List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

[dont bowl there]

OMG, I thought this thread was peak greatness then along comes someone who actually thinks we are tanking! Not just tanking since the Eagles game, or even the Hawks game. But no, we have been tanking since the Melbourne game! When we were still a huge chance at finals hosting one of the worst teams of the last 25 years at home.

Wow

 

[stormee]

Ideally Mundy, Walters will move the ball by foot quickly to a loose target. I am wondering if Barra has a numbing needle in his ankle though, his kicking has fallen apart.

You literally have every excuse under the sun! How about: Ross just ain’t that good, he’s playing players out of position (who knows why) and he may have lost the players..

 

[Taylor]

he’s playing players out of position

What was this called when Melbourne did it? When Carlton pushed Curnow forward so the younger players can leave it up to Cripps in the middle?

The biggest issue regarding options for player positioning in my opinion is that we defensively position our ruckmen during transition. He sits in a spot that lets him run to try and block their kick up the ground rather than being an option ahead of the ball.

 

[dont bowl there]

Ideally Mundy, Walters will move the ball by foot quickly to a loose target. I am wondering if Barra has a numbing needle in his ankle though, his kicking has fallen apart.

I believe thats called age.

 

[Demons09]

I believe thats called age.

Yes i reckon you may be right there, it catches up with you quickly should be playing hff with occasional stints in the middle.

 

[kingswood71]

he may have lost the players..

If he has lost them, I am available to help him look for them. We can form a search party and alert the SES!!

 

[CapitalA]

I dont think Ross can afford to tank in any way, shape or form.

Unless he was told to by the ceo/board members.
Then he would have some immunity and perhaps why he would have such confidence in guarantee that he will be here next year.

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[malpaso]

If you look at where we sit at the moment and our needs going forward the only direction I can see is to get the best draft pick possible whether that's to use the pick or for trade currency.
Next year we need to be able to play Fyfe & Mundy rotating in the forward line and less Walters in the midfield.
Making the finals this year will do nothing for us although fantastic from a supporter's standpoint.

Where did Brisbane finish last year?

 

[dont bowl there]

Unless he was told to by the ceo/board members.
Then he would have some immunity and perhaps why he would have such confidence in guarantee that he will be here next year.

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We are not tanking.

 

[Bringbacktheeighties]

I've said before that the way the AFL works is that if you're not in the finals it's in your best interests to finish as low as possible. Ninth and eighteenth are just as equally not succeeding but one of them gets access to significantly better talent options.

We left the Collingwood game well placed on the ladder, but but lost our AA CHB and Lobb requiring us to play our junior ruckman. Thankfully we didn't lose anyone that next game. Then we lost our last remaining key forward against Melbourne.

I can see a scenario where our coaching has decided that we can't rely on a single focal point forward now so quick and unpredictable ball movement out of the bounce will let us hit our smalls hopefully playing in front, so they are playing all four bounce players hunting the ball.

We used Tabs and Hogan to take marks up the ground in our best wins this season, now we can't.

That's an interesting observation...
Do you think that Ross has designed this outcome for the last two or three years as part of the rebuild plan? That is.. a deliberate strategy put to the board that is we know we wont be in a position to challenge for a flag until 2020 minimum, so we should tank once we can see its not going to be our year and pick up the best draft picks we can??
Is it a rebuild strategy or just a one off this year?
Hard to believe this could happen but then Ross is extremely confident with his position at the club and always talks as though things aren't that bad and it's just effort. Might explain why he refuses to move players to positions where we might get a better result.
Still hard to believe it though. Not sure what to make of it.

 

[awaremind]

Way to lose existing players though, i wouldnt want to mess with my career like thst plus it mskes us less attractive as a destination club

 

[malpaso]

That's an interesting observation...
Do you think that Ross has designed this outcome for the last two or three years as part of the rebuild plan? That is.. a deliberate strategy put to the board that is we know we wont be in a position to challenge for a flag until 2020 minimum, so we should tank once we can see its not going to be our year and pick up the best draft picks we can??
Is it a rebuild strategy or just a one off this year?
Hard to believe this could happen but then Ross is extremely confident with his position at the club and always talks as though things aren't that bad and it's just effort. Might explain why he refuses to move players to positions where we might get a better result.
Still hard to believe it though. Not sure what to make of it.

If you look at Cerra as an example, I believe that he has things to learn defensively on top of getting fitter and that's why he has been moved around so much. I'd fully expect him to be in the midfield next year.
Logue will be back in this week, I think he got dropped for specific reasons even though we could have used him against the Hawks.
Our injuries have also meant we have to juggle players around.
I'm in the finish as low as we can camp..

