Prediction ROUND 1 2023 - Pick your best team

[AFC979810]

This is harder than the last couple of years. We’ve got some depth across the lines now.

Don't confuse lack of quality with depth.

 

[AFC979810]

Hamill is an interesting one.

Could easily make the side if he has a clear run of it, but he probably gives himself a concussion just putting that helmet on.

Lots of players in the window where we have seen flashes at AFL level, but not consistency (understandably).

Hamill, Sholl, Cook, Hinge, Schoenberg, McPherson, Hately, Himmelburg, Parnell, Worrell. All have showed that at their best they belong at AFL level. Which ones out of this group will show it through consistency in 2023 will be exciting to see.

For me the most important ones for our long term future are Schoenberg, Sholl, Worrell, Cook (in that order).

*could honestly also add McAdam, Fog and Milera to this list. All are yet to play a complete and consistent season of AFL footy (Milera hasn't post injury).

I think if he doesn't show something this year they may trade him. Not saying he won't make it but we need some impact from him by the end of 3 years.

Far too early for Cook. Only 6 months older than Soligo.

 

[AFC979810]

My Best team if all are healthy:

F Rachele Fogarty McAdam
HF Rankine Walker Thilthorpe
C Dawson Berry Soligo
HB Milera Murray Smith
B Parnell Butts Worrell
RUCK O'Brien Laird Keays
INTER Sloane Hinge Schoenberg Sholl (one of Murphy/McHenry)

EMG: Doedee, Pedlar, Crouch, Hately

Here is how I think we line up:

AFL
F Rachele Fogarty McAdam
HF McHenry Walker Thilthorpe
C Dawson Berry Soligo
HB Jones Murray Smith
B Doedee Butts Worrell
RUCK O'Brien Laird Rankine
INTER Sloane Murphy Keays Schoenberg Milera

Emg: Pedlar, Cook, Hinge

SANFL
F Seedsman Himmelberg Gollant
HF Pedlar McAsey Hinge
C Cook Taylor Newchurch
HB Michalanney Magden Hamill
B Sholl Borlase Parnell
R Strachan Crouch Hately
I Dowling Bond McPherson Nankervis

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Lots of players in the window where we have seen flashes at AFL level, but not consistency (understandably).

Hamill, Sholl, Cook, Hinge, Schoenberg, McPherson, Hately, Himmelburg, Parnell, Worrell. All have showed that at their best they belong at AFL level. Which ones out of this group will show it through consistency in 2023 will be exciting to see.

For me the most important ones for our long term future are Schoenberg, Sholl, Worrell, Cook (in that order).

*could honestly also add McAdam, Fog and Milera to this list. All are yet to play a complete and consistent season of AFL footy (Milera hasn't post injury).



Far too early for Cook. Only 6 months older than Soligo.

I would argue Pedlar is the most important for the long term as could be a real point of difference in our midfield.

 

[AFC979810]

I would argue Pedlar is the most important for the long term as could be a real point of difference in our midfield.

Fair enough.

Would be happy for Pedlar to get 15+ games at AFL level this year and stay healthy.

 

[jackster83]

I would argue Pedlar is the most important for the long term as could be a real point of difference in our midfield.

Schoenberg, Pedlar, Cook

All are high-ish picks who have shown glimpses. We need at least one of these guys to become a genuine A grader and another to become a solid contributor.

 

[crow2crow]

My Best team if all are healthy:

F Rachele Fogarty McAdam
HF Rankine Walker Thilthorpe
C Dawson Berry Soligo
HB Milera Murray Smith
B Parnell Butts Worrell
RUCK O'Brien Laird Keays
INTER Sloane Hinge Schoenberg Sholl (one of Murphy/McHenry)

EMG: Doedee, Pedlar, Crouch, Hately

Here is how I think we line up:

AFL
F Rachele Fogarty McAdam
HF McHenry Walker Thilthorpe
C Dawson Berry Soligo
HB Jones Murray Smith
B Doedee Butts Worrell
RUCK O'Brien Laird Rankine
INTER Sloane Murphy Keays Schoenberg Milera

