Preview Rnd 1- Carlton v Richmond Thursday 16th March 7.20M @ MCG - Team - Post #898

[Sin City]

I'm excited by that team. Great endorsement of our recruiting to have 3 players ready to make their AFL debut in round one.

I was thinking of something much more conservative...

McGovern Weitering Newman
Docherty Young Saad

TDK Hewett Kennedy
Acres Cripps LOB

JSos Charlie Motlop
Durdin McKay Owies

Cerra Fisher Pitto Ed

Sub Martin

Emg: Hollands Cincotta Carroll Plowman

That’s not bad but structure wise I reckon it needs one less ruck and one more half back. Otherwise that’s a hell of a lot of running for the three half backs to do.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Yep, that's the one. Can only carry so many forwards who don't worry the opposition physically or on the scoreboard.

I think from memory there were 2 players in the comp that averaged over 20 touches and a goal a game and Fish (and Cripps) was nearly the third (and 4th)

His stats for a high half forward are very good and this was reflected in his b & f finish. I think he came 4th in our goalkicking. There'd be plenty of takers for him if he came on the market.

 

[gbatman]

Neither team set the world on fire in the preseason but on paper there's a lot of quality out there.

For us we need to get some quality back in the 22.

B: Young Weitering Newman
HF: Saad McGovern Docherty
C: Acres Cripps O'Brien
HF: Fisher Curnow Durdin
F: Motlop McKay DeKoning
OB: Pittonet Hewett Cerra
IC: Marchbank Kennedy Cowan Silvagni
Sub: Martin
EM: Curnow Hollands Owies

Missing Walsh, Williams and Boyd but it's not a huge amount out of our best 22.

Was hoping Carroll and Kemp would have been closer to playing. IMO we need to just play Kemp, waste of time playing Plowman in those games. Should have given Carroll more game time as well. Thought we really wasted those games in some regards.

Think we should win but this game is more 50/50 than we think.

Concerned we are too reliant on winning clearances and our pressure/intercept game is far too weak. Worried we are easy picking for intercept defenders. Still far from convinced we are any good tactically.

Our run on the outside and rebound from defence needs to be good. Our speed and pressure up forward will need to be good. Our ball movement needs to be hard to defend against. Big big test the first two weeks.

 

[MitsMcglovin]

Jeezus. I’ll propose an alternative view.

Our “other” winger on the weekend was a kid yet to play an AFL game who is 80kg wringing wet. He’ll be fine, maybe even better than that. The week before Lachie O’Brien was the other winger - and probably in our best 3 or 4. I reckon our wings are going to be a weapon this year.

Pittonet was the most effective ruckman we’ve seen since Kreuzer in the first cew rounds last season before going down with injury. He’s actually a very effective centre bounce ruckman who will more than hold his own as his fitness improves. Our mids dominated clearances when he played last year - so tackling less important. I would say, however that George, Patrick, Matt and Adam on my viewing don’t mind tackling. Actually they seem to enjoy it, as you suggest, but it’s not required as the first prerequisite of the game plan.

TDK just needs time. He has shown great aerial skills just needs to become more consistent and play 4 quarters. Patience required.

I’m keen to see a game where hollands, cottrell, acres, O’Brien and Walsh play in the same side.


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[luke livingston seagull]

I’m keen to see a game where hollands, cottrell, acres, O’Brien and Walsh play in the same side.


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You don’t even see that many wings at KFC

 

[M_I_G]

Was hoping Carroll and Kemp would have been closer to playing. IMO we need to just play Kemp, waste of time playing Plowman in those games. Should have given Carroll more game time as well. Thought we really wasted those games in some regards.

Me too, thought he could develop into a versatile player for us but seems to be well back in the pecking order, can’t even get a preseason practice game in

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Kemp offers more than anyone else on the list as the tactical sub; big bullocking mid, third forward, intercepting defender......

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Yep, that's the one. Can only carry so many forwards who don't worry the opposition physically or on the scoreboard.

If only Martin could last most of the season. As a half forward, his tackling, marking, goal sense and mongrel are the things Fish lacks.
Fish is a good field kick, looks elusive as a loose mid, where can find space and collect possessions, but come finals pressure time he will struggle.
Cunners would be a nice alternative too.

 

[Beyond Blue]

More than few think that Pitto and Tdk shouldn't be in the same side as neither appears to be good resting around the goals.
I know he would have plenty of competition, but I'm just wondering if Tdk has ever been tried as a key back, and if not, whether it would be worth trying him there, particularly if Pitt becomes the preferred option in the ruck.

