Could you seriously work under ross lyon?...for a second time!
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Could you seriously work under ross lyon?...for a second time!
I don't think anything changed except the opposition. The Pies played extra numbers in the midfield/back, they played 4 forwards. Granted we had awful turnovers, fumbling, missed tackles and a lack of run but honestly I think the Pies tactics won the game for them. After playing so poorly at times we were actually a chance to win the game!
You can't say 'something changed' without saying what it is. You watched the game right? A young side like we have is going to have ups and downs in form while we have some tired older players who are doing a load of work to prop up the young guns.
Oh and we had Sandilands against Melbourne.
Yeah but hes shit hahaAnthony Rock says hi.
I also know what I saw last week was alarmingly reminiscent of the awful boring crap we've been dishing up since 13. I accept they were trying to attack through the corridor and there were skill errors and they were tired but what I saw at the MCG against Melbourne was some of the best footy our lot have played and last week was nothing like it. Where were the players queuing up to receive and create?
McCarthy and Kersten who looked like match winners against Melbourne were completely missing and void of confidence. Hughes looked shellshocked. Mundy and Hill look nothing like they did earlier in the year.
Something changed & it worries me, thats all. I hope I'm wrong. You guys all queued up to tell I was being alarmist when I saw the writing on the wall half way through 2015.
Care to describe why you say this??Yeah but hes shit haha
Care to describe why you say this??
Care to describe why you say this??
Hear, hear! IMO Lyon also is a poor man manager. He misses that players can go up and down in output. What is required is 100% output from the team to win, everyone knows that. But within that players will fluctuate in their output/effort. Ross can't read this. Someone like Alex Ferguson can. He sometimes does it without knowing. Walters into the midfield rejuvenated a stagnate player. The he kicks 3 in the forward line. The other side is the persistence with Suban/Mayne for years. WTF?? Great effort players but what of the teams output? The tide goes in and out. You don't sail close to shore when the tide is out, even if its the path that you took last week. Small changes have big impacts and this is a major weakness.its not difficult. By adopting a gameplan based on effort over skill i.e. having forwards who prioritise tackling over scoring he gets amazing results and the players buy into this gameplan. When it stops working because the players are tired i.e after losing the 2013 GF the team effort drops off and we are left with a boring mediocre footy team.
For a few rounds after we brought the new players in this year they looked like they were running above the ground. All of a sudden players were running in waves through the corridor and creating exciting changes of play.
For whatever reason last week looked like the old style and suddenly we had no one to kick to and no one who looked like they wanted the ball again.
I know Lyon is a very good coach. I know he can only coach the players he has and are drafting has been average and we've had some terrible luck with high picks.
I know what I'm saying is simplistic and isn't the full picture.
I also know what I saw last week was alarmingly reminiscent of the awful boring crap we've been dishing up since 13. I accept they were trying to attack through the corridor and there were skill errors and they were tired but what I saw at the MCG against Melbourne was some of the best footy our lot have played and last week was nothing like it. Where were the players queuing up to receive and create?
McCarthy and Kersten who looked like match winners against Melbourne were completely missing and void of confidence. Hughes looked shellshocked. Mundy and Hill look nothing like they did earlier in the year.
Something changed & it worries me, thats all. I hope I'm wrong. You guys all queued up to tell I was being alarmist when I saw the writing on the wall half way through 2015.
For the record I fully support Ross Lyon being in charge of this rebuild. I just didn't like what I saw last week. Would like to see Logue and Balic back as soon as possible. They seemed to bring some energy beyond what their basic contributions would account for.
I thought I did say what it is. Against Melbourne the players looked liked they wanted the ball, they wanted to take the game on, Kersten was running up the wing tacking contested marks, Hughes played with poise, Mundy was brilliant up forward, Neale was unstoppable.You can't say 'something changed' without saying what it is.
I thought I did say what it is. Against Melbourne the players looked liked they wanted the ball, they wanted to take the game on, Kersten was running up the wing tacking contested marks, Hughes played with poise, Mundy was brilliant up forward, Neale was unstoppable.