Emg: Pedlar, Cook, Hinge

SANFL
F Seedsman Himmelberg Gollant
HF Pedlar McAsey Hinge
C Cook Taylor Newchurch
HB Michalanney Magden Hamill
B Sholl Borlase Parnell
R Strachan Crouch Hately
I Dowling Bond McPherson Nankervis

Having murphy mchenry sholl parnell over doedee is just idiotic sorry

clearly he snubbed you at autograph signing

 

[Mostyn]

LEAGUE

FF: Rankine - Thilthorpe - Fogarty
HF: Rachele - Walker - Sloane

C: Dawson - Berry - Soligo
R: O’Brien - Laird - Keays

HB: Smith - Worrell - Milera
B: Doedee - Butts - Jones

Int: Pedlar - McAdam - Schoenberg - Taylor (Murray)


RESERVES

F: Newchurch - Gollant - Murphy
HF: Cook - Himmelberg - Nankervis

C: Hinge - Hately - Sholl
R: Strachan - Crouch - McHenry

HB: Hamill - Madgen - McPherson
B: Parnell - Borlase - Michelanney

Int: Seedsman/LTI - Dowling - Bond - *McAsey

 

[AFC979810]

Schoenberg, Pedlar, Cook

All are high-ish picks who have shown glimpses. We need at least one of these guys to become a genuine A grader and another to become a solid contributor.

Has Pedlar shown glimpses? Hasn't really shown anything at AFL level (admittedly has only played 5 games) over 2 years.

Played 14 games at SANFL level averaging 14 touches and a goal in 2022. I understand many on here rate him massively, but is it more hope than reality?

 

[AFC979810]

Having murphy mchenry sholl parnell over doedee is just idiotic sorry

clearly he snubbed you at autograph signing

For me it comes to our backline makeup.

Playing with Murray, Butts, Worrell and Doedee leaves us a little too tall defensively IMO. Think we have more flexibility not playing all 4.

Playing with Butts, Doedee, Worrell leaves us exposed to the 2nd tall.

Playing with Butts, Murray, Doedee leaves us extremely limited with run and carry from defensive 50.

Playing with Murray, Butts, Worrell is the ideal combination for me. I feel that Worrell will be slightly less adept at defending but provides a hell of a lot more offensively.

Those players you mentioned shouldn't be in the conversation about Doedee as they play extremely different roles. Murphy or McHenry are the defensive small forward (non statistical roll). Parnell is the small defender which Doedee can't do. Sholl is an outside midfielder - which Doedee most certainly is not.

Now do I think Doedee isn't in the first 10 players selected - no. But when looking at the makeup of the side he just seems a little bit too much of a tweener. Not strong enough defensively to take a Key Forward, not attacking enough to be the intercepting 3rd tall. I will admit - he does piss me off by falling over every 30 seconds.

 

[Danger in Texas]

For me it comes to our backline makeup.

Playing with Murray, Butts, Worrell and Doedee leaves us a little too tall defensively IMO. Think we have more flexibility not playing all 4.

Playing with Butts, Doedee, Worrell leaves us exposed to the 2nd tall.

Playing with Butts, Murray, Doedee leaves us extremely limited with run and carry from defensive 50.

Playing with Murray, Butts, Worrell is the ideal combination for me. I feel that Worrell will be slightly less adept at defending but provides a hell of a lot more offensively.

Those players you mentioned shouldn't be in the conversation about Doedee as they play extremely different roles. Murphy or McHenry are the defensive small forward (non statistical roll). Parnell is the small defender which Doedee can't do. Sholl is an outside midfielder - which Doedee most certainly is not.

Now do I think Doedee isn't in the first 10 players selected - no. But when looking at the makeup of the side he just seems a little bit too much of a tweener. Not strong enough defensively to take a Key Forward, not attacking enough to be the intercepting 3rd tall. I will admit - he does piss me off by falling over every 30 seconds.

