Round 12 Vs St Kilda - Selector's Table

[Shemp 54]

I thought Picken was ok and 4th best player on the Dogs' site. I guess he always looks like he's going in hard tho he didn't get that much of it w 14 possies

 

[5 Bucks]

Daniel Cross gets away with murder on this board and why is it due to the fact that he is

" HARD AT THE BALL "

He has been well down in form sice round 1 and if Eade is going to make a statement to the senior group then he should be droped this week


In :Libba Out: Cross

You should never post on this board again. Not until your brain functions properly anyway.

 

[fred cook]

You should never post on this board again. Not until your brain functions properly anyway.

Oh no you cant touch the Cross Just the norms Hill, Guido, Higgins, Grant, etc

I said it at the end of last year and I will say it again we should have traded Cross
Everyone knows that Boyd ,Libba jnr , Wallis Jnr, and Cross are all the same type of player and you know what that is why D Cross has not played one great game this year. His spot has has being taken over by the above players and he cant play any other rule then in and under midfielder

He dosent kick goals
He dosent damage by foot
He rarely hits targets

His a great in and under midfield player and might do well at another club but I think his time could be up at the Bulldogs now that Libba and Wallis are in our side

I hope I am wrong

 

[joel_billo]

out: hill williams djerkurra grant

in: cordy/roughead dalhaus cooney markovic

 

[rockbottom]

Oh no you cant touch the Cross Just the norms Hill, Guido, Higgins, Grant, etc

I said it at the end of last year and I will say it again we should have traded Cross
Everyone knows that Boyd ,Libba jnr , Wallis Jnr, and Cross are all the same type of player and you know what that is why D Cross has not played one great game this year. His spot has has being taken over by the above players and he cant play any other rule then in and under midfielder

He dosent kick goals
He dosent damage by foot
He rarely hits targets

His a great in and under midfield player and might do well at another club but I think his time could be up at the Bulldogs now that Libba and Wallis are in our side

I hope I am wrong

To repeat what stefoid posted last week.

You're wrong.

"Consider that cross is 2nd in 'scoring involvements' and 'playmaker', 1st in tackles and 4th in 1%ers, 3rd in overall disposals."

Dropping Cross would be a mistake.

Outs: Hill, Williams, Grant, Higgins, Mulligan
Ins: Libba, Cooney, Skinner, Markovic, Cordy if fit or Schofield

 

[Unnamed1]

"Consider that cross is 2nd in 'scoring involvements' and 'playmaker', 1st in tackles and 4th in 1%ers, 3rd in overall disposals."

While I don't doubt that this is true, I think it's a damning indictment on our team..

 

[lachy]

I find it staggering the amount of people calling for Mulligan to be dropped as he is not ready yet, then calling for Cordy, Dalhause et ell to be brought in.

Not ready yet would include all debutants for the last 2 years as none of them have shwon consistent form over games, the closest being Liberatore.

We call for heads then after 1 game we go back to picking the 'best' side. BF really does have alot of people who can articulate a strong argument doesn't it. I sam one had Gilbee back in, those solid 9 possies for Williamstown were really worth 30 obviously.

FWIW Mulligan actually played a solid game down back, particularly considering the ease the ball was flowing into the forward line. JPod did kick a couple on hime early but by the end of the game only had 14 possies which given the cts played through him around 30% of the time was a good first up performance. At the very least he should be given 3 to 4 games to develop, then reviewed for whether he is developing enough to maintain his spot.

There is a fine line to have too many younger players playing for the damage it can do to their developing bodies.

The outs should be on form and effort. Therefore, this week the outs:
Hill
Lake
Hargrave
Grant
Williams

Those who could also be outs but are more under notice:
Higgins
Wallis (purely not to wear him out, him and Libba swapping at the momnet is not too bad of a thing)
Cross has been out of form for a while
Sherman
Dj
Picken

Ins for this week
Cooney
Vespremi
Roughhead
Markovic
Dalhaus elevated from the rookie list

 

[rockbottom]

I find it staggering the amount of people calling for Mulligan to be dropped as he is not ready yet, then calling for Cordy, Dalhause et ell to be brought in.

Not ready yet would include all debutants for the last 2 years as none of them have shwon consistent form over games, the closest being Liberatore.

We call for heads then after 1 game we go back to picking the 'best' side. BF really does have alot of people who can articulate a strong argument doesn't it. I sam one had Gilbee back in, those solid 9 possies for Williamstown were really worth 30 obviously.

FWIW Mulligan actually played a solid game down back, particularly considering the ease the ball was flowing into the forward line. JPod did kick a couple on hime early but by the end of the game only had 14 possies which given the cts played through him around 30% of the time was a good first up performance. At the very least he should be given 3 to 4 games to develop, then reviewed for whether he is developing enough to maintain his spot.

There is a fine line to have too many younger players playing for the damage it can do to their developing bodies.

