Roughy Should Never Have Been Appointed Captain

[Realist]

While Hawthorn is still basking in the warm glow of appointing the first female AFL club CEO I thought it might be prudent to discuss the elephant in the room, the form of our captain, Jarryd Roughead.
Let's face it, Roughy has struggled as much as any of his celebrated premiership team mates this year. His effort against the Saints on Saturday was horrible and his last quarter efforts when he missed two easy set shots and then let Carlisle out mark him at half back and kick and easy goal was the icing on the cake of the worst game of a lot of terrible games this year. It was not the sort of effort we should expect from the captain of this great club.
The truth is Roughy should never have been made captain. I honestly love him as much as any supporter, but to expect him to lead the club after what he went through over the past year was unfair and has put far too much pressure on him. He should have spent this year getting his health and fitness right and enjoying life and footy again.
Making Roughy captain was just a cynical PR exercise designed to give the Hawthorn faithful a good news story after the botched and hugely unpopular decision to trade off two club legends for sweet FA. Jarryd Roughead is the victim of a totally botched off season and the board and football department should be ashamed of putting him in this difficult position.
I'll leave you with this scary thought, if Roughy had turned down the captaincy, who would have been captain this year? Shiels? Smith? Maybe that's why he accepted the role. Hodge should still be captain and I bet he thinks he should still be too.
Discuss.
PS I look forward to all the personal insults and abuse from those sycophants who refuse to admit that anyone at Hawthorn can make mistakes and that every player that wears the brown and gold is an absolute champion that can never be questioned.

 

[eldorado]

PS I look forward to all the personal insults and abuse from those sycophants who refuse to admit that anyone at Hawthorn can make mistakes and that every player that wears the brown and gold is an absolute champion that can never be questioned.

Your post was fine until this piece of absolute tripe on the end..

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Discuss

No.

 

[Hawthorn United]

It's a bit unfair to blame the form and season on his appointment as captain.

It's only a title. Off-field commitments and coin toss are pretty much the role he has taken off Hodgey.

We still have on field leaders out there, who will still lead.

We're just not that good anymore.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I want to congratulate the OP on gaining a 'like' from the biggest deadshit troll on Bigfooty.

Mission accomplished.

 

[Qlder_19]

Yes it's an interesting topic
Hodge stepped down and the leadership lost 2
So a whole new leadership was needed and their first task was to find a candidate/s for Captain
Roughy accepted none of us know for sure if there were any others put their hand up as the playing group vote for captain and then their recommendation is sent to the board
So the players vote for their Leader
I'm happy to support the players voice at this point in time
Give Rough a chance he has only been in the job for 6 weeks

 

[StevenwellerHFC]

He may only been captain 2-3 years, you can't come to this conclusion after a few weeks.

 

[Dewnior]

It's a bit unfair to blame the form and season on his appointment as captain.

I don't think the OP is saying that, rather that Roughy didn't need the extra pressure of leading the team on top of regaining his fitness and form he lost while he was battling cancer.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Hard to comment as I am a bit lost at the moment. Rough has struggled, but he has some pals....

I am hoping our next leadership group is:

Captain: O'Meara
Vices: Mitchell and Burton

 

[Hawthorn United]

I don't think the OP is saying that, rather that Roughy didn't need the extra pressure of leading the team on top of regaining his fitness and form he lost while he was battling cancer.

Oh ok, fair enough. But if Roughy didn't feel that he was ready or up for it, then he would have refused it.

Also, in relative terms, for what he has gone through, captaining a football club is nothing.

 

[Hodginator]

Big Footy used to be a better place when we had 3 premiership cups under our avatars. I miss those days.

Now everyone just takes pot shots wherever they see an opportunity.

 

[tommyk72]

OP could have been phrased in a less combative manner, but I agree with the point. Roughie's has not been up to scratch. To date, it feels like perhaps he could have done with out the extra burden and focused on getting himself physically and mentally right. Instead he is now burdened with additional responsibilities as he makes his way back. Was it the right choice? Right now, no. In two years, perhaps?

Maybe a 'roughie, where is he at' thread would have been better. Or, alternatively, a 'hawthorn, where are they at' thread.


