List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

[Nodgey]

Would that forward line work better with a mature key tall in it? One who isn't a ruckman? We haven't had that for weeks. We haven't won in that period either.

Nope. Nothing to do with injuries.

When Taberner stops leading his defender over to Hogan, or Cox makes a dummy lead to create some space, or when we stop having 3 blokes all go up at once, I'll start to have some confidence our forward line is working together as a team.

 

[Freoforever86]

Ross to St Kilda ? Spot is now open

Dal Santo has openly said he wants him (today in an interview)

90% of players he has coached love him. Except guys like Fisher who punishes us consistently when umpires us

 

[Joao]

I don't care if Ross is on track to be our first ever premiership coach, if we can make him go back to the Saints, we have to do it in the name of comedy.

Nah, the last straw would be us losing by 20 goals to the Swans. Ross falls on his sword. And then we appoint ... Richardson as head coach.

Now that would be the last straw

That's ****ing twisted dude.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

We needed at least another six wins to scrape into 7th or 8th. We needed to win same number of games as the first half of the year when we had Lobb, Pearce, (we still had Hogan) and Taberner while Fyfe, Walters, Matera and Brad Hill were having best ever years. I think it would be reasonable for the club to aim to win them but also to not expect as good a return missing such key players in key roles.

So am I happy with it? No. Would I understand the club trying out new things in the second half of the season and the result of that being we get beaten and end up at 5th last rather than 9th, yeah I'd understand.

Lobb missed what, 4 games?

Pearce, Hogan, Taberner, sure. Definite blows.

Fyfe, Walters, Matera, B. Hill - they're all still playing aren't they? What was stopping them from continuing their career best form?

Also Stephen Hill's back now, who wasn't there in the first half of the year.

Nice to know that injuries to 3 key players is all it takes to swing the mindset from finals, to full tank mode.

I'm not sure why West Coast didn't tank last year once Gaff, Naitanui and Sheppard were out. They would've gotten a better draft pick.

 

[Dale147]

Freo aren’t tanking, Gold Coast however?

 

[FreoRicci]

Lobb missed what, 4 games?

Pearce, Hogan, Taberner, sure. Definite blows.

Fyfe, Walters, Matera, B. Hill - they're all still playing aren't they? What was stopping them from continuing their career best form?

Also Stephen Hill's back now, who wasn't there in the first half of the year.

Nice to know that injuries to 3 key players is all it takes to swing the mindset from finals, to full tank mode.

I'm not sure why West Coast didn't tank last year once Gaff, Naitanui and Sheppard were out. They would've gotten a better draft pick.

Gaff, Sheppard and NicNat aren’t players that were huge blows. Sheppard and Gaff easily replaceable. Nicnat not more so. But that’s a poor argument to make tbh. Their spine more or less stayed together for the whole season. Nicnat was injured for a whole year then came back and got injured again.

If it was Kennedy, Darling and McGovern, then yes they would’ve done that route. That is essentially what we’ve loss.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Worpel is a ripper. He showed signs of being an Elite inside contested midfielder very early in his career ... Brayshaw and Cerra have not.

I'm not sure how good or what use we will get out of Brayshaw or Cerra, but neither of them are anywhere near the likes of Neale or Fyfe in terms of being quality inside midfielders. I've been seeing all the warning signs of this, but have been biting my tounge.

Crowden is a better contested ball winner than Brayshaw or Cerra. That is why he was given a game.

Worpel looks like a great pick by the Hawks and a poster boy for how list management is a lot more than just getting high picks.

I reckon Brayshaw will be a really good player. That's a qualitative rather than quantitative assessment. To me some of the late game cameos he has shown in the middle suggest that the fully mature Brayshaw will be able to get his hands dirty with the best of them. To me he will be a different type of inside midfielder than either Fyfe or Neale. Both of those guys play more as _offensive_ midfielders: great for winning the stoppage and driving the ball forwards but not quite as great when we don't have the ball.

I don't think Cerra is much of an inside midfielder at all. To me he looks much more like a first receiver, getting the ball on the outside of a stoppage and then delivering from there, trying to keep the possession chain going. But he is going through a particularly underwhelming period and I don't see what playing at HBF does for him and, most importantly, the club.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Gaff, Sheppard and NicNat aren’t players that were huge blows. Sheppard and Gaff easily replaceable. Nicnat not more so. But that’s a poor argument to make tbh. Their spine more or less stayed together for the whole season. Nicnat was injured for a whole year then came back and got injured again.

If it was Kennedy, Darling and McGovern, then yes they would’ve done that route. That is essentially what we’ve loss.

Laughable. They might not have won the flag, but they would've given it a red hot crack.

FWIW we're not tanking, we just aren't a good team and we don't have a good coach.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Freo aren’t tanking, Gold Coast however?

If Gold Coast went to tank, they'd win

 

[CapitalA]

Worpel is a ripper. He showed signs of being an Elite inside contested midfielder very early in his career ... Brayshaw and Cerra have not.

I'm not sure how good or what use we will get out of Brayshaw or Cerra, but neither of them are anywhere near the likes of Neale or Fyfe in terms of being quality inside midfielders. I've been seeing all the warning signs of this, but have been biting my tounge.

Crowden is a better contested ball winner than Brayshaw or Cerra. That is why he was given a game.

Disagree I think Brayshaw has shown plenty as a contested ball winner

 

[Taylor]

Lobb missed what, 4 games?

Pearce, Hogan, Taberner, sure. Definite blows.

Fyfe, Walters, Matera, B. Hill - they're all still playing aren't they? What was stopping them from continuing their career best form?

Also Stephen Hill's back now, who wasn't there in the first half of the year.

