Analysis Rolling All-Australian team for 2021

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Where does Jack Darling fit in here must be close ?

 

[eaglespremiers]

B: Lever Andrews Stewart
HB: Dale Weitering Salem
C: Clug Bont Dunca
HF: Darling Tex Dusty
F: Greene McKay Tippa
R: Hickey Mundy Libba

I/C: Gawn Oliver <your two favourite inside mids>

obviously they won’t pick two actual wingers but guys like Amon and Langdon wouldn’t be too far off if they did. May not far off

If they pick two rucks he’s on the bench.

I'm not sure where the argument from Hickey stems from.
Sure, he's playing out of his skin but statistically there's no compelling reason for him to be in the conversation.
He's ranked 12th in the comp for hit-outs to advantage, he wins the ruck 35% of the time (17th of the top 20 ruckmen), his hit-out to advantage ratio is 28.7%, he's had 4 contested marks for the year and been responsible for 20 score launches. These are all average to below average for a no 1 ruckman. The only statistics that he stacks up well in is clearances (50 for the year) and goals (6 for the year).

Compared to Naitanui he's had half as many hit-outs to advantage (101 vs 50), half as many contested marks (8 vs 4), which is something that Naitanui is derided for, less clearances (60 vs 51), less score launches (35 vs 20), he wins less ruck contests (52.5% vs 34.9%) and has a lower hit-out to advantage percentage (40.6% vs 28.7%). The only argument he has is goals scored (6 vs 0) but that is a pretty uncompelling argument for a ruckman. He has even spent considerably more time on ground than Naitanui for his lesser stats.

I know that you might say that Hickey's impact belies the statistics, and that may be true to an extent, but it is equally true regarding Naitanui (if not more) and he at least has a statistical case for selection. Out of all the top ruckmen this year Naitanui is no 1 for clearances, no 1 for score launches, no 1 for hit-out to advantage percentage rate, no 2 for contested possessions, no 3 for total hits-outs to advantage and 9th for contested marks. I honestly think there's a pretty compelling case to select him over Gawn as first ruck.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I'm not sure where the argument from Hickey stems from.
Sure, he's playing out of his skin but statistically there's no compelling reason for him to be in the conversation.
He's ranked 12th in the comp for hit-outs to advantage, he wins the ruck 35% of the time (17th of the top 20 ruckmen), his hit-out to advantage ratio is 28.7%, he's had 4 contested marks for the year and been responsible for 20 score launches. These are all average to below average for a no 1 ruckman. The only statistics that he stacks up well in is clearances (50 for the year) and goals (6 for the year).

Compared to Naitanui he's had half as many hit-outs to advantage (101 vs 50), half as many contested marks (8 vs 4), which is something that Naitanui is derided for, less clearances (60 vs 51), less score launches (35 vs 20), he wins less ruck contests (52.5% vs 34.9%) and has a lower hit-out to advantage percentage (40.6% vs 28.7%). The only argument he has is goals scored (6 vs 0) but that is a pretty uncompelling argument for a ruckman. He has even spent considerably more time on ground than Naitanui for his lesser stats.

I know that you might say that Hickey's impact belies the statistics, and that may be true to an extent, but it is equally true regarding Naitanui (if not more) and he at least has a statistical case for selection. Out of all the top ruckmen this year Naitanui is no 1 for clearances, no 1 for score launches, no 1 for hit-out to advantage percentage rate, no 2 for contested possessions, no 3 for total hits-outs to advantage and 9th for contested marks. I honestly think there's a pretty compelling case to select him over Gawn as first ruck.

I just think Hickey is the best ruck in it, not worried about stats. Happy for NN to be ahead of Gawn, Max is far from his best this year

 

[jc12]

If you think Dusty is so highly rated only because of his midfield work, I don't know what to tell you. Judging by your comments in this thread, you're not worth trying to convince because no reasonable debate is possible with you

um again, there are many DIFFERENT types of mids, mids arent just inside stat padders mate, dusty is a mid-fwd hybrid, hence he is a mid/fwd and can be placed in those positions and impact

and yes his midfield work is elite along with his fwd work, thats why he is the best in the comp, common sense , he isnt some one trick pony, he has multiple tools in his arsenal which is why he is so good

 