IMO TDK just isn’t agile enough to play key position at either end of the ground. When he plays forward on the rare occasions he kicks a goal it’s pretty much only from stationary play, that is a mark or free kick. He is however reasonably agile for a ruckman. The issue we have is that Pitto is pretty much exactly the same so you can’t play both of them. I think at seasons end we’ll have to make a call on one of them as they are just too similar.

The second ruck spot is a real concern. IMO I think we may have to consider picking both Gov and Marchy so we have temporary cover to release Young to be back up ruck man to one of Pitto and TDK. This leaves sos to play permanently at half forward rather than back up ruckman which makes us look better as he is very good at offering a leading target. If only he could sharpen up his kicking for goal.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Kemp offers more than anyone else on the list as the tactical sub; big bullocking mid, third forward, intercepting defender......

Whist I tend to agree he is a good option as the sub by virtue of his flexibility he hasn’t played any scratch matches - even the 2s game against the Pies - so I doubt he’s any chance to play against Richmond even as the sub.

 

[bigblueboy]

I did notice. I noticed he was playing a very different role against Sydney to the role he played against Collingwood. I’m guessing our Collingwood game set up probably going to be a better guide than our most recent game.

Interested in why you think Hollands is better than O’Brien based on the two practice games we’ve seen from Hollands.

LOB played in both matches - not surprising you didn't notice him in the second. Holland as a raw teenager is already better than LoB - but being better than LoB is a very very low benchmark in AFL - irrespective of Holland's potential he isn't going to be able to match it physically with more developed players - this was on display in the praccy matches.

 

[Arr0w]

The second guessing going on in here is wild

We all do that before teams are announced

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Kemp offers more than anyone else on the list as the tactical sub; big bullocking mid, third forward, intercepting defender......

Kemp or Hollands for sub, Hollands looks like his running ability would see him impact immediately.(sometimes subs find it hard to adjust to the tempo at short notice)

 

[WalshYouLegend]

I’m keen to see a game where hollands, cottrell, acres, O’Brien and Walsh play in the same side.


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[TENACIOUS]

How convenient, Cotchin got off again with another fine...

 

[Beyond Blue]

You mean the same Zac Fisher who averaged 19 touches and just under a goal a game whilst finishing 8th in our best and fairest last year in probably his first full season without injury.?

Suspect that he'll have a better year this year than last year. Seems that some appear to have allowed last Friday night's game to be the only memory that they have of certain players.

Whilst last year was a breakout for Fisher in terms of games and output it was only because he’d been so inconsistent in previous years. He is actually quite average compared to his peers from rival club.

Powell Pepper, Gresham, Bolton, Bailey, Cogs, Dusty, Lipinski, Toby Greene, Dylan Moore, Gulden and Ainsworth from the suns are all more productive than him IMO.

He still has a lot of improvement to make before he is the player we need him to be. Granted it was only a scratch match but he’d want to do a fair bit more than he did the other night against the Swans.

 

[JustaBattler]

I did notice. I noticed he was playing a very different role against Sydney to the role he played against Collingwood. I’m guessing our Collingwood game set up probably going to be a better guide than our most recent game.

Interested in why you think Hollands is better than O’Brien based on the two practice games we’ve seen from Hollands.

(IMO) Hollands is naturally aggressive and willing to run with ball in hand which is what you want to see in a flanker - the only thing LoB has over him at this stage is an ability to hit a difficult target - sometimes. Yes LoB is an endurance runner - so is Hollands.

Also I disagree that the Sydney game was 'different' - the only thing different was Dow in for Cripps, Newman and Harry 'rested' and Pittonet getting a run.

The manner in which Sydney were able to rebound was all on the other 4 forwards. The manner in which they dominated CBB was particularly disconcerting.

and yes it was 'only' a praccy match.

 

[HyphensBack]

More than few think that Pitto and Tdk shouldn't be in the same side as neither appears to be good resting around the goals.
I know he would have plenty of competition, but I'm just wondering if Tdk has ever been tried as a key back, and if not, whether it would be worth trying him there, particularly if Pitt becomes the preferred option in the ruck.

Don’t mind this but figure they would have done this in the practice matches if it was on the cards

 

[HyphensBack]

Neither team set the world on fire in the preseason but on paper there's a lot of quality out there.

For us we need to get some quality back in the 22.

