Preview Round 1, 2022: Hawks v North, MCG Sunday March 20th at 1.10pm

[FB19]

This will be my team for Round 1, assuming that Impey and Day miss. CJ misses and we could see Morris or DGB.

B: Hardwick, Hartigan, Sicily

HB: Jiath, Frost, Scrimshaw

C: Morrison, O'Meara, Ward

HF: Wingard, Koschitzke, Moore

F: Gunston, Lewis, Breust

FOL: Reeves, Mitchell, Worpel

INT: McEvoy, Newcombe, MacDonald, Bramble, Maginness (Sub)

EMG: Nash, Grainger-Barras, Howe, Shiels.

Like it although I think Howe is a certain starter likely CJ doesn’t get up so comes in for him bramble to half back. I also think brockman will play for MacDonald

 

[FB19]

Why is it most who put up a team selection have Shiels as emergency? I respect and rate him to the equal of Tom Mitchell. What more doe shiels have to do to get win respect from supporters. hard nosed never beaten does multipule jobs from run with to racking up possesions through mid field.

I understand your point he has been an amazing part of our success and still has a role to play, but I think he is in his last year and will likely play about half the games. He’s a great role model for our young mids in what it takes to make it

 

[TylerDurden]

Can’t disagree with you on Hall. He’s a rare commodity at the roos, hence we invested in that area at the draft.

Re runners, I’m not willing to disagree with you in theory, but let’s take a deep dive

Mitchell, omera, wingard, Worpel. I see them as your main mids. Sure you have included some additional players. But these first. They are all good players, at or near their prime. But I wouldn’t say running beasts.

Vs

Simpkin, LDU, Greenwood, Thomas

Certainly not a group known for their running output. Like you say Simpkin is above average, but LDU and Thomas are still improving, and whilst Greenwood has dropped weight and covering the ground well, he’s no gazelle.

Phillips, Powell, JHF are all extreme youth. Stephenson is certainly capable of running the wings to great effect. Don’t laugh but Polec too will be used as a player that puts speed on the ball. He is moving very well. McDonald can also be used as a defensive winger.

You mentioned ward, who whilst a strong junior runner, is in his first game and may not even play. CJ? I thought he was touch and go to play, let alone run us off our feet in the last qrt?

Regardless, it does look like you might have a running advantage.

CJ will play. Elite runner.
Moore. Elite.
Morrison on a wing. Elite.
Ward. Best of the lot.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

CJ will play. Elite runner.
Moore. Elite.
Morrison on a wing. Elite.
Ward. Best of the lot.

I think the biggest watch is that I expect we will get more out of the midfield group of JOM, Tom and Worpel with the coaching changes and that support that we have brought in(Newk, Ward, Maginness, MacDonald, Nash).

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[burner1]

I think the biggest watch is that I expect we will get more out of the midfield group of JOM, Tom and Worpel with the coaching changes and that support that we have brought in(Newk, Ward, Maginness, MacDonald, Nash).

Reckon it’s going to take a while for the younger crew to really make a difference - unlikely for round 1. And coaching / game plan changes are a risk of us going backward for a bit u til changes start to gel. More expecting a slow and bumpy grind out of midfield mediocrity over the next few seasons.

Wouldn’t be surprised if north beats us. Think they have a better functioning midfield and enough forward targets and that’s prob enough for round 1 which is often a bit scrappy.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Reckon it’s going to take a while for the younger crew to really make a difference - unlikely for round 1. And coaching / game plan changes are a risk of us going backward for a bit u til changes start to gel. More expecting a slow and bumpy grind out of midfield mediocrity over the next few seasons.

Wouldn’t be surprised if north beats us. Think they have a better functioning midfield and enough forward targets and that’s prob enough for round 1 which is often a bit scrappy.

Nash and Newcombe made an immediate impact last year.

Newcombe and Worpel have had big summers, Maginness also, while Ward and MacDonald will give us something a bit different.
At least 3 of the above are going to be out there in Round 1 by my reckoning, with Nash behind them due to his limited training through Jan.

 

[grumbleguts]

Has JHF met a Nash tackle yet?

I can imagine after round 1, if nash plays and gets him, the return fixture on 23rd of July will have a team announcement which will read something like this:

Outs: Horne-Francis (personal reasons)

 

[kazzooka]

Why is it most who put up a team selection have Shiels as emergency? I respect and rate him to the equal of Tom Mitchell. What more doe shiels have to do to get win respect from supporters. hard nosed never beaten does multipule jobs from run with to racking up possesions through mid field.

He can start by winning a brownlow and 3 best and fairests to be rated the equal of Mitchell.

Fact is he is behind O'meara, Mitchell wingard and Worpel and we have some exciting young players to give opportunities to and our current mids don't get it done.

 

[nelk boys]

Why is it most who put up a team selection have Shiels as emergency? I respect and rate him to the equal of Tom Mitchell. What more doe shiels have to do to get win respect from supporters. hard nosed never beaten does multipule jobs from run with to racking up possesions through mid field.