Does it? A lot of teams seem to be moving toward an intercept-based defence, I can't think of too many teams that play two KPD's with little to no offensive drive. Look at Geelong, for instance - none of Henry, Kolo or Stewart are really an ideal CHB, but they make it work between all three of them + SDK

If Worrell can improve his 1v1 game a bit to where it is acceptable enough this year, I can see us moving forward with a Butts/Murray + Worrell, Doedee and hopefully Michalanney tall defensive setup in future years

 

[AFC979810]

Does it? A lot of teams seem to be moving toward an intercept-based defence, I can't think of too many teams that play two KPD's with little to no offensive drive. Look at Geelong, for instance - none of Henry, Kolo or Stewart are really an ideal CHB, but they make it work between all three of them + SDK

Couple of issues with this. Doedee is 187cm. He is 4cm smaller than midfielder Nathan Fyfe. The issue is that for his height - he is completely exposed defensively against tall players. And for a player 187cm - he isn't good enough offensively.

Geelong have SDK - 204cm, Kolo 193cm, Stewart 190cm, Henry 192cm. Thats 4 players that can roll through - plus Blickavs 198cm has been known to go back.

Also - as a side point - It's easier to be a bit more flexible when you are Geelong. They have midfield dominance. Geelongs opponents averaged 44 inside 50's a game. Our opponents averaged 55 per game.

If Worrell can improve his 1v1 game a bit to where it is acceptable enough this year, I can see us moving forward with a Butts/Murray + Worrell, Doedee and hopefully Michalanney tall defensive setup in future years

Honestly - I would be happy with a Butts/Worrell/Doedee from an offensive point of view as long as Worrell can handle the 2nd Defensive post.

My issue with Doedee is he IMO - slightly better at defending than Worrell but far worse offensively. He is slightly better than Murray offensively, but far worse defensively.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Couple of issues with this. Doedee is 187cm. He is 4cm smaller than midfielder Nathan Fyfe. The issue is that for his height - he is completely exposed defensively against tall players. And for a player 187cm - he isn't good enough offensively.

Geelong have SDK - 204cm, Kolo 193cm, Stewart 190cm, Henry 192cm. Thats 4 players that can roll through - plus Blickavs 198cm has been known to go back.

Also - as a side point - It's easier to be a bit more flexible when you are Geelong. They have midfield dominance. Geelongs opponents averaged 44 inside 50's a game. Our opponents averaged 55 per game.



Honestly - I would be happy with a Butts/Worrell/Doedee from an offensive point of view as long as Worrell can handle the 2nd Defensive post.

My issue with Doedee is he IMO - slightly better at defending than Worrell but far worse offensively. He is slightly better than Murray offensively, but far worse defensively.

Totally get the bolded, I hated whenever we reverted to the 'Doedee at CHB' experiment. He plays above his height, but not nearly enough to be able to stand tall key forwards

I reckon his best role is still in that back pocket interceptor role, we've switched him around a bit in the past two seasons (and stupidly played him through injury), think we just need to keep it simple and play him in that same role where he first excelled. If MM comes on over the next few years, that'll take some pressure off him as well

Hoping that part of Worrell's development (whether it be as the 2nd or 3rd tall) is further developing his shutdown game, anyway. Will help him become a really dangerous, well-rounded player in the back half. The hope for me is that Worrell can eventually play an Aliir-type role as a capable shutdown guy and a gun interceptor, which in turn will help to add a lot more drive from defence that we currently lack

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We're hopeless at using our players.

We lack rebound and kicking skills off half back... yet Chayce Jones is undroppable churning along at 12 possessions per game

Can't play Doedee & Worrell together... have to shift Dawson down back... all so that Jones can continue to play averagely

 

[Danger in Texas]

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We lack rebound and kicking skills off half back... yet Chayce Jones is undroppable churning along at 12 possessions per game

You're so mad that we're hopeless that you seem to have broken your Enter/Return key

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

You're so mad that we're hopeless that you seem to have broken your Enter/Return key







My Bigfooty is broken which is frustrating to say the least!

 

[George Kramer]

We're hopeless at using our players.

We lack rebound and kicking skills off half back... yet Chayce Jones is undroppable churning along at 12 possessions per game

Can't play Doedee & Worrell together... have to shift Dawson down back... all so that Jones can continue to play averagely

They can’t play him down back with the defensive options we have, plus he’s just not that good at it. Plays midfield/wing or he’s traded/delisted and we’ve blown another first rounder which we have really unless you’re overly optimistic. Doesn’t win enough ball, has limited poise, he’s quick and hard at it, that’s it.

