No Oppo Supporters Ross Lyon will NEVER win a premiership

[Kumarsingh78]

The problem is both.

Lyon is not the best thing to bappen to Freo either.

Victorian clubs are green with envy wishing they had a coach like Lyon in charge.

Our list is not as good as our ladder position (over the past 4 years) would indicate. Our system is elite - our squad is not.

I actually think the Victorian football set is deliberately peddling this "Lyon can't win a flag tripe" as part of an agenda to trick FFC into getting rid of its greatest strength - Ross.

Sadly there are a bunch of gimps on this board that are playing right into their hands.

If Ross was not the coach we would not be minor premiers. In fact, if Ross was not our coach we would probably be on our second "post Harvey era" coach by this time.

People on this board who are taking pot shots at Ross need to get a grip - either that or they need to admit that they are whiteanting the club.

 

[rocklobter]

Victorian clubs are green with envy wishing they had a coach like Lyon in charge.

Our list is not as good as our ladder position (over the past 4 years) would indicate. Our system is elite - our squad is not.

I actually think the Victorian football set is deliberately peddling this "Lyon can't win a flag tripe" as part of an agenda to trick FFC into getting rid of its greatest strength - Ross.

Sadly there are a bunch of gimps on this board that are playing right into their hands.

If Ross was not the coach we would not be minor premiers. In fact, if Ross was not our coach we would probably be on our second "post Harvey era" coach by this time.

People on this board who are taking pot shots at Ross need to get a grip - either that or they need to admit that they are whiteanting the club.

I agree, Ross is definitely not the problem. Too many fringe/out of form players and injuries are the problem. The fact of the matter is, our forward line was not good enough (and has not been for months) to get the job done against the Hawks. A few little things that could have gone our way (i dont need to list them) last friday and this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[Foleybrau]

Our squad is very very good. Our coach is elite. Our forward line however........needs a rebuild/injection. Pav has to retire. We need a solid recruit. And more games into young forwards. A minor premiership without scoring says we have an elite midfield and defence. Just need to complete the puzzle.

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[Kumarsingh78]

I agree, Ross is definitely not the problem. Too many fringe/out of form players and injuries are the problem. The fact of the matter is, our forward line was not good enough (and has not been for months) to get the job done against the Hawks. A few little things that could have gone our way (i dont need to list them) last friday and this thread wouldn't exist.

Agree completely. I was at the game last Friday - early part of the last quarter - thinking we are a good chance of coming home with a win here. Our system was working, the problem was our skills of lack thereof.

The other elephant in the room at FFC (that no one likes to talk about) is that we are in the bottom 3 clubs in the competition for training facilities. That is a fact and is not in dispute. Credit to the board for recognising this and making the shift to Cockburn. But the fact is that Ross has managed to develop a lot of players during his tenure in spite of the third rate facilities.

 

[Kumarsingh78]

Our squad is very very good. Our coach is elite. Our forward line however........needs a rebuild/injection. Pav has to retire. We need a solid recruit. And more games into young forwards. A minor premiership without scoring says we have an elite midfield and defence. Just need to complete the puzzle.

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Pav has been a great servant of the club but let's be honest - he looked cooked in the back half of the season.

An old boxer does not lose his punch - and an old centre half forward does not lose his long kick. But that's all Pav has these days. A solid shot from 50.

Doomsdayers say our window has closed because Pav and McPHarlin are gone - the truth is we won the minor premiership (and were competitive with the bench mark of the comp for 3 quarters in a prelim) with no Luke and a version of Pav that is a shadow of his former self.

We will be better without them next year. You can't under estimate the hunger of youth. When Pav goes it will leave more oxygen for a young kid coming through.

 

[Banker]

Victorian clubs are green with envy wishing they had a coach like Lyon in charge.

Our list is not as good as our ladder position (over the past 4 years) would indicate. Our system is elite - our squad is not.

I actually think the Victorian football set is deliberately peddling this "Lyon can't win a flag tripe" as part of an agenda to trick FFC into getting rid of its greatest strength - Ross.

Sadly there are a bunch of gimps on this board that are playing right into their hands.

If Ross was not the coach we would not be minor premiers. In fact, if Ross was not our coach we would probably be on our second "post Harvey era" coach by this time.

People on this board who are taking pot shots at Ross need to get a grip - either that or they need to admit that they are whiteanting the club.

But Ross hasn't won a flag, not exactly tripe...