Nice to know that injuries to 3 key players is all it takes to swing the mindset from finals, to full tank mode.

I'm not sure why West Coast didn't tank last year once Gaff, Naitanui and Sheppard were out. They would've gotten a better draft pick.

It would be closer to Nic Nat, McGovern and Kennedy.. and Darling.

 

[MadEyeEmmy]

Not tanking fam, just shithouse

 

[Becky2Belts]

Is anyone being allowed to vote in the "Ïs Ross still the man for the job" poll?

I'd like to know how many Freo posters voted "yes" and "no" compared to votes cast by other club supporters please.

I think if you polled opposition supporters, they’d overwhelmingly want Ross to stay. Who would pass up an easy kill?

 

[BlueE]

I created the poll. Unfortunately I can't differentiate from opposition supporter and troll to genuine Freo supporter.

Thanks. Can a moderator chick that for us, just for interest and better analysis?

 

[Demons09]

Getting to Essendon levels in here during the drug scandal.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Thanks. Can a moderator chick that for us, just for interest and better analysis?

I'd be interested too

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Getting to Essendon levels in here during the drug scandal.

What drugs?

 

[Demons09]

What drugs?

No I’m talking about the fans delusional, tanking lol.

 

[malpaso]

I don't really understand how so many on here think we should be good at the moment and appease themselves with Ross sucks mantra.

We have a ONE MAN MIDFIELD.

Our spine is crippled. (KPF, RUCK, KPD).

We'd have to play out of our skin every game to win.

Until our young players get consistency in their game we aren't doing anything (Darcy, Brayshaw, Cerra, Cox, Sturt, Valente, Crowden, Bewley, Schultz, North?, Duman, Logue).

 

[Nothing]

I don't really understand how so many on here think we should be good at the moment and appease themselves with Ross sucks mantra.

We have a ONE MAN MIDFIELD.

Our spine is crippled. (KPF, RUCK, KPD).

We'd have to play out of our skin every game to win.

Until our young players get consistency in their game we aren't doing anything (Darcy, Brayshaw, Cerra, Cox, Sturt, Valente, Crowden, Bewley, Schultz, North?, Duman, Logue).

But I look at the team on paper and think we should win every game (with my purple tinted glasses on). Never mind those injuries, we should be able to cover them all. Other teams have a player out and they can cover him, why can't we ours?

When we don't win, someone needs to take the responsibility because the team I follow should win every game.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

A quick look at the voters and it looks like the majority are freo fans who have voted anyway. Be good to get 100% clarification, however

 

[PurpleEyes]

Disagree I think Brayshaw has shown plenty as a contested ball winner

I can see Brayshaw being a 200+ game player for Freo.
And for his age, under 20 years old, his contested possession stats are good, just not great.
The great inside midfielders often rack up 10+ Contested Possession in a game, even when they are 18 & 19 year olds.

Midway through last year I had a detailed look at all the quality inside mids in the AFL. The vast majority of them clearly show they are quality contested ball players with good Contested Possession stats early in their careers.
But, those early stats don't mean Brayshaw can't continue to improve and become an elite inside mid ... plenty have eg. Mundy.

 

[dockerfemme]

I don't really understand how so many on here think we should be good at the moment and appease themselves with Ross sucks mantra.

We have a ONE MAN MIDFIELD.

Our spine is crippled. (KPF, RUCK, KPD).

We'd have to play out of our skin every game to win.

Until our young players get consistency in their game we aren't doing anything (Darcy, Brayshaw, Cerra, Cox, Sturt, Valente, Crowden, Bewley, Schultz, North?, Duman, Logue).

I don't think we should be winning every game.

I do think we should have beaten Carlton, who were without Cripps and lost Charlie Curnow early. Our coaching panel have chosen to play Cerra on the hbf, and chose to leave Banfield in the forward line, rather than close down Mark Murphy, decisions that cost us the game IMHO.

I would have been accepting if we had kicked 11 goals 10 points, rather than 2 goals 19 points against the Eagles. Our coach refuses to coach skills.

We are a one man midfield because we have played Mundy and Sonny into the ground, while playing a natural inside mid (Blakely) on a hbf.

Our forward 50 entries are poor and have been for years. We have spent the vast majority of the last few years without a strong key forward and still have no method of entry other than bombing it to the hot spot.

I think Cerra and Cox are talented footballers who have gone backwards this year. This worries me.

These are some of the reasons I want a new coach.

 

[Freoforever86]

I don't think we should be winning every game.

I do think we should have beaten Carlton, who were without Cripps and lost Charlie Curnow early. Our coaching panel have chosen to play Cerra on the hbf, and chose to leave Banfield in the forward line, rather than close down Mark Murphy, decisions that cost us the game IMHO.

I would have been accepting if we had kicked 11 goals 10 points, rather than 2 goals 19 points against the Eagles. Our coach refuses to coach skills.

We are a one man midfield because we have played Mundy and Sonny into the ground, while playing a natural inside mid (Blakely) on a hbf.

Our forward 50 entries are poor and have been for years. We have spent the vast majority of the last few years without a strong key forward and still have no method of entry other than bombing it to the hot spot.

I think Cerra and Cox are talented footballers who have gone backwards this year. This worries me.

These are some of the reasons I want a new coach.

Blakely was on Murphy at the last stoppage before Murphy kicked the last goal. He got lost in traffic and set up boundary side at the stoppage. He played a fair bit of mid that day.

 

[dockerfemme]

Blakely was on Murphy at the last stoppage before Murphy kicked the last goal. He got lost in traffic and set up boundary side at the stoppage. He played a fair bit of mid that day.

I think he played midfield in the last quarter. I don't think throwing him into the midfield for a couple of quarters in a season is spreading the load, or giving him the development time.