 

[Danger in Texas]

They can’t play him down back with the defensive options we have, plus he’s just not that good at it. Plays midfield/wing or he’s traded/delisted and we’ve blown another first rounder which we have really unless you’re overly optimistic. Doesn’t win enough ball, has limited poise, he’s quick and hard at it, that’s it.

I think he got played more as a wing as the season went on, anyway

Needs to get up to Hinge-level numbers minimum if he wants to be in the side, for mine. Even if he does, Hinge naturally provides more from a height/marking/metres gained perspective

 

[crow2crow]

For me it comes to our backline makeup.

Playing with Murray, Butts, Worrell and Doedee leaves us a little too tall defensively IMO. Think we have more flexibility not playing all 4.

Playing with Butts, Doedee, Worrell leaves us exposed to the 2nd tall.

Playing with Butts, Murray, Doedee leaves us extremely limited with run and carry from defensive 50.

Playing with Murray, Butts, Worrell is the ideal combination for me. I feel that Worrell will be slightly less adept at defending but provides a hell of a lot more offensively.

Those players you mentioned shouldn't be in the conversation about Doedee as they play extremely different roles. Murphy or McHenry are the defensive small forward (non statistical roll). Parnell is the small defender which Doedee can't do. Sholl is an outside midfielder - which Doedee most certainly is not.

Now do I think Doedee isn't in the first 10 players selected - no. But when looking at the makeup of the side he just seems a little bit too much of a tweener. Not strong enough defensively to take a Key Forward, not attacking enough to be the intercepting 3rd tall. I will admit - he does piss me off by falling over every 30 seconds.

fair enough but we are playing doedee before murray any day of any week if you want to mount the tall argument

but doedee and worrell can play on smalls so I wouldn't worry

 

[Mutineer]

Has Pedlar shown glimpses? Hasn't really shown anything at AFL level (admittedly has only played 5 games) over 2 years.

Played 14 games at SANFL level averaging 14 touches and a goal in 2022. I understand many on here rate him massively, but is it more hope than reality?

Simple answer NO.

 

[AFC979810]

Simple answer NO.

Could have answered it better with a smiley face.

 

[Golumless]

Has Pedlar shown glimpses? Hasn't really shown anything at AFL level (admittedly has only played 5 games) over 2 years.

Played 14 games at SANFL level averaging 14 touches and a goal in 2022. I understand many on here rate him massively, but is it more hope than reality?

Pedlar spent a lot of time at half forward in 2022, probably owing to injury issues though to explain those numbers. That said, he's a genuine highlight reel player, and hopefully this season he stays fit enough to work out the rest. Much like Rankine (and probably Rachele), this lad is a genuine matchwinner.

 

[1970crow]

Having murphy mchenry sholl parnell over doedee is just idiotic sorry

clearly he snubbed you at autograph signing

He’s only actually selected Worrell over Doedee.

 

[1970crow]

LEAGUE

FF: Rankine - Thilthorpe - Fogarty
HF: Rachele - Walker - Sloane

C: Dawson - Berry - Soligo
R: O’Brien - Laird - Keays

HB: Smith - Worrell - Milera
B: Doedee - Butts - Jones

Int: Pedlar - McAdam - Schoenberg - Taylor (Murray)


RESERVES

F: Newchurch - Gollant - Murphy
HF: Cook - Himmelberg - Nankervis

C: Hinge - Hately - Sholl
R: Strachan - Crouch - McHenry

HB: Hamill - Madgen - McPherson
B: Parnell - Borlase - Michelanney

Int: Seedsman/LTI - Dowling - Bond - *McAsey

Not bad, but I’d rather see Ned get another year at half forward and around the ball than waste it on Sloane. But I agree that once in, he’s definitely ahead of those 2. Only way that isn’t the case is if he doesn’t make round 1 and then has to start in the 2s.

 

[1970crow]

Simple answer NO.

Correct answer YES.