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Why not go and watch the 2008 GF to see how a Grand Final should be played..... oh wait.
Rushed behind after rushed behind.
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Ross Lyon is synonymous with Ugly football
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Rushed behind after rushed behind.
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So you're suggesting that's due to gameplan induced fatigue?
- Well 09 was a wet weather game from memory, that was always going to be a hard slog.
- This year our players were terrible in front of goal and should have kicked a far bigger score.
- Collingwood weren't exactly an easy team to score against in '10. In their other two finals they only conceded 62 and 79 points against the Dogs and Cats, two free-flowing, high scoring teams.
- The replay that year is the only game that really fits this theory, but that could have easily been a mental let down from the underdog team after working so hard to nearly snatch a win in the first week only to fall agonisingly short. Collingwood were easily the best team that year and most people expected them to easily account for the Saints the first time around, so it's a bit disingenuous to act like Lyon's gameplan cost the Saints the flag that year.
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The Saints teams he coached to grand finals hardly had the best list on paper either out of the contenders at the time, he did some pretty great things with St Kilda considering they carried a fair few average players at the lower end of their 22. I would doubt that most supporters would be unhappy with Lyon as their coach.
Why not go and watch the 2008 GF to see how a Grand Final should be played..... oh wait.
2008 - Only premiers to force the AFL to make a rule change. Obviously not how the Grand Final should be played.
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Even an academic has bought into the debate:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-games-turned-ugly--and-i-wouldnt-be-lyon-20130926-2ugy2.html#ixzz2g3zKxiR5
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-games-turned-ugly--and-i-wouldnt-be-lyon-20130926-2ugy2.html#ixzz2g3zKxiR5
Let him play that way. It's better for the team that plays against them
Article written by a pencil neck dork that supports Geelong, lol.
Sssh... Wrote a book once, apparently. That makes him an academic.
A guy with the same opinion, follows the same team, and he wrote a book! And an article! In a real newspaper! (or what passes for an article, these days)
SStew probable left a little stain in his pants, reading that.
I left a little stain on the floor. lucky I didn't have a large lunch.
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Wow! Just wow. No wonder you're still described as a debutante after 838 posts.
It's a deal then, we'll keep Ross Lyon and as we bury most of your sides again next year you guys keep whinging about him. We all get what we want then. 
It's a deal then, we'll keep Ross Lyon and as we bury most of your sides again next year you guys keep whinging about him. We all get what we want then.
So I take it you don't want to win a grand final?
Can you please expand on this theory?
Academic? Or sore loser Geelong supporter?
No evidence, no solid arguments. Just invective and feeble attempts at guilt by association. If it was a Fremantle supporter peddling crap like this, I'd be telling him to shut up.
Really, don't put this crap up to bolster a throughly baseless argument
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Once you are hated by your opposition supporters, it generally means you are respected, feared even.
I can live with that
I can live with that
The Hawks are the most attacking team in the AFL, they score the most, that's exciting.
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That's a disappointing article from an academic perspective, as I can think of tonnes of empirical reasons why Lyon's gameplan will continue to break-down regardless of personnel (Fremantle people, I don't think Harvey was the answer here either).
Put simply, just as Geelong's rebound-based gameplan broke down, Fremantle's rolling press (I refuse to call it a forward press because Lyon's players are too precise and fit to let it break down once it gets into his team's forward half) breaks down because the emphasis or dependence will always be on finding a way for the opposition to lose the ball so you can get it, rather than seeking a plan for when you win the ball (This is why the forward press is brilliant, it's a negative tactic that relies on your team's ability to win the ball back after already creating an advantageous position for yourself and generate a winning score).
By my logic, if you're too busy trying to stop the other team from winning, eventually you're going to get caught out when you're not winning the game yourself.
Those tactics I've described only work when you're in a winning position or in a standard contest environment; under the intensity of finals football where everyone's trying to win the ball first; it'll never stand up because those game-plans will always be cut by the need to be first to the ball.
Put simply, just as Geelong's rebound-based gameplan broke down, Fremantle's rolling press (I refuse to call it a forward press because Lyon's players are too precise and fit to let it break down once it gets into his team's forward half) breaks down because the emphasis or dependence will always be on finding a way for the opposition to lose the ball so you can get it, rather than seeking a plan for when you win the ball (This is why the forward press is brilliant, it's a negative tactic that relies on your team's ability to win the ball back after already creating an advantageous position for yourself and generate a winning score).
By my logic, if you're too busy trying to stop the other team from winning, eventually you're going to get caught out when you're not winning the game yourself.
Those tactics I've described only work when you're in a winning position or in a standard contest environment; under the intensity of finals football where everyone's trying to win the ball first; it'll never stand up because those game-plans will always be cut by the need to be first to the ball.
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Ross Lyon coaches the "beautiful" game. You know, the one where neither team scores a goal for 90 minutes and people start trying to burn the stadium down or punch anyone within arms length
Sounds bad, not as bad as having to follow st kilda though.
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