List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

[jedi mind tricks]

There's 6 games to go you premature ejaculators

Do you think Freo are going to start winning

 

[Becky2Belts]

Do you think Freo are going to start winning

And even if we do, what’s the long term benefit of standing pat with our support staff?

Some people think the list is good, some people think it’s bad, some people think we are just brutally unlucky with injuries. Hypothetically, let’s say we close the season 6-0. What’s stopping our terrible injury record derailing 2020, when a 6-0 close to 2019 would suggest we’d be close to going for it next year?

What harm is there in doing a major support staff review/overhaul and starting it now? People are so afraid to rock the boat they’ll tolerate a crippled SHill and Jesse Hogan returning to running whilst in the midst of a career threatening injury, just because it’s their favourite club that signed off on it. Unreal.

 

[Dale147]

...and then they’ll sack the tea-lady and the boot studder.

And a couple of cobblers

 

[Fyfster]

And a couple of cobblers

If we do that who will do the cobbling?

 

[Dale147]

If we do that who will do the cobbling?

I’m sure there’s a lot of cobblers, or it could be a lot of cobblers.

 

[Becky2Belts]

Had a swing at the “all-under 50 club games” team. Nobody on this team had played 50 club games as at Rd 1, 2019.

It would be unfair to load up with rookies so I’ve included one first year player, Sydney Stack, who every club passed on multiple times this season before he was rookie listed by Richmond.

FB: N. Wilson, J. Lever, A. Saad
HB: J. Impey, A. Pearce, S. Stack
C: J. O’Meara, T. Kelly, D. Smith
HF: J. Worpel, J. Hogan, L. Ryan (WCE)
FF: C. Cameron, T. Lynch (RICH), J. Stephenson
R: R. Lobb, L. Neale, T. Mitchell
I/C: D. Shiel, B. Hill, J. Lyons, O. Allen

Obviously I left out a staggering number of players, including but not limited to J. Hamling, J. Roughead (Coll), S. Lycett, C. Wingard, M. McGovern, J. Polec, M. De Boer, B. Mihocek, W. Rioli, J. Melksham, W. Hoskin-Elliott.

That side would walk to a Premiership and none of them have played 50 games in their current jumper.

Would any club have the resources to build this team? No. But look at that lineup and tell me a team with five of those in their B22 (hi Freo) are somehow worse off than a team with players who’ve hit an arbitrary 50-club game mark. When our last two B+Fs, the reigning Brownlow medallist and the impending #1/#2 Brownlow pairing are all featured, maybe having hit a games played in one jumper milestone isn’t as telling as having talented players.

Also seeking clarity on whether the stat allows me to include Dane Beams and Gary Ablett or not, as they’ve obviously played 50+ with their current clubs but haven’t done so in the current stint. Is it just games played in the jumper that matters or is it games played in the current version of the team? Surely Beams spending four years in Brisbane then returning to the Pies is disruptive enough to count, yes?

 

[BlueE]

And if we don’t start now three other clubs will have hired coaches, most if not all the good assistants will be gone and we’ll have **** chance of finding new strength and conditioning staff.

For Ross Lyon to stay I’d say we need the following in the next month:
1. Look like we’ll win ten games and/or show the last month was a blimp not part of a worrying trend where we play s**t footy the season half of every year.
2. Re-sign Blakely, Tucker and few others.

If it is obvious this stuff won’t happen in two weeks time then it is time to get moving imo. Enough is enough.

Assistant coaches have to have their contracts renewed by 1st August, so we should know by 2 weeks if the club seriously wants to make some changes.

Tayl0r which assistants contracts are up for renewal this year?

 

[Taylor]

Assistant coaches have to have their contracts renewed by 1st August, so we should know by 2 weeks if the club seriously wants to make some changes.

Tayl0r which assistants contracts are up for renewal this year?

I'm not sure about that. We will know who won't be with us in 2020 by Wednesday the 31st.

 

[mightymouse75]

Ross. What is the plan this week. Just bomb onto Walter's head. If he being triple teamed ross ? Just bomb it campaigner .
Cerra, you are going to be a midfielder 1 day. So you play in defence. Wtf Ross? You heard me campaigner

 

[Nothing]

Had a swing at the “all-under 50 club games” team. Nobody on this team had played 50 club games as at Rd 1, 2019.

It would be unfair to load up with rookies so I’ve included one first year player, Sydney Stack, who every club passed on multiple times this season before he was rookie listed by Richmond.

FB: N. Wilson, J. Lever, A. Saad
HB: J. Impey, A. Pearce, S. Stack
C: J. O’Meara, T. Kelly, D. Smith
HF: J. Worpel, J. Hogan, L. Ryan (WCE)
FF: C. Cameron, T. Lynch (RICH), J. Stephenson
R: R. Lobb, L. Neale, T. Mitchell
I/C: D. Shiel, B. Hill, J. Lyons, O. Allen

Obviously I left out a staggering number of players, including but not limited to J. Hamling, J. Roughead (Coll), S. Lycett, C. Wingard, M. McGovern, J. Polec, M. De Boer, B. Mihocek, W. Rioli, J. Melksham, W. Hoskin-Elliott.

That side would walk to a Premiership and none of them have played 50 games in their current jumper.

