Preview Round 1, 2022: St.Kilda v Collingwood - Marvel Stadium, Friday 18th March, 7:50PM AEDT

[George]

Gate 3

Bring your brown pants this time so the aftermath isn't as obvious

 

[Sab22]

you might as well play Max Heath at this point

 

[Ads734]

Look I’m comfortable with either Hayes or Sharman. I do think that they both losses intangibles.

Sharman - outstanding one v one contested mark , keeps his feet and creates moments from nothing. Great finnisher.

Hayes -
Incredible heart of a lion. Third fourth fifth efforts etc etc. also can lift the team with his contest.

As long as we win I’m happy undoubtedly they’ll both have their chances this season.

 

[George]

Dard Ball Get cowering away when the heat is on as usual. All this talk about meeting up outside Marvel at Round 1 and where is he?? Where's the big tough man?? Typical

 

[saint66au]

It’s not just about the fact he missed a year of footy, it was actually a year and half, and in the two seasons after that, he’s had to try and establish himself at the highest level of the game while getting to play half a game here, a quarter of a game there, nowhere at all the next week and so-on.

That might be OK for a “seasoned veteran”, who has the runs on the board and the fitness built up over years, and who knows they have what it takes to play at the level, but for a young guy, who’s previously only played against kids, and who doesn’t yet have that belief that he belongs at that level, and who doesn’t have the fitness, it’s a completely different story.

And comparing him to others who had uninterrupted runs at it by the same age is beyond ridiculous. They had it an extraordinary amount easier than he did.

I also wasn’t saying he’s as good as those two (although at junior level he would have been dominating to a similar extent), but Gringo was talking about wanting someone who has that similar “style of play”, and Bytel no doubt has that. It’s his bread and butter. It’s literally the reason he got drafted.

Bytel, for better or worse, had extra pressure on him due to all the "if he hadnt done his back he'd have gone Top 10, Saints have got a steal here" talk

Personally "if he can get his body right" should strike fear into the hearts of any Saints fan...cos we rarely if ever do get their bodies right

 

[Bill Mohr]

I’m not agreeing he’ll be a star, I’m just answering your question. That’s the player OP would have been referring to


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I was talking the old days, Jarman, Platten, bradley-those types. Instant stars and who had played good footy in SA

 

[SaintersUnite]

Cooper

Whoops forgot about the one and only GOAT


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[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

WangMill looks like a Hill style wingman, Owens looks potentially a mid and Windy a forward mid. I'm talking a pure Olly Wines/ Clayton Oliver ball pig style midfielder. We can't win clearance without Ryder who is minutes from retirement but don't seem to address a lack of clearance specialists.

what ballpig mid was available at our pick though? it was wang or sinn no?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Dard Ball Get cowering away when the heat is on as usual. All this talk about meeting up outside Marvel at Round 1 and where is he?? Where's the big tough man?? Typical

I’ll level with ya mate. I’ve been off gaming for many years now, downloaded Civilization 6 last night and realised why . Giving myself one week then deleting.

Also, we caught up in the gym yesterday? Here’s the pics of you you asked for.

 

[ScrappyDo]

what ballpig mid was available at our pick though? it was wang or sinn no?

Yeah and we got that wrong too

 

[KingJim]

This first game seems to have come around quite fast, maybe a busy start to the year? Little Daics, lets see what he can do. I hope our boys are primed for a big year. Let's do this one for Shane ey.

 

[gringo2011]

Year 1- Injured
Year 2- Covid (no VFL)
Year 3- Covid (no VFL)

If anything Bytel has exceeded what should be expected of a pick 41 with a handful of games experience.

The kid has talent & just needed to get his body right & tank up. Now he just needs games under his belt.

Hope the 1st of that run of games begins on Friday night


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And own a spot in the seniors which is what I said. If he can’t break in this year he’s going to be up against more draftees he’s going to have to jump over and the best of last years kids. Footy doesn’t wait for anyone.

 

[gringo2011]

what ballpig mid was available at our pick though? it was wang or sinn no?

Hobbs probably the obvious one. It didn’t have to be this year we never take them with decent picks.

 

[George]

I’ll level with ya mate. I’ve been off gaming for many years now, downloaded Civilization 6 last night and realised why . Giving myself one week then deleting.

