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The more it happens the more it's going to live rent free in the boys heads.
Review Round 13 - St. Kilda @ Marvel Stadium - 8th June 2024 - 7:30pm AEST
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The more it happens the more it's going to live rent free in the boys heads.
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Yeah didn’t want to admit it before but the monkey is well and truly on our back now
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Youse were robbed. My guess is the ump got the call through his earpiece. Blatant cheating IMO. Cant blame the field Ump. Hes stressed after running 2.5 hours, and in a tight game. Gets a call in his ear and does what hes told.
Baby steps fellas. This year Suns have turned their home field into a fortress. Havent lost this year there? Thats big progress. Have been in the 8 (until tonight) and will be again. More progress. Youve played some seriously good footy this year, have a great coach, some great kids getting experience and even more coming through.
Id love to see a bit of 'hollywood' star power enter the picture Next year. Dustin Martin will be the same age that GAJ was when he left the suns and went back to Geelong. Gaj went on for 3 more seasons and finished in a GF. Dusty still has as much left in the tank as Gaz did at the same age, (minus the knee and shoulder). May be a pipe dream, but i hope it happens for the promotional aspect he will provide for the Suns at the very least. Dusty proved a couple of weeks ago he still has something to offer.
Anyway, i recon you are on track. Perhaps a bit of frustration right now, but from the outside looking in, one can see the evolution happening. A very exciting future.
Baby steps fellas. This year Suns have turned their home field into a fortress. Havent lost this year there? Thats big progress. Have been in the 8 (until tonight) and will be again. More progress. Youve played some seriously good footy this year, have a great coach, some great kids getting experience and even more coming through.
Id love to see a bit of 'hollywood' star power enter the picture Next year. Dustin Martin will be the same age that GAJ was when he left the suns and went back to Geelong. Gaj went on for 3 more seasons and finished in a GF. Dusty still has as much left in the tank as Gaz did at the same age, (minus the knee and shoulder). May be a pipe dream, but i hope it happens for the promotional aspect he will provide for the Suns at the very least. Dusty proved a couple of weeks ago he still has something to offer.
Anyway, i recon you are on track. Perhaps a bit of frustration right now, but from the outside looking in, one can see the evolution happening. A very exciting future.
I do love a good conspiracy theory
It's as simple as umpire preconditioning to only be aware of defenders infringing on forwards and maybe some subliminal desire to "inject" themselves into the excitement of a close game.The umpires would reject that but they are very very much just humans and the need to do that is real IMO despite best intentions
I would agree the next step for us is to attract an A+ free agent.The last one was GAJ
It's why that free was more than just a mistake.If we were going to win one on the road it was always going to be ugly dirty and tight and that was our chance to get the monkey off the back
I also think if the Club was serious about finals this year as (before Saturday) we should have been, to take a group of kids to Marvel and expect them to unlock Lyon's flooded defence based gameplan built on hairy shouldered old men doing a job -and-as Hardwick said in his presser-knowing full well that's what we were going to get then the question has to be asked of Dimmer and his selection team.It was the wrong team .We went in way too young and inexperienced for a really important match
Yes, I would say we failed badly our finals test in this game.
As for selection, I was wondering what line-up you would select. We are blessed with minimal injuries.
I would probably go with
Walter -> Casboult (Day was managed, Walter still great pressure but not much else)
Fiorini -> Ellis/Atkins (or possibly Ainsworth on the wing)
Holman -> Rosas (even though Rosas is still building in VFL)
Humphrey -> Davies (Humphrey was non-existent)
Berry -> Farrar (Berry dropped off significantly)
Would it make a difference? I doubt. It's on coaches if you can't bring the effort from the start.
We did start to gradually attack Saints in second half (especially last quarter) but to go into the game with that unbelievable conservative chipping sideways was terrible coaching strategy.
Midfield effort was again disappointing. Still very young except Miller but it's not like they faced a great midfield.
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I do love a good conspiracy theory
It's as simple as umpire preconditioning to only be aware of defenders infringing on forwards and maybe some subliminal desire to "inject" themselves into the excitement of a close game.The umpires would reject that but they are very very much just humans and the need to do that is real IMO despite best intentions
I would agree the next step for us is to attract an A+ free agent.The last one was GAJ
And they are less likely to do it in a big game in front of goal with a big Mebourne club involved. It can still happen, but they are more likely to blow the whistle in front of goal when it is two smaller clubs involved and the stakes 'feel' smaller.
I would be the same. It is as simple as thinking "call the obvious ones only, there are a lot of people watching". That is what I would be thinking, anyway. The call was well off the ball and both players were engaged, that is a call that is way less likely to be made if there are +75k at the MCG, or a full house at Marvel. Not clear enough to be worth the hassle.