Mainly they were running together, creating chains of handball and moving the ball fluently. Last week we were back to looking like the other team had more players out there as there was no one wanting the ball. It looked uninspired mainly.
I don't know why but that is what changed in my eyes.
That went teenage rapidly.Yeah but hes shit haha
I remember years ago Dennis Cometti saying teams that are on the way down and teams that are on the way up first become inconsistent.I thought I did say what it is. Against Melbourne the players looked liked they wanted the ball, they wanted to take the game on, Kersten was running up the wing tacking contested marks, Hughes played with poise, Mundy was brilliant up forward, Neale was unstoppable.
Mainly they were running together, creating chains of handball and moving the ball fluently. Last week we were back to looking like the other team had more players out there as there was no one wanting the ball. It looked uninspired mainly.
I don't know why but that is what changed in my eyes.
Bang on ,I remember years ago Dennis Cometti saying teams that are on the way down and teams that are on the way up first become inconsistent.
I think we were on the way down in the second half of 2015, and I think we hit rock bottom last year.
This year it seems we are on the way back up, but it will not be a linear rise. We have a younger side, and they will wilt under intense pressure from time to time. Our mature players are having to take up some of the slack while the kids learn the ropes. We have guys returning from long terms out of the game who will tire. We have players with injuries or illness from week to week, and with such a "new" list these probably hurt us more than they should.
The one thing I can guarantee is that the coach is not telling them to "go back to the old style" which some here seem to suggest every time we play badly.
This year is a huge advance on last year, but let's not kid ourselves - we still have some massive holes in our list. We have addressed some of them, and will address some more when injuries allow and with our drafting and trading over the next couple of years.
Until then I'm going to enjoy the small wins when they come along and enjoy seeing the next crop develop at Peel.
I thought I did say what it is. Against Melbourne the players looked liked they wanted the ball, they wanted to take the game on, Kersten was running up the wing tacking contested marks, Hughes played with poise, Mundy was brilliant up forward, Neale was unstoppable.
Mainly they were running together, creating chains of handball and moving the ball fluently. Last week we were back to looking like the other team had more players out there as there was no one wanting the ball. It looked uninspired mainly.
I don't know why but that is what changed in my eyes.
After a couple of games of the fast ball movement play on style the opposition worked on closing our space, stopping our run and once effecting the turnover they know how to counterpunch. It's been obvious since the Kangaroos game and was blindingly obvious on Sunday. We've got away with a few wins (somewhat luckily) despite this. The lack of a plan B from the coaching team is the real issue.
That went teenage rapidly.
I thought I did say what it is. Against Melbourne the players looked liked they wanted the ball, they wanted to take the game on, Kersten was running up the wing tacking contested marks, Hughes played with poise, Mundy was brilliant up forward, Neale was unstoppable.
Mainly they were running together, creating chains of handball and moving the ball fluently. Last week we were back to looking like the other team had more players out there as there was no one wanting the ball. It looked uninspired mainly.
I don't know why but that is what changed in my eyes.
Both teams had 61 turn overs. Some might argue our turnovers had more of an impact but I remember seeing some stats on the replay showing that Collingwood didn't score that much from turnovers, most of their scores (and all of them early on) were from stoppages.So in my book that game was very winnable. No pitchforks required. Yes we got burned on turnovers (can't find the stats to prove it). And when we won the centre taps we scored constantly (particularly in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs) but losing the hitouts 28-45 meant that that was always going to be down on our normal numbers.
I'd start by playing Bhilly on one wing and Crozier on the otherIt's pretty obvious that some of us on here would make far better coaches than Lyon.
He should just step down and give us a crack.
Boo... Croz at half back, Weller on the wingI'd start by playing Bhilly on one wing and Crozier on the other
(broken record )
To me the most contemporary coach right now is Beverage, who nurtures players to their strengths and who can change the game plan within a game.
Fyfe into the ruck - pronto.It's pretty obvious that some of us on here would make far better coaches than Lyon.
He should just step down and give us a crack.
Yeah..That kinda works tooBoo... Croz at half back, Weller on the wing