Preview Rnd 12 Geelong V Richmond, Sat 1st June 2024, 7:30pm @ KP

[CatToTheFuture]

Exactly right. We've already got a few defensive midfielders who don't get a heap of the ball; surely an accumulator is just what we're missing.

This is the part I don't get though, how is Hardie an accumulator? He's hit 30+ 3 times ever in the 2s

Not looking to start an argument, I just don't get it

 

[Finknottle]

We need Darren Burgess

For a brief moment I saw Dean “The Weapon” Robinson

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Why do people worry about SDK in the ruck? Surely he’s played and trained in this position, he’s 204cm tall and his brother plays in the ruck

Because he looks no good in the ruck

 

[CatToTheFuture]

For a brief moment I saw Dean “The Weapon” Robinson

Ah that would be a no thank you sir

 

[Finknottle]

Ah that would be a no thank you sir

No Danks

 

[bulletproof]

Just posting because I saw it on the Geelong social channel, but the last time Richmond came down to Geelong it really was a great match. Sure it was soured by subsequent events, but that was a great day.

And Dwayne’s ‘Drown them in your honey’ was his most brilliantly bonkers line ever.

 

[bulletproof]

Very exposed in the ruck with no Blicavs. But with the state of their forward line and Bolton missing, we just have to keep Martin in his disinterested state to make this a very comfortable afternoon and a much needed win.

 

[Generalissimo]

This is the part I don't get though, how is Hardie an accumulator? He's hit 30+ 3 times ever in the 2s

All of them in the last six weeks, and he's regularly getting high 20s as well. At times he's been played out of position in the magoos, no doubt to develop other areas of his game, which naturally deflates his possession counts. But he was a relentless ball getter at WWT as well.

 

[catempire]

Says we'd be stupid to go back to what hasn't worked... aka Parfitt or O'Connor. His words not mine.

So he didn’t watch the 7-0 in which those two missed one game between them.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

All of them in the last six weeks, and he's regularly getting high 20s as well. At times he's been played out of position in the magoos, no doubt to develop other areas of his game, which naturally deflates his possession counts. But he was a relentless ball getter at WWT as well.

Yeah look, happy to give him a go. I guess we'll see

 

[catempire]

Because he looks no good in the ruck

Nah, others seem to want to protect him from it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Nah, others seem to want to protect him from it.

I guess it's a personal rather than group opinion

 

[bulletproof]

He doesn't appear to be enjoying his footy to me right now give him a crack forward kicking a few goals and rekindle the flame.

Full back is a grind.

I am sure I am mis-remembering how good it was, but SDK’s filthy good cameo in that last quarter comeback v Collingwood in 2022 at CHF was something we need more of.

I am surprised Scott has not tried it more given his penchant for throwing Harry Taylor forward in years past.

That being said, I thought SDK’s second half last week was his most impressive performance in a while.

Was much more on the front foot.

 

[year of the cat]

So he didn’t watch the 7-0 in which those two missed one game between them.

Was just about to say the same. Basically it was Hoyne giving a reasonable assessment but a poor conclusion.

I’m all for giving Hardie a crack to see whether he measures up but not necessarily at the expense of the 2 he named.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So he didn’t watch the 7-0 in which those two missed one game between them.

What is it with this board and average footballers? They're adored more than people's own mother's around here.

 

[feelinfeline]

What is it with this board and average footballers? They're adored more than people's own mother's around here.

Yeah, better to have utter contempt for them, isn’t it?

 

[feelinfeline]

This is the part I don't get though, how is Hardie an accumulator? He's hit 30+ 3 times ever in the 2s

Not looking to start an argument, I just don't get it

Being an accumulator isn’t necessarily a negative, although some people see it that way.

It means he isn’t flashy but just continues to find the ball. There’s something to be said for that.

 

[Finknottle]

Full back is a grind.

I am sure I am mis-remembering how good it was, but SDK’s filthy good cameo in that last quarter comeback v Collingwood in 2022 at CHF was something we need more of.

I am surprised Scott has not tried it more given his penchant for throwing Harry Taylor forward in years past.