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[threesixpio]

We should have

(a) delisted Gibson
(b) kept Angus Litherland
(c) made Angus Litherland captain

 

[threesixpio]

Btw: Tracy G disagrees

 

[Aramis]

I want to congratulate the OP on gaining a 'like' from the biggest deadshit troll on Bigfooty.

Mission accomplished.

and thats an alright thing to say about someone is it?

surprised a mod would conduct himself like that since I thought it was the responsibility to keep the peace and not encourage or tolerate things like that?
I daresay someone spoke about you like that they would probably be sitting in the sin bin.

 

[Argy]

Big Footy used to be a better place when we had 3 premiership cups under our avatars. I miss those days.

Now everyone just takes pot shots wherever they see an opportunity.

This.

We're in a new era. Let's enjoy football as much as we can.

I honestly enjoyed our journey from 2001 to 2008.

 

[Gralin]

and thats an alright thing to say about someone is it?

surprised a mod would conduct himself like that since I thought it was the responsibility to keep the peace and not encourage or tolerate things like that?
I daresay someone spoke about you like that they would probably be sitting in the sin bin.

you realize you have been trolled by swampy yeah?

 

[Noneedforaname]

I was OS at the time of the trades. Devastated and never caught up on the intricacies of it all. I still can't face wading through those threads either, almost as bad as watching a losing GF replay, or the final episodes of the Sopranos. Not gonna happen. But I did wonder ....

We weren't just losing a player when Lewis left, we were losing an anointed Captain. Transitional perhaps, but he was surely in line, even more so with Roughies illness. I don't quite follow the argument saying he was never going to be made Captain. I'd question why he was VC so long, and why he acted often enough? He had the media training, the persona etc. And if he wasn't going to skipper, he was surely going to be an outstanding leader on the ground (in the absence of Sammy), and possibly still VC to someone.

Anyhow, it's no knock on Roughy. He's certainly assumed the mantle in the absence of other leaders about the place. Not his fault that the cupboard is bare (the selections and performances of Shiels and Smith should go some way to emphasizing that) and we appear to have had our succession plan interrupted. If his appointment was always the plan, then I would suggest it was extremely poor timing from the club to lump the pressure on him at that time. They should not have been banking on his health improving to bestow the role on him.

What plan B was there? Or was this plan B because Plan A marched out the door to Melbourne?

Not to say Roughy isn't going to turn things round form wise. We don't know how he goes as Captain off the field, in training, wherever. I'd argue Vandenberg was a very successful Captain, and yet his best work was off the field implementing the cultural change that Clarko demanded.

Brave OP.

 

[Tuck In]

I was flicking through the site quickly during lunchtime at work and glanced and the thread titles and convinced myself that I saw:

"Tracey Gaudry should not have been made captain".

Now I know things are a bit down (love understatement), and changes have been and are continuing to be made but I must say this appointment passed me by and not only that - but before she has even led for game she is being called out. I'm lost.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I was flicking through the site quickly during lunchtime at work and glanced and the thread titles and convinced myself that I saw:

"Tracey Gaudry should not have been made captain".

Now I know things are a bit down (love understatement), and changes have been and are continuing to be made but I must say this appointment passed me by and not only that - but before she has even led for game she is being called out. I'm lost.

Even at 47 she'd probably be handier on the wing than Hartung.

 

[Gold Member]

Season 2005
LLLWLL
1W 5L after 6 rounds.

Conclusion. Should never have made Clarkson coach.

 

[Alley oops]

A few losses is all it takes to start eating ourselves up. Prior to his illness he was probably our most critical player. I don't think PR had much to do with his appointment. He's also a forward and delivery was sub standard. Let's wait till years end.

 

[MasterSamurai]

I reckon captaincy suits Roughy, its just that he's finding his feet again so to speak. I mean. he was ok against WCE when the rest of the emerging leaders played like they hadn't forgotten how to play football.

 

[Hawk_francais]

Why start this thread? You'll be forced to eat your words sooner or later.

Roughy is a super-talented 200 gamer, with years of vice-captain experience and is extremely popular and respected amongst the players.

No one would argue that his form has been down, and we have the right to point the finger at him to lift, but the idea that we've got a verdict on his captaincy after round 5 is ridiculous.

 

[Aramis]

you realize you have been trolled by swampy yeah?

Nah I dont realize, can you explain how I was "trolled by swampy"?