[jc12]

do you realise that the AA isn't a lifetime achievement award and spots are given to the players who best performed for that particular season? Sure, Dusty is the best in the comp but he hasn't performed the best so far this season which is why he isn't being included in many teams

mate, he is in the AA team atm as we speak,probably already has 10 brownlow votes up to this point to whilst ave a goal a game and helping his team win multiple games, unlike players like guthrie , you actually notice when dusty gets the ball and he actually changes the game for the better for his team

and yes he is in the best performed for this season so far, get the salt out of your tears LOL

 

[jc12]

FB Stewart Grimes Lever
HB Salem Weitering Short
H Mcclug Mundy C Guthrie
HF S Bolton J Darling Dusty
F Tippa H Mackay T Greene
R M Gawn Bont Macrae
Int T Nank Fyfe Oliver Mills

 

[Wojcinski]

mate, he is in the AA team atm as we speak,probably already has 10 brownlow votes up to this point to whilst ave a goal a game and helping his team win multiple games, unlike players like guthrie , you actually notice when dusty gets the ball and he actually changes the game for the better for his team

and yes he is in the best performed for this season so far, get the salt out of your tears LOL

Ah so you're a nuffy, never mind then

 

[jc12]

Ah so you're a nuffy, never mind then

Lol you don't think dusty is in the AA team as we speak you must of taken that grand final loss hard. Too much salt ain't good for you

 

[LeverPuller]

Lol you don't think dusty is in the AA team as we speak you must of taken that grand final loss hard. Too much salt ain't good for you

I mean I don’t think he’s there yet but that’s pretty much only because he missed a couple. I think he will be there at season end.

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

Papley kicked one goal when his team scored 125 points? unless you are happy with that output from your leading goal kicker.

To go with 15 possessions and 9 score involvements. Yeah, I'd take that.

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

Haven’t read this thread but is the vibe of it still ‘5 players from my team that I like and are having above average years should be in despite currently being ranked in the bottom half of the ladder.’?

Yep, and zero Swans

 

[PhatBoy]

Hawkins would be lucky to be in the AA thirds team, he is no where near the AA team this year

He’s actually playing very good footy but agree with the sentiment.

 

[KissKiss]

Fun exercise: if the AA team was picked based on team balance and actual positional needs.

B: Noah Answerth (SD1) - Steven May (KPD1) - Aliir Allir (KPD3)
HB: Tom Stewart (MD1) - Jacob Weitering (KPD2) - Christian Salem (SD1)
C: Hugh McCluggage (OM1) - Marcus Bontempelli (IM1) - Karl Amon (OM2)
HF: Joe Daniher (R/F1) - Jack Darling (KPF2) - Shai Bolton (SF3)
F: Toby Greene (SF1) - Harry McKay (KPF1) - Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (SF2)
R: Max Gawn (R1) - David Mundy (IM2) - Clayton Oliver (IM3)
I/C: Bailey Dale (MD2) - Cam Guthrie (IM4) - Zach Merrett (OM3) - Kysaiah Pickett (SF4)

You do know that Answerth is injured and hasn't played a game yet this year?

 

[scoman]

Fun exercise: if the AA team was picked based on team balance and actual positional needs.

B: Noah Answerth (SD1) - Steven May (KPD1) - Aliir Allir (KPD3)
HB: Tom Stewart (MD1) - Jacob Weitering (KPD2) - Christian Salem (SD1)
C: Hugh McCluggage (OM1) - Marcus Bontempelli (IM1) - Karl Amon (OM2)
HF: Joe Daniher (R/F1) - Jack Darling (KPF2) - Shai Bolton (SF3)
F: Toby Greene (SF1) - Harry McKay (KPF1) - Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (SF2)
R: Max Gawn (R1) - David Mundy (IM2) - Clayton Oliver (IM3)
I/C: Bailey Dale (MD2) - Cam Guthrie (IM4) - Zach Merrett (OM3) - Kysaiah Pickett (SF4)

As mentioned above its Starcevich from Brisbane who is having the great year as a small defender. Although there are a few on our board who like Answerth so much they rant and rave when he isn't selected despite being injured. So maybe being named as AA isn't too much of a stretch......