The outs should be on form and effort. Therefore, this week the outs:
Hill
Lake
Hargrave
Grant
Williams

Those who could also be outs but are more under notice:
Higgins
Wallis (purely not to wear him out, him and Libba swapping at the momnet is not too bad of a thing)
Cross has been out of form for a while
Sherman
Dj
Picken

Ins for this week
Cooney
Vespremi
Roughhead
Markovic
Dalhaus elevated from the rookie list

Generally, pretty well said and I like your ins.

But the issue with Lake is that I don't think he'll ever improve playing for Willi. I think you've almost got to try playing him in to form in the seniors.

Especially if the trade rumors are true. Need to try and get his currency back up.

 

[Becc73]

Hi guys,

Any injury problems with Bob Murphy? He was very quiet in the second half...

 

[Bodicifer]

Ins: Hudson, Gilbee, Cooney, Libba
Outs: Shaggy (he'll get a week), Hill, Grant, Mulligan

 

[Bodicifer]

Hi guys,

Any injury problems with Bob Murphy? He was very quiet in the second half...

Not sure Becc73...I didn't hear anything but he has been going at it pretty hard for a fair while now Murph so it wouldn't surprise me if he has a niggle. The game was over so he may have been told to take it easy. I hope he's OK anyway, he's one of very few shining lights.

 

[More Bulldog]

I find it staggering the amount of people calling for Mulligan to be dropped as he is not ready yet, then calling for Cordy, Dalhause et ell to be brought in.

My issue with Mulligan is that he seems like a blonk. Translation, big body and athletic but doesn't read the game all that well. I hope I'm wrong, but we need more players in the Sam Fisher mold and less in the Paul Gow mould.

 

[nicko77]

Bob Murphy was played down forward for most of the third quarter with Brian Lake. Given that we had 16 players in the defensive half of the field for almost the entire quarter you can see why he might have seemed 'quiet' in the second half. He did return to defence late in the quarter and the final term, when the balance of play was a lot more slanted in our favour.

I thought Williams actually stiffened up the defence a lot in the second half. Hopefully his efforts in the ruck finally confirmed to Rocket he cannot play ruck. Hill looks a very frustrated man. He spent nearly the entire first half playing deep in attack, he actually set up a couple of nice opportunities in that quarter. Just not in the play enough The effort standing the mark was not good body language, but I'd argue it was a lot less worse than the failure to attack the ball in the last 10 mins of complete ineptitude at the end of the second quarter. It's one thing to be outclassed, another thing to stop attacking the ball and chasing your man running forward. Disgraceful.

Higgins I thought at least worked a lot harder at getting to contests and got a few good touches off half back in the third quarter and there were some signs it's starting to turn for him. He needs a run of games and the performances will show. At least he uses the football well.

Cross is a concern for me, he goes in hard, but he's struggling to get to contests and looks a bit out of sorts. Picken was decent and chasing the tails of some pretty awesome footballers all afternoon. At least he attacks the ball and breaks open packs. Poor Minno was up against it. I thought he actually worked hard in the ruck and was ok, but got hurt when Ottens pushed forward.

Hargrave and Lake awful. Lake has to play forward and attack the ball. At least that way (playing forward) he has to come and meet the ball, he can't stand back on the last line of defence. Libba and Cooney should be back. Possibly Hudson and Veszpremi in as well. I'd leave Lake forward and play Mulligan, Williams and Morris in defence.

Grant's got to go back and sort himself out, just his head is not with it. Hill, Sherman, Hargrave struggling, possibly Wallis might need another run in the VFL as well. Jones wasn't very good this weekend either, got to get to more contests.

Ins: Cooney, Libba, Vezspremi, Hudson
Outs: Any of Hargrave, Wallis, Grant, Sherman, Hill.

Sherman might get a reprieve, at least he's had some telling games earlier this year.

 

[rockbottom]

Well said nicko, think you're a bit harsh on Jones though. Think he's been doing very well with extremely limited opportunities.

After the Essendon game I was in love with Grant and wanted Jones gone.

How things have changed.

 

[Becc73]

Thanks for clarifying nicko. I didn't see the game (was following it on afl.com.au) so I wasn't sure why he hardly touched the ball in the second half.

Hopefully he'll ba back at HB (much better player in defence) next week. Good luck against the Saints this week. Hope you win! FWIW, I think one of Doggies and Saints will scrape into the 8 and play finals with Freo & Dons looking shakey. If there is such a thing as a 16 point game, it is this week!

PS hope Lake finds form soon, he's crucial to your structure IMHO. Even more important to your team than Hall when on song.

 

[StringyDog]

I find it staggering the amount of people calling for Mulligan to be dropped as he is not ready yet, then calling for Cordy, Dalhause et ell to be brought in.

Because he never will be, said it a hundred times, he is an athlete who doesn't have a clue how to play football, terrible rookie elevation and even more terrible to play him in seniors, the club looking for shortcuts for tall defenders instead of putting in the long time it takes to develop, big hole in list, Barlow is another shocking example.