It's laughable that you would have Shiels on that same level. Shiels was nothing but ordinary at his peak, doubt he will play more than 5 games this year tbh.

 

[Big Hotdog]

It's laughable that you would have Shiels on that same level. Shiels was nothing but ordinary at his peak, doubt he will play more than 5 games this year tbh.

You are really starting to sound floggish with posts like this.

 

[Manila_Hawk]

You are really starting to sound floggish with posts like this.

I think floggish is being kind. Shiels has been a great player for a long time.

Best 22 in any AFL club.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

I think floggish is being kind. Shiels has been a great player for a long time.

Best 22 in any AFL club.

Thank God you aren't a coach, because shiels' last 2 years have been bog average. He's there for leadership at this point

 

[nelk boys]

You are really starting to sound floggish with posts like this.

My bad, I'm just so excited about our youth especially with Ward, Mcdonald, Nash, Newcombe all looking so promising. I'm just hoping the coaches share this enthusiams for chance, and these guys get a chance

 

[Slainte]

The numbers say that, over his career, Shiels has been elite for tackles but nothing else. He is an average to above average mid in every other respect and his numbers are starting to decline. He has been a great contributor over the journey and is rightly highly regarded. However, there is no way he is going to become an elite mid when he never has been. We don't know what ceiling Ward and MacDonald have. The numbers have Mitchell and O'Meara substantially ahead of Shiels. This is less the case with Worpel, but he has age on his side. If we want to try out Ward and MacDonald, Shiels is the one who loses his spot first.

 

[TylerDurden]

The numbers say that, over his career, Shiels has been elite for tackles but nothing else. He is an average to above average mid in every other respect and his numbers are starting to decline. He has been a great contributor over the journey and is rightly highly regarded. However, there is no way he is going to become an elite mid when he never has been. We don't know what ceiling Ward and MacDonald have. The numbers have Mitchell and O'Meara substantially ahead of Shiels. This is less the case with Worpel, but he has age on his side. If we want to try out Ward and MacDonald, Shiels is the one who loses his spot first.

Correct. Someone has to bite the bullet. Phillips is in strife too for mine.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Cunnington is a huge loss for them (such an underrated player).

But they still have Goldy, Simpkin, Greenwood, LDU and Thomas, all of which can hurt us.

 

[Noel Gallagher]

Cunnington is a huge loss for them (such an underrated player).

But they still have Goldy, Simpkin, Greenwood, LDU and Thomas, all of which can hurt us.

Really want to knock them off round 1 and make a statement. I have always had a soft spot for North but until the last couple of years. Their supporters have become really cocky and genuinely think that their youngsters are superior to ours - perhaps they are but we will see.

 

[moginie]

Hasn't it only be 3 round 1 games thus far since Chad has been at the club ? That's 33.33 % by my math

Yep.

And, amazingly enough for you, that's my maths too.

And equally, my equation that if he starts round 1 that's a 50% record, as you would have to admit.

My criticism is with your choice of words, and hyperbole attached to it, not the mathematics.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Cunnington is a huge loss for them (such an underrated player).

But they still have Goldy, Simpkin, Greenwood, LDU and Thomas, all of which can hurt us.

It will be a huge knock on us if we can't account for them. Their list is not great and lacks our quality in several areas.

The media will be like sharks circling. Hoping for a really strong performance and the players do well executing the new gameplan. Maybe Mitch will include ensure he has a few from BHH in the team like Nash and Jai, who have more experience with it.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

It will be a huge knock on us if we can't account for them. Their list is not great and lacks our quality in several areas.

The media will be like sharks circling. Hoping for a really strong performance and the players do well executing the new gameplan. Maybe Mitch will include ensure he has a few from BHH in the team like Nash and Jai, who have more experience with it.

Doubt the media will be circling given it will have been Mitchell's first official AFL game in charge.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Correct. Someone has to bite the bullet. Phillips is in strife too for mine.

nobody has shiels or phillips in their r1 side but i reckon both will be picked, even if one is medi sub

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

nobody has shiels or phillips in their r1 side but i reckon both will be picked, even if one is medi sub

I can't see how they're picked at this stage, unless Sam completely forgets what he's there to do.*

*Win our next flag.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I can't see how they're picked at this stage, unless Sam completely forgets what he's there to do.*

*Win our next flag.

Tom Phillips wasn't a great pickup, he was good for a year at Collingwood and got moved to a HFF (good in a good team because he was being fed the ball.), it'll be the same for us, if he plays it'll be more as HFF and only if injuries come.

Can see why they wanted to get rid of him. Shiels is just cooked, looked it a fair bit last year and the more likely of the two to be medi sub or close to the team. Stick Tom down with his brother Ed in Box Hill.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

I can't see how they're picked at this stage, unless Sam completely forgets what he's there to do.*

*Win our next flag.

maybe im still thinking as if clarko is the coach, but i just expect them to be selected. i don't think sam will be as radical as some on here think, and he may want to play our more experienced players to start so he can get a better gauge of where we're at, and then adjust selection based on that

if not them it will be one or two of Howe and Morrison instead