 

[malpaso]

Way to lose existing players though, i wouldnt want to mess with my career like thst plus it mskes us less attractive as a destination club

It's a process and many clubs do it (some are really bad at it). I don't think players are affected by it at all and we've never been a destination club anyway.

 

[malpaso]

Alan Richardson leaving the Saints. I think he would be one to look at as a Senior Assistant Coach for next year, lots of experience and was a highly rated assistant coach prior to joining the Saints. Hasn't had a lot of luck at the Saints either..

 

[Rion]

Tanking in the AFL is just plain dumb. You spend the entire year doing harm to your players development all to be rewarded with a relatively small chance at a better player from the draft. Think of all the effort it took us to get 2 & 5 in 2017 only for Geelong to trump us in that draft by nabbing Kelly with a pick in the 20's. Even when you get lucky and hit on a player that individual is only 1 of 22.

I'd like to think it's all a plan but I reckon you're dreaming. Guys like Cerra, Brayshaw and Blakely generally aren't going to improve their midfield craft playing forward/back. Pretty much every other club in the AFL recognizes that. It's not like we're even playing a lot of youth atm either. If we truly were just looking to the future this season it makes you even more confused why a guy like Colyer is getting games.

 

[malpaso]

Tanking in the AFL is just plain dumb. You spend the entire year doing harm to your players development all to be rewarded with a relatively small chance at a better player from the draft. Think of all the effort it took us to get 2 & 5 in 2017 only for Geelong to trump us in that draft by nabbing Kelly with a pick in the 20's. Even when you get lucky and hit on a player that individual is only 1 of 22.

I'd like to think it's all a plan but I reckon you're dreaming. Guys like Cerra, Brayshaw and Blakely generally aren't going to improve their midfield craft playing forward/back. Pretty much every other club in the AFL recognizes that. It's not like we're even playing a lot of youth atm either. If we truly were just looking to the future this season it makes you even more confused why a guy like Colyer is getting games.

Your forgetting the fact that some young players are not ready to play their best position at AFL level for the first few years for several reasons. There is a development process, Mundy played half-back to start his career.. The rare ones are just 'ready to go'..

 

[dont bowl there]

What was this called when Melbourne did it? When Carlton pushed Curnow forward so the younger players can leave it up to Cripps in the middle?

Wait, are you trying to say Carlton were tanking earlier this year when they shifted Ed Curnow forward?

 

[raffrox]

So let me get this straight.

Anyone who wants Ross gone and is vocal about it has the cross hairs placed on them and are eventually told that they aren't a true supporter or that they are a sook or a whinge because we are not being positive about the club. That is despite the people wanting a coaching change being the majority.

Then some of those same individuals who have a crack (some more passive aggressively than others) seem fine with the idea they have concocted in their head that we are tanking?

And the "Ross is not the Boss" people are being negative and don't have the best interests of the club at heart?

What's going on?

My guess is that some people don't want to acknowledge that the club isn't on the right track no matter what. i.e. the coach is fine to stay and the current drop off is a calculated tanking strategy.

Please don't come at us 'negative types' about our desire for the club to do well again if people are willing to consider we are tanking when we were (and still are) a game or two outside the top 8.

 

[Taylor]

Wait, are you trying to say Carlton were tanking earlier this year when they shifted Ed Curnow forward?

Yes, that's exactly what they were doing.

 

[Leslie_Chow]

Yes, that's exactly what they were doing.

Makes complete sense, you know with not having access to that first pick and all

 

[Taylor]

Makes complete sense, you know with not having access to that first pick and all

I think both Carlton and Gold Coast were going to ask for priority picks ahead of the first round, as the Suns have already started the conversation for.

 

[kidstyler]

Fremantle can't tank properly

We'll just end up trading the pick for Bennell 2.0 or some magic beans

 

[dont bowl there]

Yes, that's exactly what they were doing.

Hahahahaha that is the best. As Cho said they don't even have their first pick and better yet the coach got the sack for losing too many games. Now the new coach is in Curnow is back in the middle. Unreal. You actually think Carlton were tanking at the start of the season.

 

[Nodgey]

Football is a religion and the blind faith on display here is truly remarkable.

 

[Taylor]

Football is a religion and the blind faith on display here is truly remarkable.

AFL football is a self serving, insular and corrupted system that's primary concern is the image of the game in the public eye and the value of the broadcast deals.