What you need to realise we're paying Ross absolute top dollar, which upon review he has returned value. However, its now many years down the line and to not question the game plan is foolish.

 

[scon]

This thread should be renamed: "FFC will never win a Premiership without Ross Lyon".

That's as silly as the OP.

 

[Kumarsingh78]

But Ross hasn't won a flag, not exactly tripe...

What you need to realise we're paying Ross absolute top dollar, which upon review he has returned value. However, its now many years down the line and to not question the game plan is foolish.

The game plan delivered one of the most dominant regular seasons in AFL history.

The notion that a game plan can be good enough to dominate the regular season and consistently win finals but then not be the right system to win a flag is a complete fallacy. Only a total moron would subscribe to such poor analysis - which is why football "experts" like Gerard Whately find the argument so compelling.

The clowns on this board that question Ross should instead ask themselves a different question: If not Ross then who?

 

[Nenks]

Has anyone realised how bad this thread is?! If I were Bennell or any other player looking at coming to our club and saw this constant negativity by its own fans, it would put me off signing with the club......

 

[Kumarsingh78]

That's as silly as the OP.

If by the time Ross departs the club we have not won a flag then I think we all know that we will be in for a very long wait.

 

[Latro]

Has anyone realised how bad this thread is?! If I were Bennell or any other player looking at coming to our club and saw this constant negativity by its own fans, it would put me off signing with the club......

As if footballers read Big Footy. If they are then they are ****ing idiots.

 

[rocklobter]

But Ross hasn't won a flag, not exactly tripe...

What you need to realise we're paying Ross absolute top dollar, which upon review he has returned value. However, its now many years down the line and to not question the game plan is foolish.

Should we question things that have been consistently returning value though?

 

[Nenks]

As if footballers read Big Footy. If they are then they are ******* idiots.

So.... Footballers don't read articles, Collumns, blogs & tweets?

 

[Kumarsingh78]

Has anyone realised how bad this thread is?! If I were Bennell or any other player looking at coming to our club and saw this constant negativity by its own fans, it would put me off signing with the club......

I put the negativity down to "the freagle effect".

The club has traditionally attracted loyal people. Whereas WCE has (almost by their own admission) historically been a beacon for front runners and fickle morons.

But as our club has grown stronger, and tasted success, we have started to attract people that would historically have gravitated to West Coast. It is a symptom of our success. It also explains ugly incidents like the guy punching the lady in the face, Goodes getting booed at FFC games, and dickheads on this board attacking Ross Lyon despite the fact Ross has finally created the culture of excellence and success at our club that we have craved for so long

 

[Latro]

So.... Footballers don't read articles, Collumns, blogs & tweets?

If they are smart they shouldnt.

 

[meima]

Victorian clubs are green with envy wishing they had a coach like Lyon in charge.

Our list is not as good as our ladder position (over the past 4 years) would indicate. Our system is elite - our squad is not.

I actually think the Victorian football set is deliberately peddling this "Lyon can't win a flag tripe" as part of an agenda to trick FFC into getting rid of its greatest strength - Ross.

Sadly there are a bunch of gimps on this board that are playing right into their hands.

If Ross was not the coach we would not be minor premiers. In fact, if Ross was not our coach we would probably be on our second "post Harvey era" coach by this time.

People on this board who are taking pot shots at Ross need to get a grip - either that or they need to admit that they are whiteanting the club.

If by the time Ross departs the club we have not won a flag then I think we all know that we will be in for a very long wait.

You are so naive , what most in board said that he neec to find something extra either through player ,game plan , manage aging player recovery or a combination of all this. The game always evolve the cat got their rebuiding after some successful year, the hawk might do mini rebuid after tommorow match. Gws trying to build on this year succeess to top 8 , gold coast learning to deal with injury li!e abblett ,swallow with the lost of benell. If we still trying with the same game plan, with same player like suban and co can we cope with next wave of retirement ,ageing star, injury to star player lack of opportunity with second string player.

 

[believe_it]

It was our best home and away season so that indicates improvement in some areas. However the goal of increasing our scoring set two years ago hasn't been achieved. If it's because of lack of cattle then that says something about the importance of trading and drafting v the importance of a coach.

He hasn't managed to get any significantly greater output from any tactical changes with the players he has at his disposal. Our forward 50 entries far too often seem disjointed - random kick and hope efforts to nobody in particular. Thank god for Walters and his crumbing ability and to a lesser degree Ballantyne.