 

[scoman]

B: Lever Andrews Stewart
HB: Dale Weitering Salem
C: Clug Bont Dunca
HF: Darling Tex Dusty
F: Greene McKay Tippa
R: Hickey Mundy Libba

I/C: Gawn Oliver <your two favourite inside mids>

obviously they won’t pick two actual wingers but guys like Amon and Langdon wouldn’t be too far off if they did. May not far off

Not sure if I understand the final part of your post correctly, but just wanted to point out that Clugga is still being played primarily on the wing. Is only attending a half dozen of centre bounces most weeks. Might be up slightly on last year but still largely on the wing. He generally takes the skinny side where the play is leaving the fat side (defensive role) to Robbo or Prior. This means he does get quite a bit more action and is able to influence the game. He led the team in distance covered last year. I would imagine he wouldn't be far away again. Hopefully he keeps his form up and he makes the side and we might have a genuine wingman in the side for once.

 

[Ambrosia]

Essendon like to chip the ball around but Hind averaging 17 kicks a game is hard to ignore when you consider he doesn’t take kick outs.

Hind also averaging ~4 inside 50s a game which puts him as top 3 in the league for defenders.

He’s been excellent defensively as well. Gave Walters a bath against Freo

 

[00Stinger]

Out of all the top ruckmen this year Naitanui is no 1 for clearances, no 1 for score launches, no 1 for hit-out to advantage percentage rate, no 2 for contested possessions, no 3 for total hits-outs to advantage and 9th for contested marks. I honestly think there's a pretty compelling case to select him over Gawn as first ruck.

If you think Nik Nat is the starting AA ruck over Gawn this year then I am sorry but you have no ****ing clue

 

[00Stinger]

I just think Hickey is the best ruck in it, not worried about stats. Happy for NN to be ahead of Gawn, Max is far from his best this year

Yeah Gawn is having a shit year

3rd in the coaches votes and literally top 5 in every media voting system

If anything he is a victim of his own success

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Yeah Gawn is having a sh*t year

3rd in the coaches votes and literally top 5 in every media voting system

If anything he is a victim of his own success

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I just said he’s far from his best, I didn’t say he’s shit. I put him on the bench in my side.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Alir May Stewart
Salem Weitering Rich
Mcluggage Bont Macrae
Greene McKay Bolton
Daniher McDonald Tippa
Gawn Guthrie Lyons
Oliver Mundy Nank Dale

 

[jc12]

I mean I don’t think he’s there yet but that’s pretty much only because he missed a couple. I think he will be there at season end.

Despite the concussion game and one week missed , he is still there easy

 

[KissKiss]

Alir May Stewart
Salem Weitering Rich
Mcluggage Bont Macrae
Greene McKay Bolton
Daniher McDonald Tippa
Gawn Guthrie Lyons
Oliver Mundy Nank Dale

Surprised to see Danniher in there. He has been decent as a Forward/Ruck (have their been anyone better this year? I have no idea on others in that role) but with both Gawn and Nank I dont think you can justify him on his part ruck work

 

[Virgin Dog]

Fun exercise: if the AA team was picked based on team balance and actual positional needs.

B: Noah Answerth (SD1) - Steven May (KPD1) - Aliir Allir (KPD3)
HB: Tom Stewart (MD1) - Jacob Weitering (KPD2) - Christian Salem (SD1)
C: Hugh McCluggage (OM1) - Marcus Bontempelli (IM1) - Karl Amon (OM2)
HF: Joe Daniher (R/F1) - Jack Darling (KPF2) - Shai Bolton (SF3)
F: Toby Greene (SF1) - Harry McKay (KPF1) - Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (SF2)
R: Max Gawn (R1) - David Mundy (IM2) - Clayton Oliver (IM3)
I/C: Bailey Dale (MD2) - Cam Guthrie (IM4) - Zach Merrett (OM3) - Kysaiah Pickett (SF4)

It's a pretty good selection of players, with only Daniher and Answerth standing out as unrealistic picks. If wanting to select a Key Forward who can ruck, both Bruce and Hawkins spend some time in the ruck and have outperformed Daniher up forward. I know it may come across as biased, but I'd also have Bruce ahead of Darling at this stage, although there's not a huge amount separating them.

Also for the inside mid spots, there's a few guys who are likely selected ahead of Mundy and Guthrie at this stage, but both would be well in contention.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I know it may come across as biased, but I'd also have Bruce ahead of Darling at this stage, although there's not a huge amount separating them.

Apart from the 10 goals against the North reserves what's he done? Surely he's not even close.

 

[mattwa]

Apart from the 10 goals against the North reserves what's he done? Surely he's not even close.

I am a doggies fan and Bruce isnt in the team. Naughton is having a better year than Bruce. I think the complete reversal in Bruces form has his season somewhat overrated (he has been fantastic but not AA fantastic)