B: Young Weitering Newman
HF: Saad McGovern Docherty
C: Acres Cripps O'Brien
HF: Fisher Curnow Durdin
F: Motlop McKay DeKoning
OB: Pittonet Hewett Cerra
IC: Marchbank Kennedy Cowan Silvagni
Sub: Martin
EM: Curnow Hollands Owies

Missing Walsh, Williams and Boyd but it's not a huge amount out of our best 22.

Was hoping Carroll and Kemp would have been closer to playing. IMO we need to just play Kemp, waste of time playing Plowman in those games. Should have given Carroll more game time as well. Thought we really wasted those games in some regards.

Think we should win but this game is more 50/50 than we think.

Concerned we are too reliant on winning clearances and our pressure/intercept game is far too weak. Worried we are easy picking for intercept defenders. Still far from convinced we are any good tactically.

Our run on the outside and rebound from defence needs to be good. Our speed and pressure up forward will need to be good. Our ball movement needs to be hard to defend against. Big big test the first two weeks.

Initially I thought we might go with the two rucks strategy (didn’t appear to work against Sydney but wouldn’t be surprised).

If they did go this way, I suspect they wouldnt bring in both Marchbank and MCGovern - I’d say they would bring Holland’s in

Martin as a sun is a good option - I like it, I went for Carroll

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

How convenient, Cotchin got off again with another fine...

Cowan will sort him out.

Dimma will never play him up forward again.

 

[Sickblue]

Whist I tend to agree he is a good option as the sub by virtue of his flexibility he hasn’t played any scratch matches - even the 2s game against the Pies - so I doubt he’s any chance to play against Richmond even as the sub.

Nor has he ever played an AFL nor VFL game as a mid.

 

[Sickblue]

Do we have any news on Durdin and his injury? I feel his value to our team (I’d have Newman in the same category) is severely underrated. If he plays, he’s a massive in. Richmond will play through the likes of Roli, Short, Baker and co off half back and Durdins pressure, pace and agility will be super important to curbing this.

If our ins from the swans game are Harry, Crippa, Gov, Newman and Durdin it’s game on baby!!

My biggest question mark is the ruck debate as Pitto (who is my first choice ruck) looked really, really underdone. If we play both id imagine Pitto is subbed out, but also don’t mind if we opt for more run early and bring Pitto on as the sub in the 3rd. Will be intriguing to see which way we roll.

 

[ETET]

I really like Cowan. But he was on Heeney early and could not control him. We still need a no nonsense, quick, agile, strong, lockdown defender. These 2/3 goal types, Bolton, Greene, Heeney, Ginnivan, Stengle, Pickett all lay in wait.

Saad is a big sacrifice, Newman a little too slow, Doc not his go..we need Boyd and someone else like him on the list.

Who is on Bolton/Martin/Baker/Rioli when forward?

 

[Jimmae]

I really like Cowan. But he was on Heeney early and could not control him. We still need a no nonsense, quick, agile, strong, lockdown defender. These 2/3 goal types, Bolton, Greene, Heeney, Ginnivan, Stengle, Pickett all lay in wait.

Saad is a big sacrifice, Newman a little too slow, Doc not his go..we need Boyd and someone else like him on the list.

Who is on Bolton/Martin/Baker/Rioli when forward?

Boyd would get absolutely carved by Heeney, who'd just play deep or play off leading up at the ball. You're seemingly jonesing for someone like Plowman there, when you just need someone who is disciplined enough to pick when to go and when to not bother and keep the zone compact.

You're not going to be able to perfectly account for every other team's athletic capabilities all of the time, hell even most of the time these days. Just try and ensure the defensive system will kill off and create more than it gives away.

 

[Wickzki]

My biggest question mark is the ruck debate as Pitto (who is my first choice ruck) looked really, really underdone. If we play both id imagine Pitto is subbed out, but also don’t mind if we opt for more run early and bring Pitto on as the sub in the 3rd. Will be intriguing to see which way we roll.

Not to insult you at all but it'd be major silly buggers to play Pittonet as a sub

You need run late if/when the game is won the trenches. If you lost a half back or a midfielder you'd be handing the game on a platter to Richmond.

Either Pittonet is healthy enough to give you a 4 quarter effort or he doesn't get selected

As for the sub it's either Kemp or Ed Curnow for mine if either/neither makes the starting 22. Kemp gives you coverage in all three thirds of the ground while Ed gives you veteran leadership and run