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Damo and Lloydy not even mentioning the horrendous call which the afl umpiring boss has said was wrong which directly cost us our lead with 2 minutes to go, 100m off the ball. If Damo wants to push his own agendas let him do it on nine or triple m but spare me that rubbish on the afl website. Horrendous media representation and something i hope the club approaches the afl about
I do love a good conspiracy theory
It's as simple as umpire preconditioning to only be aware of defenders infringing on forwards and maybe some subliminal desire to "inject" themselves into the excitement of a close game.The umpires would reject that but they are very very much just humans and the need to do that is real IMO despite best intentions
I would agree the next step for us is to attract an A+ free agent.The last one was GAJ
Youse were still robbed...
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Weren’t robbed, we should never have been in a position where we let one bad call decide the result. We lost clearances, inside 50s and were outplayed.
It’s just frustrating that’s how the game ended.
It’s just frustrating that’s how the game ended.
Yeah but in the context of the mature ugly gameplan we were up against and the team we fielded the result was never going to be more than 12 points either way
At the end of the day but for 2 very dodgy umpiring decisions that gifted St Kilda goals we would have won
I think we win this if Powell was playing. We really missed his confidence to take on (and actually hit) those risky kicks into the centre/45 and break the game open. Just lacking elite ball users and/or confidence in our skills down back. I think Jeffrey can get there with more games and confidence, but it’s slim pickings behind him as far as skills go. Really need to go back to getting the ball in Will’s hands as much as possible when he is back like at the start of the season. 30 kicks for Powell is far more dangerous than 30 Flanders kicks from the weekend.
Well Powell comes in for Fiorini-not Ellis or Atkins
Casboult or Day for Walter yes
Rosas for Holman
I like Davies for Humphrey-hadn't considered that but good idea
I probably retain Berry
I've been watching The Suns for 15 years
Nothing good has ever come of sending kids on a man's mission
In this case the mission is travelling West to play Freo
The reason an army has reserves is to deploy them to shore up defensive positions and to allow troop rotations
We are lucky enough at the moment to have good injury free depth in the VFL
So I hope Dimmer acts more like a General than a Ringmaster this week
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Powell at his best will be a huge lift, but he has been well below his best this season before getting suspended
Of course we were robbed
That Saints were better team overall is a separate issue. Sometimes you win while you did not deserve it. To be honest I am more upset that nobody was on goal line during Ainsworth set shot.
Would anyone deny we were robbed v Melbourne at Metricon last year?Of course we were robbed
We were by far and away the better team that day but no-one except Suns fans who were there would know what was given and what was let go by the umpires with stars in their eyes for Petracca Gawn and Oliver
Still burns my guts-and no doubt Dew's whose guts are big enough to get the fire brigade involved
But the record books say Melbourne W and the casual observer would say-oh yeah ok
Same as Saturday
No-one outside our supporters is going to look at the 2024 ladder and see us just miss the 8 and say
"They were robbed"
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Let’s see where Powell plays. I doubt Dimma will put him on the wing. Powell was also well below his best this year. Weller at his best would be handy but that’s just a dream at the moment
It's the same issue we've had forever
Getting our development players to take the next step up to A+ game defining match winners
Because if we can't do that we dont attarct Big Fish and development naturally stalls
We have King Noah, Buzz and Mac Andrew potentially if not already A+
What we need is a group of A/Bs behind them
Collins Miller Flanders Powell Ballard maybe Ainsworth
But then it drops away big time
We need to show enough promise to attract top talent. If we flounder again after bye it will not happen. Collins is AA this year. I am way more optimistic about other players. Some just need a couple of pre-seasons and more games under belt - Uwland, Rogers, Rosas, Jeffrey, Johnston, Walter, Graham, Moyle, Clohesy. If Long continues like this he is more than valuable 22. Luko is fine too. Next year is the year. This season playing #1-2 youngest lineups with around 80 games played is indicative of Dimma’s plans. It will be a loaded lineup next year especially if we attract 1-2 quality players.
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I know little about what we need and what we don't need but most of the criticism I read when we don't win is either our mid field has been beaten and/or we are just bombing into the forward line. Will introducing something/someone new into the back line help with this?
I actually thought we tried not to bomb it in the game and looked for options.
The massive issue being the options were always sideways and never incisive and forward.
The massive issue being the options were always sideways and never incisive and forward.
You do realise that Lyon's flooding gameplan means the only way you can beat it is by kicking the ball over the flood before it sets
So long bombing
If you're too slow or don't take the first option or your defender is beating you then you are left with chipping it around until you make a mistake
Our kids just couldnt unlock it enough to score a lot of goals
They actually did unlock it enough to win but were whistled out of the victory by an overly officious umpire
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History will say that our side is just too young to compete at the moment, and to be fair we are exceeding what you would expect from a side so young. Dimma even conceeded in the last presser that we might be to young, the problem is the older guys aren't very good. Powell and witts definitely make us stronger, rosas needs to play even though he isn't killing it in the reserves and Weller would be a great addition if he comes back at the end of the year.
Oh 100%, we were way too slow moving it up the field. Sitting there live it was evident enough that they just got to the half way line and then just kicked it left and right, possession for possession sake, then St Kilda would just try to hit us on the counter.
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