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Ross Lyon - what a coach
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Are you really going to compare beating a lukewarm Hawks at Subi to knocking off the reigning premiers at the MCG after they'd been talked up all week as a genuine premiership threat? (a week when we were barely mentioned btw)
Lyon is right that it means little in the grand scheme of things - that's part of what makes him a much better coach than Harvey. You got the distinct feeling Harves was satisfied that our mission was accomplished after one finals win in 2010.
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Great coach but I reckon he's a pretty shitty bloke. Guess most people would say the same about Clarko. At the time I thought Freo made an ugly decision in getting rid of Harvey like that but ugly decisions can produce beautiful results. Lyon to Fremantle is one of them.
I still think Freo would have been as good this year under Harvey. They would have been much much different in playstyle, but Freo were getting somewhere - injuries just waylaid their year last year. However, thats pure speculation and the reality is that Lyon has done well for the club.
Both are elimination finals wins, they aren't the bees knees. Long way to go, but you're definitely moving in the right direction.
I'm just highlighting the fact that Fremantle's very average past perhaps magnifies just how good last night's result really was. Lyon handled the press conference excellently.
To be fair to Harvey, in 2010 that was a great outcome for a developing list. Freo were a massive surprise packet that year considering just how bad your 08/09 seasons were.
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You won't find too many Freo supporters who will agree. It's telling that most of the people sticking up for Harvey are opposition supporters.
That's because you didn't have to watch your team blow 3 qtr time leads times after time under his reign. I'd love to know what he said to the players in his address so I could bottle it and inject it into our opposition's water bottles every week.
You didn't have to watch your team look like world beaters at home one week and then play like 16 year old princesses who didn't want to damage their nails as soon as they flew out of Perth.
You didn't have to watch him play players out of position week after week. You didn't have to watch him play one of the best forwards in the league as an average midfielder because he didn't have any faith in the next generation of midfielders, or the ability to develop them. You didn't have to watch Mayne get dominated every week as a key forward when it was obvious he was a 3rd tall at best.
You didn't have to listen to him make excuse after excuse every week in the press conferences. You didn't have to watch our team respond to those excuses by playing like a team who thought that gave them an excuse to put in no effort every week.
Honestly, I'm getting sick of opposition supporters telling us how good Harvey was. It only seems to be supporters of clubs who have secure coaches too. I doubt any of you will be putting your money where your mouths are and campaigning to have Harvey appointed if your coach happens to be sacked.
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He's the best coach of the last 10 years. If he takes this Fremantle side to the ultimate, he'll be remembered as an all time great. Consistently gets the best out of any side he coaches and is a tactical mastermind. Criticise him all you want but he'll do something great very soon. Wait and see.
thought Lyon was downplaying it for the cameras to be honest (as he should have done too) and he would know that if he knows anything about ffc's history, yes its achieved nothing in the bigger finals picture but for freo it is a pretty significant win in the clubs history in delivering something thats eluded us for so long and hopefully holds the club in good stead for the future.
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If we are making baseless assumptions couldn't that go both ways? From what I have seen he actually seems like a decent bloke.
Are you serious?
People said they wouldn't take us seriously until we won in Melbourne, we've done that. Then they said we had to beat a good team in Melbourne, did that too. Now we've beaten the reigning premiers in Melbourne after most people didn't have us even making the 8 a couple months ago, please allow us to savour this small victory
I disagree, we'd often get blown away under Harvey and conceed goals in a burst, there was also agreement among Freo fans that he was quite a reactionary game day coach and his tactical moves (not least of which playing a bulked up 100kg Pav in the midfield and running him almost into the ground) were often confusing and ineffective.
Lyon has given us the hard-nosed defence we lacked under Harvey and instilled a genuine belief in the team, the team we fielded 2 years ago against you in the Semi wasn't all that disimilar to tonights team and we were demolished.
The team is still adapting to Lyon's game plan mind you, it's just taken much sooner than most expected. We'll be even more disciplined next year and wouldn't think we'd drop too many winnable games at home for a start, like Adelaide, Carlton and Essendon this year. It's a pretty reasonable expectation and it should see us top 4 next year IMO.
Next week will be fascinating, Adelaide is the only team that's beat us in 10 weeks.
I was serious about it being an amazing move and that previous coach's seem to have struggled to come to terms with the idea of him being a gun forward (for various reasons).
It seems like a simple enough move, but Pav has been massive this season and tonight was extremely impressive.
I'm not entirely sure though where Lyon should stand in terms of rating him, I would say the Saints and Freo lists that he's had have been very good. He is good, no question about that. I don't want to put all the success down to the list, but Harvey got Freo into the finals two years ago.
Having said that, he could have won two flags lol but yeah, general point was that it's great that Pav is doing well and kicking goals.
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So was Malcolm Blight.
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Would respect him above anyone if he didn't leave St Kilda in a hole.
Have to disagree with that, they are only 2 years after playing in a grand final and look like they are already on the way back up.
From the outside Ross Lyon looks to be the best coach in the league by some margin, he is a no nonsense guy and doesn't get intimidated/worry about anyone, it seems his teams end up playing that way too.
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But he just left them, and while the other teams were preparing for the next season, St Kilda were scrambling for a new coach.
Reckon last two weeks have been important for the club's history.
The finals victory at the MCG obviously but just as character forming was last week when Freo could have manufactured a result that enabled them to avoid travelling in the first week of finals.
That they didn't and instead played with integrity deserves respect
The finals victory at the MCG obviously but just as character forming was last week when Freo could have manufactured a result that enabled them to avoid travelling in the first week of finals.
That they didn't and instead played with integrity deserves respect
It's mainly because Ross went from East to West that it was a big deal. How is Mick Malthouse remembered in Victoria for leaving WestCoast to coach Collingwood with one year left on his contract? He largely left that team in pretty mediocre state as well.
Ross did what has been done dozens of times before.
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Yeah, I guess, but it was still a bit dog.
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He still hasn't progressed any further than Mark Harvey did with this group.
With both St Kilda and Fremantle, he was handed sides that had already progressed to finals.
Recruit of the year - apparently Carlton are looking for a coach. Window closed last year - and I thought those 'behind the scenes' Blues power brokers were savvy operators.
Always remember how hard Lyon was in his final years with the Lions - split packs and really hurt opponents. Would have been in trouble in the trial-by-video regime.
Always remember how hard Lyon was in his final years with the Lions - split packs and really hurt opponents. Would have been in trouble in the trial-by-video regime.
Great game good signs for the new coach and definitely the first quarter was the best I have seen Freo play. But lose to Adelaide and their has been no higher finish under Lyon than Harvey. I agree with Lyon this was not a coming of age for Freo. That would be winning a flag.
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