Clearly he is not comfortable dealing with press conferences and this reflects in an overly aggressive demeanor and cliched answers. Obviously dearly wants success but is he too afraid of failure?

 

[freo84]

It was our best home and away season so that indicates improvement in some areas. However the goal of increasing our scoring set two years ago hasn't been achieved. If it's because of lack of cattle then that says something about the importance of trading and drafting v the importance of a coach.

He hasn't managed to get any significantly greater output from any tactical changes with the players he has at his disposal. Our forward 50 entries far too often seem disjointed - random kick and hope efforts to nobody in particular. Thank god for Walters and his crumbing ability and to a lesser degree Ballantyne.

Clearly he is not comfortable dealing with press conferences and this reflects in an overly aggressive demeanor and cliched answers. Obviously dearly wants success but is he too afraid of failure?

I love what Ross Lyon has done for the club. But he needs to try to get the guys to win games not have them try not to lose them.

Does that make sense?

 

[Keys]

The game plan delivered one of the most dominant regular seasons in AFL history.

Sorry but this isn't true

You have to go back to 1998 to find a season where your win/loss record and % would have earned you top spot

 

[E Shed]

Lyon is a fantastic coach but no one is perfect. The single biggest fault he has is stubbornness which manifests in persisting with role players who become his favourites even when its obvious they are down on confidence and out of form. Mayne is the poster child for this.

It was so obvious the team was in a slump in the second half of the year and yet very little was done to change the dynamics and what change there was was mostly forced by injury i.e Crozier getting a run for Balla and A Pearce getting sustained game time.

Its been well documented that we didn't have much talent in reserve to mix things up but the blue chip stuff we do have was judged as not ready to play and not given a chance. Meanwhile plenty of other first year players around the league were playing some really handy footy.

I still don't understand what harm could possibly have been done by playing Blakely, Weller and Langdon more to see if we could inject some spark into what was a pretty listless footy team. Blind Freddy could see we were heading off a cliff so what did we have to lose?

The stubborn persistence with the same old same old and expecting different results is my criticism and I believe its valid.

 

[Midnite65]

Pav has been a great servant of the club but let's be honest - he looked cooked in the back half of the season.

An old boxer does not lose his punch - and an old centre half forward does not lose his long kick. But that's all Pav has these days. A solid shot from 50.

Doomsdayers say our window has closed because Pav and McPHarlin are gone - the truth is we won the minor premiership (and were competitive with the bench mark of the comp for 3 quarters in a prelim) with no Luke and a version of Pav that is a shadow of his former self.

We will be better without them next year. You can't under estimate the hunger of youth. When Pav goes it will leave more oxygen for a young kid coming through.

Plus a Michael Johnson who was 25% of himself after he came back from injury, does everyone remember his game against the Bulldogs at Ethiad this season

 

[dockshark]

Not the entire game plan, but some parts of it are clearly not working.

For example - the resting ruckman up forward. Goals scored for 2015 (incl finals)
Sandliands 9 goals. 4 behinds
Giffin 9.1
Clarke 7.2
Hannath 1.1
So for 2015 our resting rucks together kicked 26 goals, in 24 games. Not much over 1 goal per game.

This part of the game plan is not working, clearly, and needs to be abandonned for something else.

Interesting thing is that stat further supports Griffin > Sandilands. I seriously think that Griff should swing over to starting ruck next year, and Sandilands preseason should be with the forwards, and taking marks.

Inb4 stats about Sandilands hitouts are posted to refute this.

 

[mbudm]

Swirling winds in Melbourne today.

 

[Kumarsingh78]

Sorry but this isn't true

You have to go back to 1998 to find a season where your win/loss record and % would have earned you top spot

I am pretty sure a win counted as a win back in 98 just as a win counted as a win in 2015.

The fact that a WCE supporter is offering 'helpful advice' about what is wrong with Ross should be the first alarm bell for posters in this thread aligning themselves with the "anti Ross brigade".

We should not be taking unsolicited advice from our enemy. The fact that on the morning of the WCE GF this turkey feels compelled to focus on FFC is a little strange to say the least.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

The game plan delivered one of the most dominant regular seasons in AFL history.

The notion that a game plan can be good enough to dominate the regular season and consistently win finals but then not be the right system to win a flag is a complete fallacy. Only a total moron would subscribe to such poor analysis - which is why football "experts" like Gerard Whately find the argument so compelling.

The clowns on this board that question Ross should instead ask themselves a different question: If not Ross then who?

I agree with you but Banker knows best. Just ask him.