Would any club have the resources to build this team? No. But look at that lineup and tell me a team with five of those in their B22 (hi Freo) are somehow worse off than a team with players who’ve hit an arbitrary 50-club game mark. When our last two B+Fs, the reigning Brownlow medallist and the impending #1/#2 Brownlow pairing are all featured, maybe having hit a games played in one jumper milestone isn’t as telling as having talented players.

Also seeking clarity on whether the stat allows me to include Dane Beams and Gary Ablett or not, as they’ve obviously played 50+ with their current clubs but haven’t done so in the current stint. Is it just games played in the jumper that matters or is it games played in the current version of the team? Surely Beams spending four years in Brisbane then returning to the Pies is disruptive enough to count, yes?

That team wouldn't win anything. At least 4 of the players aren't playing currently, conveniently 2 from Freo.

In my opinion it would struggle at the start of the season too. Look at the international rules teams for how important cohesion is. Often losing to amateurs.

If you don't like the arbitrary 50 game mark that's ok, but team cohesion is a very important part of pro sport. What time that cohesion takes to develop can be debated but it is clearly important.

 

[Steinfreo]

Anyone hear Rosich on the radio just before, **** hes a boring stuffed shirt. **** him off first. Thanks for sorting out the off field (was heading in a good direction prior to you already) but has no ****ing clue about on field matters and should quit immediately.

 

[BlueE]

I’m sure there’s a lot of cobblers, or it could be a lot of cobblers.

The collective noun for a group of cobblers is a ....

... "Drunkship" or a "Cutting" of Cobblers!

 

[AAACockburn]

"Drunkship"

Oh the rudderless drunkship fits the bill.
It is the Premiership of Fremantle

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Look at Buckly. He has JLo in his coaching staff. With good assistants the club improves.

JLo as our head coach is only 1 part. If he wants the job. Bell needs to scrap Ross's mate Rock anda few others and get some decent support staff. Ours are the pits.

 

[Randomizor]

We are going to be so good in just over a season, doesn't matter what style of game you play or really if they are any good. 50 games baby!!!!

You just watch, our average losing margin is gonna go waaaaaaay down!

 

[dominguez]

When I am deflated, I look at our list hoping there is light on the horizon.

At the moment, all I see is Darkness.

Our list was fine a month ago, we just lack depth.

 

[Dockers v Channel7West]

The Pitchfork shop in Collingwood could be sold out soon

 

[go_the_dockers]

Our list was fine a month ago, we just lack depth.

I am not sure it was.

A few a graders were carrying the load of many.

 

[Taylor]

I am not sure it was.

A few a graders were carrying the load of many.

That isn't uncommon in AFL.

Particularly if one of those A-graders is a contested mark. All those times kicking long become a kick inside fifty instead of a spoil, or worse, a mark against.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

That isn't uncommon in AFL.

Particularly if one of those A-graders is a contested mark. All those times kicking long become a kick inside fifty instead of a spoil, or worse, a mark against.

It's symptomatic of our team/list. Rely on too few to carry the load. We lose when they're injured or out of form.

 

[Taylor]

It's symptomatic of our team/list. Rely on too few to carry the load. We lose when they're injured or out of form.

So does Collingwood and Richmond.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

So does Collingwood and Richmond.

Their second tier players at most have the ability to influence a game on their day.

Can't remember a win where any of our second tier players have stepped up and been the difference.

Maybe Cerra in that Adelaide game last year. Matera in a couple of early games this year..

Too many nothing role players.

 

[Taylor]

Their second tier players at most have the ability to influence a game on their day.

Can't remember a win where any of our second tier players have stepped up and been the difference.

Maybe Cerra in that Adelaide game last year. Matera in a couple of early games this year..

Too many nothing role players.

Nyhuis and Hughes across half back did very well for us in a game, I believe it was Port. You could argue Walters won that game, but you don't win games of football by just kicking goals.

Sean Darcy imposed himself on that contest in the last quarter too allowing us to control traffic.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

Nyhuis and Hughes across half back did very well for us in a game, I believe it was Port. You could argue Walters won that game, but you don't win games of football by just kicking goals.

Sean Darcy imposed himself on that contest in the last quarter too allowing us to control traffic.

That one was a total team performance, but probably the example for that game was Luke Ryan, who stepped up and in the absence of Pearce.

 

[E Shed]

Had a swing at the “all-under 50 club games” team. Nobody on this team had played 50 club games as at Rd 1, 2019.

Great effort in your post but I think you are completely missing the point which is (I think) the cohesion that develops between a player group when they have all played together for those 50 games. The more players who hit that mark together the more familiar they become withe each other and better synergy develops in the team.
Its not really to do with individuals but the effect on the team.

For your exercise you could pick any 22 players in the whole comp and you would have a team of 0 players having played 50 games together (disregarding any that might have done so together at their own club). Obviously the better the players are the more likely they are going to be to win but they will still get better the longer they play together.
Its the old - a champion team will beat a team of champions more or less.

An interesting example of the principle might be, would the Hawks 3 peat team have beater a combined side from the rest of the comp that only had a couple of weeks to train together? I think they would.

Its actually not a bad stat as footy stats go but unfortunately I think we still have too many players on our list that won't make it to 50 games. They have to have the ability to start with. Watching Essendon last night, the class of some of their young guys is incredible.