That being said, I thought SDK’s second half last week was his most impressive performance in a while.

Was much more on the front foot.

He's not going to get his mojo back playing in the hardest position on the ground. He just needs to focus on his backline craft. Track the incoming ball, mark it if you have a gap on your opponent, otherwise spike it.

 

[Finknottle]

Was just about to say the same. Basically it was Hoyne giving a reasonable assessment but a poor conclusion.

I’m all for giving Hardie a crack to see whether he measures up but not necessarily at the expense of the 2 he named.

Hang on... The 2 he named were dropped from the team. Hoyne's suggesting to put the VFL midfielder who is on fire in the AFL midfield which is falling off the pace.

 

[moond0g]

This is the part I don't get though, how is Hardie an accumulator? He's hit 30+ 3 times ever in the 2s

Not looking to start an argument, I just don't get it

I've literally never seen him play. So again not advocating that he does/doesn't get picked.

But if you're going of VFL numbers he's been our leading disposal getter in 6 of 8 games (and second in another). So he's clearly accumulating more of the ball in the VFL than anyone else we've got. I think that you can make many arguments that he's not going to solve our problems in the AFL side, but using disposal numbers in the VFL as evidence to this seems strange given he is CLEARLY beating everyone we have in that area.

A few caveats: Parfitt, Clark etc. have played fewer VFL games, so it's not possible for them to have done that. But Hardie's still beaten them in that area when they've played together. And a completely separate argument that VFL disposal numbers aren't a great indicator of if someone should get picked in the AFL side. I also think the fact that Hardie is our best VFL midfielder is just as much an indication that we're weak in that area generally than it is that he's a class above. It would be nice to have more mature options in our VFL side, but we don't, so he stands out.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Hang on... The 2 he named were dropped from the team. Hoyne's suggesting to put the VFL midfielder who is on fire in the AFL midfield which is falling off the pace.

The fact those two being in the team for our good start is meant to be a rebuttal to Hoyne proves they either didn't listen to what he was saying or don't understand it.

7-0 start was with -3, -9, -14, -9, +7, 0, -6.
We won the clearances once in a 7-0 start and that was against north ffs.

We got off to a good start by being above AFL average for pressure, which Hoyne noted is hard to maintain for 24 weeks.

His contention therefore was that Hardie was in good form, near on leading the VFL for score involvements, doing well in clearance so we should pick him and not go back to two players who have failed to help us in clearance. He's is arguing it would behoove us to get better at clearance and not need rely on having to be above average for pressure to compete.

Tl;dr version. Doing the same thing over and over won't net different results. Try something different, or in this case someone different.

As a result this constitutes poor analysis by two usually astute contributors here.

 

[you pick one]

The fact those two being in the team for our good start is meant to be a rebuttal to Hoyne proves they either didn't listen to what he was saying or don't understand it.

7-0 start was with -3, -9, -14, -9, +7, 0, -6.
We won the clearances once in a 7-0 start and that was against north ffs.

We got off to a good start by being above AFL average for pressure, which Hoyne noted is hard to maintain for 24 weeks.

His contention therefore was that Hardie was in good form, near on leading the VFL for score involvements, doing well in clearance so we should pick him and not go back to two players who have failed to help us in clearance. He's is arguing it would behoove us to get better at clearance and not need rely on having to be above average for pressure to compete.

Tl;dr version. Doing the same thing over and over won't net different results. Try something different, or in this case someone different.

As a result this constitutes poor analysis by two usually astute contributors here.

Even if it only succeeds in putting a rocket a few it will be a worthwhile exercise.

 

[Tony Barber]

I see that this game has already occurred (as implied by the thread title)
Can someone point me to the results so I can go back to the future and bet on it?

 

[standupand]

I see that this game has already occurred (as implied by the thread title)
Can someone point me to the results so I can go back to the future and bet on it?

The what now?

 

[Strange Cat]

I see that this game has already occurred (as implied by the thread title)
Can someone point me to the results so I can go back to the future and bet on it?

Que?