prestia and Short

 

[JustaBattler]

The best thing I can say about round one is that Richmond now only have one wing to run through with ease - and after watching Pittonet and TDK pretend to be ruckmen - I hope the onballers enjoy tackling.

 

[haveago]

Keen to see Cowan Motlop Durdin and maybe even Hollands out there together - gotta replace the "seen enoughs" with young fearless types

Motlop, I feel a certainty. The match committee backed him in as best 22 second half of last season and I can't see that changing.

Holland the most likely IMO on one wing of those you have mentioned.
However LOB was good in first scratch match so line ball I feel.

Cowan showed some real desire/grunt and flashes but pretty hard to break into our defense, maybe if Newy doesn't come up?
I really like the boy but he will have to earn his debut as it should be with strong sides.

Durdin needs to kill it in the VFL IMO as we cant play all our smalls. Fish and Mots will cover this spot Rd.1.

I think we got rid of virtually all of our "seen enoughs "at end of last season with the culling of Setterfield, Newnes,
Williamson , Stocker, Mc Donald , Parkes and Hayes. I do put Ed Curnow in this category however, sorry.

 

[El Topo]

Motlop, I feel a certainty. The match committee backed him in as best 22 second half of last season and I can't see that changing.

Holland the most likely IMO on one wing of those you have mentioned.
However LOB was good in first scratch match so line ball I feel.

Cowan showed some real desire/grunt and flashes but pretty hard to break into our defense, maybe if Newy doesn't come up?
I like the boy but he will have to earn his debut as it should be with strong sides.

Durdin needs to kill it in the VFL IMO as we cant play all our smalls. Fish and Mots will cover this spot Rd.1.

I think we got rid of virtually all of our "seen enoughs "at end of last season with the culling of Setterfield, Newnes,
Williamson , Stocker, Mc Donald , Parkes and Hayes. I do put Ed Curnow in this category however, sorry.

I'd include Fisher and Owies in the seen enough column - there's a reason why the coaches are so keen to fast track Mots and Durdin

 

[haveago]

I'd include Fisher and Owies in the seen enough column - there's a reason why the coaches are so keen to fast track Mots and Durdin

Owies..... quite possibly yes. Needs a good year.
I am still a slippery little Fish fan however.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I'd include Fisher and Owies in the seen enough column - there's a reason why the coaches are so keen to fast track Mots and Durdin

You mean the same Zac Fisher who averaged 19 touches and just under a goal a game whilst finishing 8th in our best and fairest last year in probably his first full season without injury.?

Suspect that he'll have a better year this year than last year. Seems that some appear to have allowed last Friday night's game to be the only memory that they have of certain players.

 

[bigblueboy]

The best thing I can say about round one is that Richmond now only have one wing to run through with ease - and after watching Pittonet and TDK pretend to be ruckmen - I hope the onballers enjoy tackling.

Jeezus. I’ll propose an alternative view.

Our “other” winger on the weekend was a kid yet to play an AFL game who is 80kg wringing wet. He’ll be fine, maybe even better than that. The week before Lachie O’Brien was the other winger - and probably in our best 3 or 4. I reckon our wings are going to be a weapon this year.

Pittonet was the most effective ruckman we’ve seen since Kreuzer in the first cew rounds last season before going down with injury. He’s actually a very effective centre bounce ruckman who will more than hold his own as his fitness improves. Our mids dominated clearances when he played last year - so tackling less important. I would say, however that George, Patrick, Matt and Adam on my viewing don’t mind tackling. Actually they seem to enjoy it, as you suggest, but it’s not required as the first prerequisite of the game plan.

TDK just needs time. He has shown great aerial skills just needs to become more consistent and play 4 quarters. Patience required.

 

[bigblueboy]

Potential Round 1 Team

B: Kemp, Weitering, Newman
HB: Cowan, Young, Saad
C: Docherty, Cripps, Acres
HF: Motlop, Curnow, Kennedy
F: JSOS, McKay, Owies
R: TDK, Hewett, Cerra
IC: Hollands, Carroll, Fisher, Plowman
Sub: Pittonet

Tried to go with 22 players who should be fit enough to get through the game which is why Pitto is the sub.
Have my doubts that any of Gov, Marchbank, Cunners or Martin have done any meaningful training since the Xmas break.
Plow gets a game to help with rotations.
Gone with Carroll & Hollands ahead of Dow, O'Brien & Ed.

Tip: Of all the recruits we've brought into the club, Harry Lemmey's development will be an interesting watch over the next couple of years.