Also, we caught up in the gym yesterday? Here’s the pics of you you asked for.

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One from your collection it seems

 

[Premium]

Are you saying Bytel is an "old" 22 ?

Poor Bytel has had 3 seasons of football - first year he was out the whole year because of his back , the next 2 years Covid hit and basically found it hard to get a game when the VFL was canceled his first year and the next year the VFL played 8 games.
He has never got the opportunity to get game time- he has played seniors yeah but only a handful of games.
Once he gets some game time he will develop into a very good midfielder , and the kid has good disposal by hand and foot.

 

[Premium]

Hobbs probably the obvious one. It didn’t have to be this year we never take them with decent picks.

Gringo he could well be a star but when they state his weakness is he is slow, it not what we really need another slow mid.
You may be able to get away being slow at TAC level but not AFL.

 

[George]

Legend

Video

Premiership Saint Ian Cooper speaks about the club's first game at Moorabbin in Round 1, 1965 against Collingwood.

www.saints.com.au

 

[StCicatriz]

I would love them to just play him so he can tear his calf off the bone and we can be done with him

Tbh I know you're being a bit tongue in cheek but there comes a point where this will just have to be the strategy.

He plays and if he gets injured so be it and we move on.

 

[True Blue Saint]

Let’s just hope NWN stays longer then two years
Put money on the SA sides are already in his ear

Well, if Port want to flick us Rozee & Butters for him in a couple of years, I could be willing to be persuaded.

 

[bird_man]

I just think it's beating a dead horse and not that realistic to begin with.
If you're going to complain about not drafting mids then 2016 is the most recent year we screwed the pooch on that front.
I wouldn't take back any draft year since then, with the only possible exception being 2020 which is still TBD although Highmore and Coops seem good things already.
Who are the mids that we should have drafted?

I wasn't complaining. There was a discussion around not drafting mids and I just stated the fact which were whilst we have in fact drafted mids we have used very little high draft picks on them.

In terms of which mids we should have drafted, there were a few available when we took Allison with our first pick in 2020. Most notably Poulter.

I also said last year I wouldn't let Hobbs past our pick.

Time will tell whether we made the right calls but it is hard to build a premiership midfield with later picks and cheap recruits.

A lot of my frustration around the midfield is that the one time we spent a top 40 pick on a mid was 2017 and he has barely played in there.

 

[gringo2011]

Gringo he could well be a star but when they state his weakness is he is slow, it not what we really need another slow mid.
You may be able to get away being slow at TAC level but not AFL.

Contested ball seems to equate to winning footy these days. Libba turning back into a star inside mid probably thrust the Dogs up the ladder faster than most other improvements. I think we've ignored that role for a long time. Wines, Oliver, Libba, Cunnington types don't need to rely on having a 36 year old ruckman being wheeled out to compete.

We really have to hope that Bytel comes on because there isn't many others on the list that look close to ready. We were so obsessed with balanced mids that we have ignored the missing piece.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I wasn't complaining. There was a discussion around not drafting mids and I just stated the fact which were whilst we have in fact drafted mids we have used very little high draft picks on them.

In terms of which mids we should have drafted, there were a few available when we took Allison with our first pick in 2020. Most notably Poulter.

I also said last year I wouldn't let Hobbs past our pick.

Time will tell whether we made the right calls but it is hard to build a premiership midfield with later picks and cheap recruits.

A lot of my frustration around the midfield is that the one time we spent a top 40 pick on a mid was 2017 and he has barely played in there.

Thats all well and good but you've avoided the point. Setting aside our 1st pick from 2020, who are these mids we should have drafted?

 

[stavro#4]

Tbh I know you're being a bit tongue in cheek but there comes a point where this will just have to be the strategy.

He plays and if he gets injured so be it and we move on.

Wont need to. Will retire at seasons end.

 

[George]

Captains run in about an hour for those looking for something to do this morning

 

[bird_man]

Thats all well and good but you've avoided the point. Setting aside our 1st pick from 2020, who are these mids we should have drafted?

I haven't avoided th point at all.

I just gave one example from 2020 and one from 2021 where we could have taken a genuine mid. You can go back and read that post.

I think it would have made a lot of sense to use one of our first round selections over the last two years on a genuine mid because normally the elite mids of the comp are found in the top end of the draft not the bottom end.