 

[Ant_]

Hargrave will be available, only got a reprimand

 

[Jobe3votes]

Hi guys,

Any injury problems with Bob Murphy? He was very quiet in the second half...

might have to keep an eye on the news online, Murphy might be a late withdrawal before the game on the weekend

 

[TimC]

I suspect we are going into youth mode, so I think you will see the debuting of Tutt, Dahlhaus,Schofield, Vezpremi and Cordy over the course of the year.

The problem with this is having so much youth in the squad will make get an absoulete hidding weekly. So I think all these players will be eased into the squad, sometimes youth for youth.

Based on performances, we should be dropping the following players:

Hill, Grant, Djekura, Muligan, Lake, Hargrave, Djekura and Higgins. To a lesser extend Cross, Sherman and Williams. The problem with is that it leaves us with this as a side:

B: Wood,?,Picken
HB: ?,Morris,Murphy
C: Boyd,Howard,?
R: Minson, Griffen, Ward
HF: Gia, ?, ?
F: ?,Jones ,?
Int: Wallis

Bringing young players into the squad, we would have this:

B: Wood,Markovic,Picken
HB: Howard,Morris,Murphy
C: Boyd,Liberatore, Cooney
R: Minson, Griffen, Ward
HF: Gia, Jones, Wallis
F: Vezpremi,Cordy, Hooper
Int: Roughead, Tutt, Dahlhaus, Schofield

I have bolded the experienced players and italisied the semi-experienced players.

I expect a horrible belting if we field that side. Not making a case for certain players or not but it's just a sad state of affairs that we can't drop the players who deserved to be dropped, it's always bad when you start a revoloving door policy.

 

[G-Mo77]

might have to keep an eye on the news online, Murphy might be a late withdrawal before the game on the weekend

OK, I'll bite. Where did you hear that? I'm not saying your full of it, just interested.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Wallis (purely not to wear him out, him and Libba swapping at the momnet is not too bad of a thing)

I am thinking that rotating the sub position between Wallis,
Libba and Howard (plus any other pup who comes in) would be a good way of getting games into them and providing a "rest" every few weeks.

 

[Total Muppet]

I will have a stab at it.

I see no way out of the mess we are in for season 2011. So, those not a part of our 2012 assault, should be swiped aside immediately.

So, bye bye Mr Cross, Mr Williams, Mr Hill, Mr Grant and Mr Mulligan

Hello Cooney, Liberatore, Vezspremi, Markovich and Roughead.

The side now looks youthful and free of some serious dead wood...

B: Hargrave Markovich Wood
HB Wallis Morris Murphy
C Sherman Ward Boyd
HF Giansiracusa Roughead Higgins
F Veszpremi Lake Jones
Foll Minson Cooney Griffen
Int Liberatore Picken Howard Djerrkurra

 

[Total Muppet]

I suspect we are going into youth mode, so I think you will see the debuting of Tutt, Dahlhaus,Schofield, Vezpremi and Cordy over the course of the year.

The problem with this is having so much youth in the squad will make get an absoulete hidding weekly. So I think all these players will be eased into the squad, sometimes youth for youth.

Based on performances, we should be dropping the following players:

Hill, Grant, Djekura, Muligan, Lake, Hargrave, Djekura and Higgins. To a lesser extend Cross, Sherman and Williams. The problem with is that it leaves us with this as a side:

B: Wood,?,Picken
HB: ?,Morris,Murphy
C: Boyd,Howard,?
R: Minson, Griffen, Ward
HF: Gia, ?, ?
F: ?,Jones ,?
Int: Wallis

Bringing young players into the squad, we would have this:

B: Wood,Markovic,Picken
HB: Howard,Morris,Murphy
C: Boyd,Liberatore, Cooney
R: Minson, Griffen, Ward
HF: Gia, Jones, Wallis
F: Vezpremi,Cordy, Hooper
Int: Roughead, Tutt, Dahlhaus, Schofield

I have bolded the experienced players and italisied the semi-experienced players.

I expect a horrible belting if we field that side. Not making a case for certain players or not but it's just a sad state of affairs that we can't drop the players who deserved to be dropped, it's always bad when you start a revoloving door policy.

Crazy talk. You want to tottally decimate our forward line, when our mids and half backs have not given them any service all year?

 

[Shemp 54]

Crazy talk. You want to tottally decimate our forward line, when our mids and half backs have not given them any service all year?

Fair point about the service but would it be 'totally decimated' without your inclusions -

Lake - only played there a quarter or so
Roughy - same?
Higgins - everyone wants to drop him

 

[TimC]

Crazy talk. You want to tottally decimate our forward line, when our mids and half backs have not given them any service all year?

Maybe I am misinterpreting your post, and sorry if I am, but I was only trying to bring up the point that it would be good to be able to drop all these out of form players but we just can't. I am not actually suggesting the side I listed above.