McGovern has been managed through pre-season but has done most sessions. He’s ready to go.
Martin has also done plenty but was hampered in February. I don’t think he’ll be as far away as some think.

 

[El Topo]

You mean the same Zac Fisher who averaged 19 touches and just under a goal a game whilst finishing 8th in our best and fairest last year in probably his first full season without injury.?

Suspect that he'll have a better year this year than last year. Seems that some appear to have allowed last Friday night's game to be the only memory that they have of certain players.

Yep, that's the one. Can only carry so many forwards who don't worry the opposition physically or on the scoreboard.

 

[JustaBattler]

Jeezus. I’ll propose an alternative view.

Our “other” winger on the weekend was a kid yet to play an AFL game who is 80kg wringing wet. He’ll be fine, maybe even better than that. The week before Lachie O’Brien was the other winger - and probably in our best 3 or 4. I reckon our wings are going to be a weapon this year.

Pittonet was the most effective ruckman we’ve seen since Kreuzer in the first cew rounds last season before going down with injury. He’s actually a very effective centre bounce ruckman who will more than hold his own as his fitness improves. Our mids dominated clearances when he played last year - so tackling less important. I would say, however that George, Patrick, Matt and Adam on my viewing don’t mind tackling. Actually they seem to enjoy it, as you suggest, but it’s not required as the first prerequisite of the game plan.

TDK just needs time. He has shown great aerial skills just needs to become more consistent and play 4 quarters. Patience required.

LOB played in both matches - not surprising you didn't notice him in the second. Holland as a raw teenager is already better than LoB - but being better than LoB is a very very low benchmark in AFL - irrespective of Holland's potential he isn't going to be able to match it physically with more developed players - this was on display in the praccy matches.

Pittonet has been out of action for nearly a year now and looks like it. TDK still hasn't learned to time his jump. They both have to lift - and lift significantly if Carlton is to be able to play to its strengths and that is win ball and get it to CHarrlie combo - the other 'forwards' don't rate against better opposition defenses - the facts are on the table as far as goals not kicked go and Durdin is nowhere to be seen - same for Martin and Cuningham managed to find a new injury along with Williams in the final day of pre-season training.

I'm an optimist by nature but reality is reality - unless the other 4 forwards start kicking goals and the two rucks manage to get close to halving clearances - it is going to be very hard yards against any opposition.

Mind you as this pans out and the team starts with two losses - I wont be one of the nuffies calling for Voss to be sacked because he has no "plan B, Cor D.

 

[JustaBattler]

Yep, that's the one. Can only carry so many forwards who don't worry the opposition physically or on the scoreboard.

He is good at running around in circles when there is a contest on.

 

[chipzac]

More than few think that Pitto and Tdk shouldn't be in the same side as neither appears to be good resting around the goals.
I know he would have plenty of competition, but I'm just wondering if Tdk has ever been tried as a key back, and if not, whether it would be worth trying him there, particularly if Pitt becomes the preferred option in the ruck.

 

[BIuebagger]

We’re back. 4 points here can really help propel us again for a hot start to our season, like last year. Stop their overlap, be clean as possible by foot especially and allow them to not play to their strengths with the one percenters and contested ball, especially with Taranto in the mix now.

Our transition from D50 needs to be damaging, especially on turnover. Just would love to see our wingers and HFF lower their eyes when they need to to hit up the targets if we rip them open on transition. I’m so pumped, here’s to a good year and hopefully some finals footy finally.

 

[RAPPA]

More than few think that Pitto and Tdk shouldn't be in the same side as neither appears to be good resting around the goals.
I know he would have plenty of competition, but I'm just wondering if Tdk has ever been tried as a key back, and if not, whether it would be worth trying him there, particularly if Pitt becomes the preferred option in the ruck.

If you combine the two you get a competent ruck. Play them both in the same team and we are one man down

 

[Sin City]

Yep, that's the one. Can only carry so many forwards who don't worry the opposition physically or on the scoreboard.

Yeah, he’s not a terrible player at all but this year Richmond’s high half forwards will be Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton. Collingwood will have De Goey and Jamie Elliott there. Adelaide have paid a premium to have Rankine and Rachelle in those spots to dominate for the next decade. It’s where guns like Toby Greene do their best work. Fair to say if we’d drafted Humphrey or Hewett last year they wouldn’t be kept out of the side for too long by our half forwards.

 

[Smegger]

I'd rather Cotchin play to be completely honest. He looked rubbish

Got your wish. Cotchin fined.